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expat-pattaya
08-20-2009, 01:27 AM
Well, this picture is either NOT flattering or this "athlete" isn't a woman.

http://msn.foxsports.com/id/9958300_36_2.jpg

BERLIN (AP) - The IAAF has asked the South African athletics federation to conduct a gender verification test on 800-meter runner Caster Semenya amid concerns she does not meet the requirements to compete as a woman.

The 18-year-old Semenya won the 800 final on Wednesday at the world championships in a world leading 1 minute, 55.45 seconds, beating defending champion Janeth Jepkosgei by a massive 2.45 seconds. Jennifer Meadows of Britain took bronze.

Olympic champion Pamela Jelimo was eliminated in qualifying.

The IAAF requested the gender test about three weeks ago, after Semenya burst onto the scene by slicing her personal bests in the 800 and 1,500 by huge margins.

IAAF spokesman Nick Davies stressed that "it's a medical issue, not an issue of cheating."

He said the "extremely complex, difficult" test has been started but that the results were not expected for weeks.

The verification test requires a physical medical evaluation, and includes reports from a gynecologist, endocrinologist, psychologist, an internal medicine specialist and an expert on gender.

"So we're talking about reports that are very long, very time consuming," Davies said.

South Africa team manager Phiwe Mlangeni-Tsholetsane would not confirm or deny that Semenya was having a gender test, but said "there was no cheating on our part."

"We entered Caster as a woman and we want to keep it that way," Mlangeni-Tsholetsane said. "Our conscience is clear in terms of Caster. We have no reservations at all about that."

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/9956970/IAAF-asks-for-gender-test-on-runner-Semenya?GT1=39002

Rockntractor
08-20-2009, 01:43 AM
Looks like a dude to me!

stsinner
08-20-2009, 02:00 AM
Obviously a dude..

Lars1701a
08-20-2009, 03:25 AM
Its also a repost: http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=17833

expat-pattaya
08-20-2009, 03:30 AM
ya know, I live in Thailand 6 months a year. Thailand has a large number of what are called "ladyboys". So i am pretty adept at telling at a glance male from female.

If that is a woman then I give up my man card. :D

And ust in case you find yourself over here the clues to the differences (and believe me if CAN be difficult sometimes here)

1) voice is giveaway. Little they can do to change that

2) Shoulder to hip ratio. Very few women have broader shoulders than their hips

3) Hand size. No operation to reduce them

In the picture above that person has much wider shoulders than hips, large hands, and a large face for a woman. But hey, maybe (s)he is a mutant. We'll see in a few weeks when they finish the genetic testing.

expat-pattaya
08-20-2009, 03:42 AM
http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/aug2009/0/4/19-08-09-image-1-890062799.jpg

http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Aug/Week3/15365485.jpg

http://www.foxsports.com.au/common/imagedata/0,5001,6856902,00.jpg

Rockntractor
08-20-2009, 04:03 AM
This used to be clear cut. It was an inboard outboard issue! Now we need weeks of testing? Are they really that stupid?

expat-pattaya
08-20-2009, 05:34 AM
This used to be clear cut. It was an inboard outboard issue! Now we need weeks of testing? Are they really that stupid?

Baffles me what takes so long. Read the article. They even do phycological testing. :confused:

aerojarod
08-20-2009, 04:40 PM
Baffles me what takes so long. Read the article. They even do phycological testing. :confused:

Pfft... I tried to get away with this in Junior high. :cool:

Except my goal was unrestricted access to the girl's locker room, not an Olympic track record. :D

Gingersnap
08-20-2009, 04:49 PM
This used to be clear cut. It was an inboard outboard issue! Now we need weeks of testing? Are they really that stupid?

There are some genetic defects that can make the situation a lot less straightforward than it normally would be. Some defects leave a genetic male with undescended testes and a pretty minor penis, some cause female-appearing labia that cover the road-to-nowhere, some defects alter a genetic female's development in a very masculine way - it's not always simple.

If it's a genetic guy (regardless of equipment), he has to go. If it's a genetic female, her hormonal levels may be so far outside of normal even for an elite female runner that she's forced into medical treatment.

aerojarod
08-21-2009, 12:47 PM
There are some genetic defects that can make the situation a lot less straightforward than it normally would be. Some defects leave a genetic male with undescended testes and a pretty minor penis, some cause female-appearing labia that cover the road-to-nowhere, some defects alter a genetic female's development in a very masculine way - it's not always simple.

If it's a genetic guy (regardless of equipment), he has to go. If it's a genetic female, her hormonal levels may be so far outside of normal even for an elite female runner that she's forced into medical treatment.

Paging Satanica...

expat-pattaya
09-10-2009, 08:17 PM
Well, the results are in. it is a woman - and a man. Weird. OK, so life isn't fair and she got a genetic bitchslap. It still doesn't mean she should be allowed to compete against REAL women IMO.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10051660/Report:-Semenya-has-male,-female-sex-organs?GT1=39002

SYDNEY (AP) - World 800-meter champion Caster Semenya of South Africa has male and female sexual organs, the Sydney Morning Herald said on Friday, posing an ethical and political quandary for athletics' ruling body.

Semenya's reported condition could have grave medical implications. The Herald said extensive physical examinations of 18-year-old Semenya ordered by the IAAF have shown she is technically a hermaphrodite.

Medical reports indicate she has no ovaries, but rather has internal male testes, which are producing large amounts of testosterone.

Rockntractor
09-10-2009, 08:25 PM
Well, the results are in. it is a woman - and a man. Weird. OK, so life isn't fair and she got a genetic bitchslap. It still doesn't mean she should be allowed to compete against REAL women IMO.

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/10051660/Report:-Semenya-has-male,-female-sex-organs?GT1=39002

SYDNEY (AP) - World 800-meter champion Caster Semenya of South Africa has male and female sexual organs, the Sydney Morning Herald said on Friday, posing an ethical and political quandary for athletics' ruling body.

Semenya's reported condition could have grave medical implications. The Herald said extensive physical examinations of 18-year-old Semenya ordered by the IAAF have shown she is technically a hermaphrodite.

Medical reports indicate she has no ovaries, but rather has internal male testes, which are producing large amounts of testosterone.
Inboard or outboard nuts are nuts, thats a dude! I wonder if Mr. Winky pokes his head out once in awhile?

Gingersnap
09-10-2009, 09:37 PM
It hardly matters. The Olympic Committee decided several years ago that males who take female hormones and submit to superficial surgery can compete against normal women after 3 years.

Of course, genetic women who take hormones and get superficial surgery can also compete against normal males.

Except none of those women would ever qualify. Standard adult males have larger hearts, larger lungs, longer, stronger bones, more leverage, narrower hips, a more robust circulatory system, and superior muscular strength. That doesn't all go away after a few years of estrogen therapy. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
09-10-2009, 10:12 PM
which are producing large amounts of testosterone.NO WAY! Really? :rolleyes:

PoliCon
09-10-2009, 10:14 PM
It hardly matters. The Olympic Committee decided several years ago that males who take female hormones and submit to superficial surgery can compete against normal women after 3 years.

Of course, genetic women who take hormones and get superficial surgery can also compete against normal males.

Except none of those women would ever qualify. Standard adult males have larger hearts, larger lungs, longer, stronger bones, more leverage, narrower hips, a more robust circulatory system, and superior muscular strength. That doesn't all go away after a few years of estrogen therapy. :rolleyes:

The olympic committee are a bunch of left wing touchy feely poosays. If you have a Y chromosome - you're not a female.