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stsinner
08-06-2009, 05:26 PM
And I urge all of you to turn yourselves in, as well.. I wrote to flag@whitehouse.gov and snitched on myself at the government's urging.

Here's the email (I did sign my real name and town):

Greetings,

I want to report an insidious website spreading misinformation about the Obama Socialized Medicine plan! The site is http://www.whitehouse.gov. You guys really need to watch this site, as they are telling lie after lie and doctoring facts and trying to convince people that the new Government Health Care System won't be wasteful, poorly managed, bloated and full of bureaucratic red tape, when what we're going to get is the compassion of the IRS, the intelligence and speed of the Bureau of Motor Vehicles and the Industriousness of the Post Office.

This is one of the most un-American assaults on the freedom of this country, and we are going to do all we can to stop it. The bill is worded so coyly and in such a way that the layman can't even understand the it well enough to know they are being duped. This is a brilliant attempt to confuse people and try to convince the government that it has their best interests in mind. It is nothing more than a power and money grab of monumental proportions that will reshape America's future in a very bad way.. You are preying on the desperate and the elderly and the illegal immigrants while sticking it, as usual, to the middle class. You're outright lying to people by using convoluted wording and arguments when you say that private health care won't be eliminated. Sorry, but that video has been leaked-you know the one where Obama says that he /wants/ a single payer health care system..
The only way to cut costs in health care is to deny care. The government has already proved that they don't care about the cost of health care by denying many generic drugs from foreign countries to enter our market, caving to the power pharmaceutical lobby.

Why is it that you people can't learn from the train wrecks that the Canadian, British and French health care systems are? Why does America seem incapable of learning from the mistakes of other nations and has to make the mistakes for ourselves to see that it really is what it appears to be in other countries? You think that the only reason this system that is not good anywhere that it is in practice is because we brilliant Americans haven't shown them the way? How reckless and arrogant.

Why would a doctor go on to do the extra years of schooling to be a heart surgeon if the government is going to set the prices for their procedures? This will drive good doctors out of the profession or out of the country, and it will cause the rich to pay private physicians to see them while the rest of the populace waits in line behind illegal immigrants and the poor.

Here's what I don't like about the health care bill:

* PG 22: Mandates that the federal government will audit books of all employers who self insure
* PG 30, Sec 123: Establishes a government committee that decides what treatments/benefits you get.
* PG 29, Lines 4-16: Directly rations health care for the elderly.
* PG 42: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your benefits for you.
* PG 50, Section 152: Extends benefits and coverage to illegal immigrants.
* PG 58: The creation of a national ID health card and a comprehensive federal database containing streaming data on every American's personal financial records.
* PG 59: The federal government accesses your bank accounts for mandatory funds transfers.
* PG 65, Sec 164: Creates special, federally-subsidized coverage for Unions and "Community Organizing" groups.
* PG 84 Sec 203 HC bill - Dictates the benefits packages of all private health insurance plans.
* PG 85, Line 7: Limits what private insurers can offer (rationed care).

* PG 91, Lines 4-7: Mandates that health care providers pay for interpreters for illegal immigrants.

* Pg 95, Lines 8-18: The mandatory use of ACORN and Americorps for signing up Americans to government insurance.
* PG 85, Line 7: Imposes more limits on coverage (rationing).
* PG 102, Lines 12-18: Mandates Medicare for all who fit criteria (removes all choice).

* PG 124, Lines 24-25: Bans companies from suing the federal government, bans the entire judicial system from hearing any cases on the legitimacy of this blatantly unconstitutional socialist health care takeover (no judicial review allowed whatsoever).

* PG 127, Lines 1-16: Instructs doctors/AMA on what salaries they are allowed to make.
* PG 145, Line 15-17: Requires all employers to enroll all new employees in the government system (no choice whatsoever).
* PG 126, Lines 22-25: Requires employers to independently provide insurance for part-time workers, whether they can afford it or not (no choice).
* PG 149, Lines 16-24: Imposes an 8% payroll tax penalty for any employer (making over $400k) who fails to force his employees onto government insurance.
* PG 150, Lines 9-13: Employers making between $251k and $400k pay 2-6% penalty.
* PG 167, Lines 18-23: Imposes 2.5% income tax penalty on any privately-insured individual who fails to get "adequate" private insurance.

* PG 170, Lines 1-3: Stipulates that all non-resident aliens pay nothing (we foot the bill).

* PG 195: Federal officers will have full access to every citizen's most private records.

* Pg 239, Line 14-24: Rations Medicaid services for low-income Seniors.

* Pg 241, Line 6-8: Mandates that all doctors be paid the same, regardless of specialty.

* PG 253, Line 10-18: Imposes federally-determined price tag for the worth of every doctor's time and services.
* PG 265, Sec 1131: Imposes controls on productivity for private health care companies.
* PG 268, Sec 1141: Imposes regulations on rental & purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

* PG 272, SeC. 1145: Cancer treatment rationing.

* PG 280, Sec 1151: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for "preventable" visits.
* PG 298, Lines 9-11: Imposes penalties and fines on private hospitals for readmissions after initial treatment (fix it on the first try or suffer the consequences).

* PG 317, Lines 13-20: Prohibits doctors from purchasing or investing in medical care facilities.

* PG 321, Line 2-13: Pretends to give hospitals the choice to go fully-federal, but only if local "community" groups (ACORN) approve.
* PG 335, Line 16-25, Pg 336-339: Imposes more rationing of services.
* PG 341, Lines 3-9: Creates the federal power to arbitrarily disqualify HMOs, forcing people onto government care at random.

* PG 354, Sec 1177 - Rationing of care for special needs people.

* PG 379, Sec 1191: Creates new Telehealth bureaucracy (nanny state health care by phone).
* PG 425, Lines 4-12: Creates mandatory end of life consultation.
* PG 425, Lines 17-19: Mandatory government instruction and consultation on living wills, durable power of attorney, etc.

* PG 429, Lines 10-12: Empowers the federal government to order end-of-life plans through something called, "advanced care consultation."

* Pg 429, Lines 13-25: Puts the federal government in charge of which doctors can write an end of life order.

* PG 430, Lines 11-15: Puts the federal government in complete control of what care you receive at the end of your life.


No politician that votes for this bill will have my vote. And when you've got idiots like Pelosi saying that the people speaking out against this bill at town hall meetings must be planted because they're dressed too nice, you really have sunk to a new low.. She and Barbara Boxer and Maxine Waters really make you look foolish.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 05:32 PM
I admire your email my friend, but that is going to put you on some government lists you probably don't want to be on.

enslaved1
08-06-2009, 06:25 PM
I admire your email my friend, but that is going to put you on some government lists you probably don't want to be on.

As the folks at 2600 often comment, if there is a list, the bigger it gets, the less useful it is.

djones520
08-06-2009, 06:27 PM
Judge Napolitano was just on Beck reading the US Code that strictly made this whole thing their trying to do illegal. I got a kick out of that.

stsinner
08-06-2009, 06:33 PM
Judge Napolitano was just on Beck reading the US Code that strictly made this whole thing their trying to do illegal. I got a kick out of that.

Laws? What's that? Laws only apply to regular citizens. Government and crimigrants are, evidently, exempt.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 06:34 PM
Judge Napolitano was just on Beck reading the US Code that strictly made this whole thing their trying to do illegal. I got a kick out of that.

Since when has the word "illegal" ever meant anything to a politician?

Jade
08-06-2009, 06:36 PM
stsinner, I thought you were deranged and dangerous before, but thanks to YOU, the government might see fit to protect someone like me from YOU! Good going!

BadCat
08-06-2009, 06:38 PM
stsinner, I thought you were deranged and dangerous before, but thanks to YOU, the governement might see fit to protect someone like me from YOU! Good going!

Do you NEED protection, DC?

Jade
08-06-2009, 06:39 PM
I admire your email my friend, but that is going to put you on some government lists you probably don't want to be on.

And some govt list I SURE want him on. This guy is scary, in case you had not noticed!

Jade
08-06-2009, 06:41 PM
Do you NEED protection, DC?

No, but I tell you this much. A couple of his posts were all I knew I needed to know that this guy is unhinged. IF the govt pegs him, trust me, there IS a reason for it.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 06:41 PM
And some govt list I SURE want him on. This guy is scary, in case you had not noticed!

In 3.5 years, when this communist is laughed out of office, YOU will be on the list.

Funny how that works.

Jade
08-06-2009, 06:47 PM
In 3.5 years, when this communist is laughed out of office, YOU will be on the list.

Funny how that works.

No, I sure will not. But then I don't rant in posts about shooting others and being shot at and hoping someone else rots in hell. No, I l leave my security up to a monitored alarm system and dogs. This guy(God, I think his name used to be Skinner) is unhinged and should not have firearms. Trust me. I did not even know whether I should come back here and post. I know what I am talking about.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 06:52 PM
No, I sure will not. But then I don't rant in posts about shooting others and being shot at and hoping someone else rots in hell. No, I l leave my security up to a monitored alarm system and dogs. This guy(God, I think his name used to be Skinner) is unhinged and should not have firearms. Trust me. I did not even know whether I should come back here and post. I know what I am talking about.

You should NOT come back here and post.

Jade
08-06-2009, 06:54 PM
You should NOT come back here and post.

And why is this? Am I in danger if I do so?

BadCat
08-06-2009, 06:55 PM
And why is this? Am I in danger if I do so?

You seem to think you might be.

Not much worse than a paranoid moonbat.

Jade
08-06-2009, 06:58 PM
You seem to think you might be.

Not much worse than a paranoid moonbat.

What I KNOW is that he is unhinged. Now the govt knows it too, and I am happy about it. Let's just let him speak for himself and I am curious if he is the former Skinner.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 06:59 PM
What I KNOW is that he is unhinged. Now the govt knows it too, and I am happy about it. Let's just let him speak for himself and I am curious if he is the former Skinner.

No he's not.

patriot45
08-06-2009, 07:00 PM
All liberals are sissies! OOOh the big bad CU guys are scary! Too funny! Go back to the DUmp where the real life scaries reside!

Jade
08-06-2009, 07:01 PM
No he's not.

Well, I can confirm unhinged, but not the former Skinner and you were not clear.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 07:02 PM
Well, I can confirm unhinged, but not the former Skinner and you were not clear.

Hey, Skinner was a good guy.

A bit moderate for my taste, but I liked him.

Jade
08-06-2009, 07:03 PM
All liberals are sissies! OOOh the big bad CU guys are scary! Too funny! Go back to the DUmp where the real life scaries reside!

I don't belong to DU. I do, however, know someone scary as I've had lots of practice.

In fact, the last guy I went out with was unsettling, something wrong, I just knew. Turns out he was an EBay criminal and on the news here. I have developed my "awareness" when something is wrong. And there is something wrong with the OP. However, let's see if he presents rationally and what he has to say.

patriot45
08-06-2009, 07:07 PM
I don't belong to DU. I do, however, know someone scary as I've had lots of practice.

In fact, the last guy I went out with was unsettling, something wrong, I just knew. Turns out he was an EBay criminal and on the news here. I have developed my "awareness" when something is wrong. And there is something wrong with the OP. However, let's see if he presents rationally and what he has to say.

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/october/littlestory.jpg

stsinner
08-06-2009, 07:12 PM
stsinner, I thought you were deranged and dangerous before, but thanks to YOU, the government might see fit to protect someone like me from YOU! Good going!

That's okay.. I think you're retarded and a lemming, so I'm not too bothered by your comments, dyke.

Great, you put the bottle down long enough to post again.. Here we go with another round of attention whoring...

BadCat
08-06-2009, 07:13 PM
I don't belong to DU. I do, however, know someone scary as I've had lots of practice.

In fact, the last guy I went out with was unsettling, something wrong, I just knew. Turns out he was an EBay criminal and on the news here. I have developed my "awareness" when something is wrong. And there is something wrong with the OP. However, let's see if he presents rationally and what he has to say.

We could fix you up with one of our single male members.

stsinner
08-06-2009, 07:15 PM
No, I sure will not. But then I don't rant in posts about shooting others and being shot at and hoping someone else rots in hell. t.

I was talking about military experience, dyke, and what I've gone through for your right to be a confrontational dyke in this forum.

stsinner
08-06-2009, 07:17 PM
I don't belong to DU. I do, however, know someone scary as I've had lots of practice.

In fact, the last guy I went out with was unsettling, something wrong, I just knew. Turns out he was an EBay criminal and on the news here. I have developed my "awareness" when something is wrong. And there is something wrong with the OP. However, let's see if he presents rationally and what he has to say.

You really are brain-dead and resorting to the same desperat crap that Liberals resort to when they have nothing intelligent to say. I have in no way advocated violence toward anyone, and simply stated that I was in the military and have shot weapons at people and had them shoot at me in a war theater in response to you trying to convince us of how you're the great sacrificial lamb for the poor and downtrodden.. For you to twist that and say I'm demented and unhinged is the typical thankless, unappreciative Liberal pussy response.. We know you Liberals loathe the military, but you'd better start watching your slandering.

Jade
08-06-2009, 07:33 PM
You really are brain-dead and resorting to the same desperat crap that Liberals resort to when they have nothing intelligent to say. I have in no way advocated violence toward anyone, and simply stated that I was in the military and have shot weapons at people and had them shoot at me in a war theater in response to you trying to convince us of how you're the great sacrificial lamb for the poor and downtrodden.. For you to twist that and say I'm demented and unhinged is the typical thankless, unappreciative Liberal pussy response.. We know you Liberals loathe the military, but you'd better start watching your slandering.

Sheesh, you were doing great up to that point. Or what?

Egads, I am still happy if you are on some watch list, be it as it may.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 07:41 PM
You want to meet this guy Jade?

He is in the Thunderdome a lot.

You have a LOT in common.

Ranger Rick
08-06-2009, 07:48 PM
Wow, Jade has convinced me I should turn myself in also. Stsinner can I steal your letter?

Jade
08-06-2009, 07:48 PM
You want to meet this guy Jade?

He is in the Thunderdome a lot.

You have a LOT in common.

Sorry, but I see no Thunderdome in the forum. No, I really do NOT want to meet this guy, but am curious as to where the Thunderdome went.

Jade
08-06-2009, 07:50 PM
Wow, Jade has convinced me I should turn myself in also. Stsinner can I steal your letter?

Yes, PULEASE turn yourself in as well. It will be better for you. ;)

BadCat
08-06-2009, 07:55 PM
Sorry, but I see no Thunderdome in the forum. No, I really do NOT want to meet this guy, but am curious as to where the Thunderdome went.

You should see it, it's at the bottom of the index page, second from the bottom.

stsinner
08-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Yes, PULEASE turn yourself in as well. It will be better for you. ;)

Be my guest.

Zathras
08-06-2009, 09:09 PM
We could fix you up with one of our single male members.

No thanks. I don't want anything this "woman" has to offer.

Shannon
08-06-2009, 09:13 PM
No thanks. I don't want anything this "woman" has to offer.

She doesn't like American men anyway.

Zathras
08-06-2009, 09:19 PM
She doesn't like American men anyway.

ah, she's into the liberal American male AKA eunichs.

stsinner
08-06-2009, 09:20 PM
She doesn't like American men anyway.

Good one, Shannon.. Doesn't like Americans and doesn't like men...

BadCat
08-06-2009, 09:21 PM
C'mon you guys, you know who would be a good match for her.

Lars1701a
08-06-2009, 09:35 PM
No thanks. I don't want anything this "woman" has to offer.

If She is good looking I would hit it, but I would have to gag her just to shut her up. :D


Then again she is a flamming hippy bitch so I prolly would not hit it, if she is a tranny I know poli would :)

Shannon
08-06-2009, 09:36 PM
If She is good looking I would hit it, but I would have to gag her just to shut her up. :D


Then again she is a flamming hippy bitch so I prolly would not hit it, if she is a tranny I know poli would :)

You are a gem.

BadCat
08-06-2009, 09:37 PM
You are a gem.

It's the only use there is for lib chicks.

Lars1701a
08-06-2009, 09:42 PM
You are a gem.

When it comes to sex I dont give a rats ass what she believes in as long as she is clean, thin and good looking. ;)


I doubt many single men would turn that sex down even if she was annoying as jade, well at least straight men.

Lars1701a
08-06-2009, 09:42 PM
It's the only use there is for lib chicks.

You hit them in the pooper, that will shut them up (well not the screaming). :D:p

Shannon
08-06-2009, 09:43 PM
Don't be crass.

Lars1701a
08-06-2009, 09:45 PM
Don't be crass.

Sorry I am in a crass mood. :(

Sonnabend
08-07-2009, 06:05 AM
No, but I tell you this much. A couple of his posts were all I knew I needed to know that this guy is unhinged. IF the govt pegs him, trust me, there IS a reason for it

I read it, and I cant see a single thing wrong with it.

blueyonder
08-07-2009, 07:09 AM
Great letter!

stsinner
08-07-2009, 10:06 AM
I admire your email my friend, but that is going to put you on some government lists you probably don't want to be on.

I can appreciate that, but as a person who gave 8 years of my life to this country, I feel I have the right, if not the obligation, to speak up when I see tyranny and injustice being done to the Constitution.. I don't believe I was ever released from my oath.