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stsinner
08-03-2009, 10:16 PM
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.

1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport,

2) He traveled with a British passport, or

3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. However, instead of getting those answers — Obama, with absolute protection from those politicians taking away all of our rights in our best interest, is planning his next move as Chairmanship of his dream World Government — which is Communist like and Pro-Muslim. If you think we are a "Government of the People, For The People" — you are a dreamer.

On July 4th, 1776 — brave men signed the Declaration of Independence. In that Declaration, is the following:

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us.

They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity.

Are we as Brave as our Forefathers? Hardly! A little more than half are looking for Hope & Change where they get something for nothing. The rest are apathetic Sheeple who will stand by and allow their rights to be taken from them — and then cry when it is too late.

It is time replace a repressive government giving us (high) Taxation Without Representation — before this country is bankrupted into a full Dictatorship with Chairman Obama your ruler.
Link (http://unitedsocialiststatesofamerika.ning.com/)

Rockntractor
08-03-2009, 10:22 PM
It makes the debate over Obama's citizenship a rather short and simple one.

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?

A: Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?

A: There are only three possibilities.

1. He traveled with a U.S. Passport,

2) He traveled with a British passport, or

3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport. If he was traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he was traveling with an Indonesian passport that would prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.

Whatever the truth of the matter, the American people need to know how he managed to become a "natural born" American citizen between 1981 and 2008. Given the destructive nature of his plans for America, as illustrated by his speech

The American people not only deserve to have answers to these questions, they must have answers. However, instead of getting those answers — Obama, with absolute protection from those politicians taking away all of our rights in our best interest, is planning his next move as Chairmanship of his dream World Government — which is Communist like and Pro-Muslim. If you think we are a "Government of the People, For The People" — you are a dreamer.

On July 4th, 1776 — brave men signed the Declaration of Independence. In that Declaration, is the following:

That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to affect their safety and happiness.

…when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security.

We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us.

They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity.

Are we as Brave as our Forefathers? Hardly! A little more than half are looking for Hope & Change where they get something for nothing. The rest are apathetic Sheeple who will stand by and allow their rights to be taken from them — and then cry when it is too late.

It is time replace a repressive government giving us (high) Taxation Without Representation — before this country is bankrupted into a full Dictatorship with Chairman Obama your ruler.
Link (http://unitedsocialiststatesofamerika.ning.com/)

I am sure there will be someone here to defend him momentarily!

djones520
08-03-2009, 10:25 PM
I doubt it's as simple as this would make it. Just like when people where trying to argue that his mother wasn't old enough to grant him citizenship at his birth, they where citing a wrong rule (not to mention that the Kenyan birth certificate on this site says she was 18, but other sources have said she was 16).

AlmostThere
08-03-2009, 11:22 PM
Do you have an exact date of his travel? If legit I've seen a travel advisory dated 8/17/81 that seems to indicate that U.S. citizens could travel there.
http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/travel/cis/southasia/TA_Pakistan1981.pdf

Teetop
08-03-2009, 11:51 PM
A "no travel" list is just a warning, it doesn't mean a U.S. citizen cannot travel there anyways.

Travel Warnings are issued to describe long-term, protracted conditions that make a country dangerous or unstable. A Travel Warning is also issued when the U.S. Government's ability to assist American citizens is constrained due to the closure of an embassy or consulate or because of a drawdown of its staff. (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html)

djones520
08-04-2009, 12:07 AM
Yeah, like I thought. A lot more to the story then it was letting on. This is why "Birthers" are getting laughed at. Their establishing these absolutes on half assed research.

Teetop
08-04-2009, 12:11 AM
Yeah, like I thought. A lot more to the story then it was letting on. This is why "Birthers" are getting laughed at. Their establishing these absolutes on half assed research.

I have never heard of a "no travel list" in all of my 47 years, I have heard of a "travel warning/advisory list" though.

PoliCon
08-04-2009, 12:17 AM
Yeah, like I thought. A lot more to the story then it was letting on. This is why "Birthers" are getting laughed at. Their establishing these absolutes on half assed research.

yup.

Rockntractor
08-04-2009, 12:20 AM
Yeah, like I thought. A lot more to the story then it was letting on. This is why "Birthers" are getting laughed at. Their establishing these absolutes on half assed research.
The more it goes on though the more curious I get as to why the white house doesn't stop it!

PoliCon
08-04-2009, 12:42 AM
The more it goes on though the more curious I get as to why the white house doesn't stop it!

because most people see this as a kook fringe issue.

Adam Wood
08-04-2009, 07:29 AM
Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?

A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. State Department's "no travel" list in 1981.
False conclusion. People go to places where they're officially not supposed to every day. Americans go to Cuba every day without State Department authorization. During the travel embargo, lots of Americans still visited Lybia.

Just because the State Department had an official stance of "don't go" doesn't mean that it's impossible.

linda22003
08-04-2009, 08:27 AM
During the travel embargo, lots of Americans still visited Lybia.



I doubt any Americans went there. They might have gone to Libya, though.

Adam Wood
08-04-2009, 08:34 AM
I doubt any Americans went there. They might have gone to Libya, though.

Heh. Busted. :o

stsinner
08-04-2009, 09:05 AM
I read that Pakistan has never been on a "no-travel" list and that the only country where a U.S. passport is not valid is Cuba.

Adam Wood
08-04-2009, 09:35 AM
I read that Pakistan has never been on a "no-travel" list and that the only country where a U.S. passport is not valid is Cuba.Your passport is valid in Cuba. Cuban officials will certainly recognize your US citizenship. But the State Department (and the Treasury) require a "reason" to travel there legally, and you have to account for every penny you spend there, not to exceed $100/day. If you don't get this clearance, and you get caught (like Michael Moore did), then you're going to have some questions to answer, and they'll probably hit you with a fine. Technically, they can jail you, but I don't think I've ever heard of that happening to anyone.

Many people travel there illegally simply by going to Jamaica or Mexico or Canada and then taking a flight to Havana from there. People arriving in Cuba can ask that their US passport not be stamped, and the Cuban officials will oblige. Your Visa card, though, does not work in Cuba. Pretty much cash only. If you run out of money or get into trouble down there, you're in some seriously deep shit. I charge a LOT of money to exfiltrate people from Cuba when they get drunk and lose all their money.


After the Lockerbie bombing of Pan Am 103, the US and Britain imposed a strict travel embargo on Libya. Going there as a US citizen was a strict no-no. People still found ways around it, of course. I think that there was a travel embargo on Iran during and after the hostage crisis, but I'm not dead certain on that. Who the hell wanted to go there at that time anyway?

I'm uncertain of any travel embargo ever imposed on Pakistan. In 1981, the US was working (albeit covertly) with Pakistan and Afghanistan to fund the Afghan fight against the Soviet invasion. It seems a bit out of place to me for there to have been the kind of travel embargo on Pakistan during that time like we had with Libya and have with Cuba. I have little doubt, though, that State had some pretty harsh warnings in place for travel to the region at the time; it was, after all, a war zone, and rather politically unstable (what else is new?).

patriot45
08-04-2009, 09:55 AM
It does not matter any questions you can raise about the 0. He as a liberal dem and is held to a different standard than any conservative R. The MSM would have made sure legal proof was shown for any conservative. We just have to eat what they feed us!
The funny part of it is that we get maginalized for even asking for the slightest proof, and then so called conservatives hurry up and side with the libs about how kooky we are. Love it!

PoliCon
08-04-2009, 11:05 AM
It does not matter any questions you can raise about the 0. He as a liberal dem and is held to a different standard than any conservative R. The MSM would have made sure legal proof was shown for any conservative. We just have to eat what they feed us!
The funny part of it is that we get maginalized for even asking for the slightest proof, and then so called conservatives hurry up and side with the libs about how kooky we are. Love it!

If the tinfoil hat fits. . . . :p

linda22003
08-04-2009, 11:07 AM
It does not matter any questions you can raise about the 0. He as a liberal dem and is held to a different standard than any conservative R. The MSM would have made sure legal proof was shown for any conservative.

I've never seen public display of birth certificates demanded for any candidate of any political ideology.

patriot45
08-04-2009, 11:14 AM
I've never seen public display of birth certificates demanded for any candidate of any political ideology.

I guess you missed this!

McCain (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html)

Again (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/dobbs_right_obama_birth/2009/08/03/243134.html)

stsinner
08-04-2009, 11:35 AM
I've never seen public display of birth certificates demanded for any candidate of any political ideology.

What a dumb statement. We've never had a president that lived and schooled in a Muslim country, had a Muslim father and then step-father, who's been photographed in traditional Muslim dress, who's said that America is not a Christian country, who attended an anti-American, anti-white church for 20 years and only walked away when it hurt his political chances, who chose to travel to Pakistan of all places after college, who apologizes for America being America and Americans being Americans, and on and on...

The reasons for the suspicions are many, unlike any other president in history who all grew up in America and served their entire lives in government.

That's a very lazy argument.


I've never seen another president who had a Ivy League education with no visible means of income.. Hmm....

linda22003
08-04-2009, 11:38 AM
I guess you missed this!

McCain (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/01/AR2008050103224.html)

Again (http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/dobbs_right_obama_birth/2009/08/03/243134.html)

Oh, I know that a decision had to be made about the Panama (military) birth, but he didn't have to dangle the certificate from a balcony like a Michael Jackson baby.

linda22003
08-04-2009, 11:39 AM
Get used to it, StSinner. We're from a more diverse cultural background all the time.

Adam Wood
08-04-2009, 11:40 AM
Oh, I know that a decision had to be made about the Panama (military) birth, but he didn't have to dangle the certificate from a balcony like a Michael Jackson baby.LOL!

stsinner
08-04-2009, 01:14 PM
Get used to it, StSinner. We're from a more diverse cultural background all the time.

Go ahead, Linda, keep trying to derail the discussions by making them about race.. This issue is about loyalty to the country.. What reason would Obama have to travel to Pakistan? Both his father and step-father were Muslims,and I don't know if you've been following the news, but some within the Muslim faith have called for the outright destruction of America.

I'm not implying that Obama is a Muslim, although I have my suspicions, but just where does his loyalty lie? He bashes America every chance he gets, bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia, he's said that Americans are, "Basically good, basically sound.." He apologizes for America while abroad, he's trying to reshape the country into a country that our forefather wouldn't recognize.. He leaves a whole lot to be desired in the loyalty department...

linda22003
08-04-2009, 01:34 PM
You're questioning loyalty based on where people have traveled? I know people who have traveled back and forth to Pakistan, India, Indonesia, and other countries that are off the normal tourist track.

I've even been to FRANCE. And what's even worse, I'm planning my next trip there right now!

PoliCon
08-04-2009, 09:00 PM
You're questioning loyalty based on where people have traveled? I know people who have traveled back and forth to Pakistan, India, Indonesia, and other countries that are off the normal tourist track.

I've even been to FRANCE. And what's even worse, I'm planning my next trip there right now!

TRAITOR!:p

I've lived in Kenya . . . and Ireland . . . . and Israel . . .

Crystal Wizard
08-04-2009, 09:50 PM
TRAITOR!:p

I've lived in Kenya . . . and Ireland . . . . and Israel . . .

And I've lived in London, Hong Kong, Nice, Riyadh, Sarajevo, Jubail, DC, Jacksonville, NYC, Philly, McLean, and (for my sins) Hartford. I am living the fictional life of Dick Diver.

And, after all that, I still think this thread reflects the worst face of the Right (comparable to the "BFEE destroyed the WTC' face of the left).

PoliCon
08-04-2009, 10:07 PM
And I've lived in London, Hong Kong, Nice, Riyadh, Sarajevo, Jubail, DC, Jacksonville, NYC, Philly, McLean, and (for my sins) Hartford. I am living the fictional life of Dick Diver.

And, after all that, I still think this thread reflects the worst face of the Right (comparable to the "BFEE destroyed the WTC' face of the left).

Did someone hear a donkey braying? :rolleyes:

Crystal Wizard
08-04-2009, 10:16 PM
Did someone hear a donkey braying? :rolleyes:

Hard to tell over the slum-dwelling, white trash cacophony.

BadCat
08-04-2009, 10:18 PM
Hard to tell over the slum-dwelling, white trash cacophony.

Slum dwelling white trash?

Rockntractor
08-04-2009, 10:20 PM
Did someone hear a donkey braying? :rolleyes:
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/rabiddonkeysontheloose.gif?t=1249438798

Crystal Wizard
08-04-2009, 10:25 PM
Slum dwelling white trash?

Yeah, that pretty much describes the poster WHO ATTACKED ME. I'm simply curious if he's comfortable with the fact that his family has to dwell in the state that they are in (as he's described several times here) simply because of HIS lack of ability to support them in the manner to which they aspire.

patriot45
08-04-2009, 10:31 PM
Yeah, that pretty much describes the poster WHO ATTACKED ME. I'm simply curious if he's comfortable with the fact that his family has to dwell in the state that they are in (as he's described several times here) simply because of HIS lack of ability to support them in the manner to which they aspire.

All he did was call you an ass! Some attack.:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
08-04-2009, 10:33 PM
Yeah, that pretty much describes the poster WHO ATTACKED ME. I'm simply curious if he's comfortable with the fact that his family has to dwell in the state that they are in (as he's described several times here) simply because of HIS lack of ability to support them in the manner to which they aspire.

What state are you in?

stsinner
08-04-2009, 10:36 PM
What state are you in?

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/brassmonkey71/rofllg.gif

Crystal Wizard
08-04-2009, 10:44 PM
What state are you in?

What state am I in? NY
What state do I live in? CT
What state was I born in? FL
What state(s) have I lived in (other than the above)? PA, DC (yeah, I know), CA, VA
What states would I kill myself before living in? GA, AL, MS (is that a state or a disease?), LA, OK, TX, ...

stsinner
08-04-2009, 10:46 PM
What state am I in? NY
What state do I live in? CT
What state was I born in? FL
What state(s) have I lived in (other than the above)? PA, DC (yeah, I know), CA, VA
What states would I kill myself before living in? GA, AL, MS (is that a state or a disease?), LA, OK, TX, ...

There are many more countries that would be more welcoming to your train of thought...

Crystal Wizard
08-04-2009, 10:49 PM
There are many more countries that would be more welcoming to your train of thought...

And the most compatible country to your views would seem to be Saudi Arabia. All you need to do is change Allah to Yahweh and it would seem you would be entirely sympathetic with the rest.

PoliCon
08-04-2009, 11:03 PM
I keep hearing this continued braying . . . .

Yes he is CT. And he likes to pay for whores. And he's a typical elitist. And he blogs about this place. :rolleyes:

Jfor
08-04-2009, 11:27 PM
What state am I in? NY
What state do I live in? CT
What state was I born in? FL
What state(s) have I lived in (other than the above)? PA, DC (yeah, I know), CA, VA
What states would I kill myself before living in? GA, AL, MS (is that a state or a disease?), LA, OK, TX, ...

We down here in the South would welcome you to kill yourself before moving to these great states.

Crystal Wizard
08-05-2009, 07:13 AM
We down here in the South would welcome you to kill yourself before moving to these great states.

No, but thanks. I think I'll simply pass on those states. If you look at various government statistics, you'll find that those "great states" are among the leaders/laggers, i.e., on the "bad" end, of (a) obesity, (2) education, (3) income, and (4) infant mortality.

linda22003
08-05-2009, 08:01 AM
you'll find that those "great states" are among the leaders/laggers, i.e., on the "bad" end, of (a) obesity, (2) education, (3) income, and (4) infant mortality.

1) is under your individual control.
2) is their problem, as long as you obtained yours elsewhere
3) yours will go a lot farther in some of these states (as long as you earn a decent amount elsewhere)
4) can't affect you personally. :)

Crystal Wizard
08-05-2009, 08:08 AM
...
4) can't affect you personally. :)

Oh, I don't know. For a man, it's never too late. :D