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Rockntractor
08-09-2009, 12:23 AM
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-08-09 10:43 PM
Original message
"Violence is NEVER progressive." Wrong.
I've been hearing a lot of dissent from pseudo-pacifists in here recently when it comes to violence against violent freepers. They keep saying that we aren't suppose to fight back. Some even mention that guns are against progressive ideals. It's a load of BS. There is nothing stated anywhere that supports the claim that violence is inherently anti-progressive.


But let me be clear. There is a difference between preemptive violence and using violence in self-defense. There is a difference between leveling a non-combative city, like Baghdad, and fighting against the Nazi invasion of France.


As progressives, we must exhaust all non-violent, legal methods of resolution before we ever consider violent action. That's why we have courts, elections, and politicians that you can speak to about grievances. Our system is designed to make violence all but obsolete. That is the point of a democratic system with multiple levels of government.

But what is the next step after all legal, non-violent methods of conflict resolution have failed?

As a means of self-defense, violence is absolutely justified. When there is nothing else to protect your life and the lives of others, you must protect it with force.

As a means of disobedience against a tyrannous government or occupation, violence can be justified. When there is no method left for peaceful resolution, action must be taken.

Guns are simply a means to accomplish these goals. They are not inherently bad or good. They are tools. But that does not discount their lethality. In the wrong hands, guns can be incredibly harmful and destructive. But when used correctly during a time of need, guns are effective tools of self-preservation and revolution.


Violence is almost never the answer. We must be extremely thorough when attempting to resolve a problem with peaceful means. But when peaceful justice ends, and lives are at risk, we must be willing to defend ourselves and our movement.


I am in no way glorifying violence. We should never celebrate the destruction of men. But at times, there is no other option


"Weapons are the tools of violence;
all decent men detest them.

Weapons are the tools of fear;
a decent man will avoid them
except in the direst necessity
and, if compelled, will use them
only with the utmost restraint.
Peace is his highest value.
If the peace has been shattered,
how can he be content?
His enemies are not demons,
but human beings like himself.
He doesn't wish them personal harm.
Nor does he rejoice in victory.
How could he rejoice in victory
and delight in the slaughter of men?

He enters a battle gravely,
with sorrow and with great compassion,
as if he were attending a funeral."

Tao Te Ching Verse 31

obliviously (689 posts) Sat Aug-08-09 10:52 PM
Response to Original message
4. Hell let's just have a big free for all
who cares how many Innocent bystanders might get hurt! Or wait a minute! Why not let law enforcement do their job. Isn't that how it works in a civilized society!

armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-08-09 10:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. You clearly did not read my OP. Read it and think again.

obliviously (689 posts) Sat Aug-08-09 10:55 PM
Original message
911 Use it as needed!

armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-08-09 10:56 PM
Response to Original message
11. I have used 911 multiple times. But again, you have failed to understand my point.

obliviously (689 posts) Sat Aug-08-09 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #11
20. Easy there fellah' just yankin' your chain
I can land um in a 4" circle at 100yds with 357 mag and a 1" circle at 100 yards with my rifle. they aren't messing with my ass!

armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Sat Aug-08-09 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. Agreed. So what's the problem?

obliviously (689 posts) Sat Aug-08-09 11:08 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. I said I was yanking your chain It is a figure of speach that means I was messing with you.
Humor son humor!
Snicker snicker!:D

PoliCon
08-09-2009, 01:17 AM
their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Jfor
08-09-2009, 10:48 AM
4" group at 100yds with a handgun. LMAO

Bubba Dawg
08-09-2009, 10:56 AM
4" group at 100yds with a handgun. LMAO

Except for a scoped hangun it would be hard for me to even see a four inch cirlce at 100 yards.

Jfor
08-09-2009, 11:20 AM
Only way I can see it, is with a scope shooting from a bench. Definitely NOT high stress situations LMAO... DUmmies sure do like to talk tuff to other DUmmies.

stsinner
08-09-2009, 12:01 PM
The only violence progressives are comfortable is that violence done to the constitution using a pen as the weapon, or the damage done to reputations of American patriots with their big mouths!

enslaved1
08-09-2009, 06:40 PM
Except for a scoped hangun it would be hard for me to even see a four inch cirlce at 100 yards.

I don't know a whole lot about shooting, but that does sound like a bit of a stretch. Like so many other moonbats, this one knows that none of the mob has any clue on the subject, so they can spout whatever they want to sound impressive. Any moles to ask him to post a video?

Bubba Dawg
08-09-2009, 07:35 PM
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Rockntractor
08-09-2009, 07:58 PM
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There was a lot of friction on that thread when I got done last night . It doesn't surprize me that they deleted it!

Bubba Dawg
08-09-2009, 08:00 PM
There was a lot of friction on that thread when I got done last night . It doesn't surprize me that they deleted it!

Friction. Good word. Maybe the hive isn't as uniform and in lock-step as they would have folks think.

Rockntractor
08-09-2009, 08:05 PM
Friction. Good word. Maybe the hive isn't as uniform and in lock-step as they would have folks think.
It's a fricken looney bin. I can't handle checking them out every day. I have to be in the right mood!

Bubba Dawg
08-09-2009, 08:37 PM
It's a fricken looney bin. I can't handle checking them out every day. I have to be in the right mood!

It's been a while since I posted there. It was crazy then. Even crazier now. More paranoid.

Teetop
08-09-2009, 09:07 PM
It's been a while since I posted there. It was crazy then. Even crazier now. More paranoid.

Just use more lavender oil and wear butt-floss. :eek:

:D :p

Bubba Dawg
08-09-2009, 09:14 PM
Just use more lavender oil and wear butt-floss.

:D :p

It never hurts to be well dressed and smell nice. :p:D

Shannon
08-09-2009, 09:15 PM
Just use more lavender oil and wear butt-floss. :eek:

:D :p

Don't encourage him.

Teetop
08-09-2009, 09:56 PM
It never hurts to be well dressed and smell nice. :p:D


Don't encourage him.



Sick! And Shannon got him on this! :D

Hey, Bubba....Sharp dressed man, by ZZ Top. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_EFdod4YDo)

Other lyriycs are, a well hung ....... :)

Bubba Dawg
08-09-2009, 10:12 PM
Sick! And Shannon got him on this! :D

Hey, Bubba....Sharp dressed man, by ZZ Top. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_EFdod4YDo)

Other lyriycs are, a well hung ....... :)

Nice. Tres hombres.

stsinner
08-09-2009, 10:25 PM
A thong and light coat of oil goes a long way.. Gotta remember the oil.....