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KCornett
08-21-2009, 12:08 AM
"Well I don't think US policy should be written to appease YOUR particular sense of spite (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=6352291&mesg_id=6352291")


LaydeeBug (999 posts) Thu Aug-20-09 09:48 AM
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"It's restaurant week here in Baltimore. Extended from last week, I met with a few LayDees and one LayDee's new hubby at one of our Ruth's Chris for some din din that benefits a good cause. The conversation turned to healthcare. My friend's new hubby started the GOP mantra, "Well I don't want to see MY tax dollars go to help some woman who won't get off her ass and work for a living" He went on to say how he was in back of a woman in a grocery store who used food stamps and then got into a waiting nicer car, blah blah blah..."Well I don't think US policy should be written to appease YOUR sense of spite". I told him and my girlfriend to go quit their jobs and go on welfare if they think it's such a high fallutin' lifestyle.

I am not kidding, I watched his face change. By now, the tables around us are noticing, but we weren't screaming or anything. (The FAB-ulous gay couple sitting within arm's reach were even rooting for me). He then starting changing his stance to the "how are we gonna pay for it" mantra, and I asked how we're gonna pay for HMO CEO's hourly wage of $100,000.00 when the CEO demands a raise and a bonus.

Rationed care, he says. (The mo's are waving at me and texting, waving and texting. Hillarious) It *IS* rationed care now AND we ARE paying for it now. It's only gonna get worse if we don't DO something.

"Well I don't want the gov't between me and my doctor". I retort, "yeah, you just want that CEO and his his bean counters between you and your doctor". I'm throwing $100,000.00 per hour around like it's pizza dough. AND "Well I don't think US policy should be written to appease YOUR sense of spite"

Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Clean the lies. We don't want grandma's choice be between real food or a can of alpo because that CEO needs a(nother) yacht. Again, the $100,000.00 per hour. I'm repeating this over and over and over because it was GETTING somewhere with them. For real.

The booth backing to ours actually interrupted. The lady at that table asked about the $100,000.00 per hour number and was I sure. I said yes I was, and I believe it was United Healthcare. Her son gets out his iphone and tells her he can look it up. We comment that we love the way their food looks, with "Oh, what this and that" typical restaurant jargon.

We go back to our table talk and banter, and not just healthcare. A while later, we hear the exclamation, "Mah, that guy makes a little bit MORE than $100,000.00 per hour. LOOK." He hands her his phone. My friend sitting across from me notices that everyone around us started taking out their phones and looking this up. The lady at that booth said, "She might not think US policy should be written to appease their particular sense of spite, but *I* don't think it should appease that guy's bank account"

I came home all fired up to post about this, because I was still pretty upset at the vindictiveness behind "not wanting to see" someone 'get' healthcare. There was a lot of "I work and I PAY for MY health insurance, and I want to know people are PAYING for theirs". It is so spiteful. Anyway this is what I now say to people who spew this, and this OP is my way of letting it out.


Wow.. converts(check) conservatives mean(check) conservatives bowing to liberals superior intellect and wit (check) winning the day (check). BONUS Gay couple...


Could this be a *decent* (only just) bouncy?

KCornett
08-21-2009, 12:10 AM
Another BONUS Downthread!

It is all the evil doing of FOX news! And grassroots power to the people!


calimary (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-20-09 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #1
42. Who says we don't have powerful talking points on our side?
If you don't have some big-ass cable network dedicated 24/7 to spewing wrong-wing lies, then you have to do it by going from restaurant to restaurant, or checkout line to checkout line. One-on-one. And they can't sustain it, since all they hear are empty, hysterical lies. You, however, have some further inconvenient truths.

EXCELLENT JOB!!!

KCornett
08-21-2009, 12:19 AM
Oh oh oh oh....I have to start reading the whole thread before I bring it over here!

Work will get you NOTHING... Let the Government provide it FOR YOU!


CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-20-09 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #4
18. The great lie: "If you work hard enough, you can be anything you want."
That might be the case if the playing field were level, but it's not. In fact, the field is getting more & more skewed to favor the rich every day. They have better education, more opportunities, better networking, dozens of little things that don't seem like much, but add up to a huge advantage that not everyone has. And yet they pat themselves on their back, with their self righteous "I'm better than you slackers" attitude.
I have to take this one apart..

"...they have better education" because I was taught that school and education were important, AND I had to work at to ensure success"

"better networking." umm.. well because I have worked hard, people feel I am reliable.

"and dozens of little things..." Um gee, those *little* things are also most likely a product of hard work, dependability and fruits that come with them.

Christ if these assholes put as much effort into life, (to paraphrase my Dad), as they do into being whiney-assed victims... they may actually get somewhere!


unpossibles (1000+ posts) Thu Aug-20-09 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #18
21. Exactly. I value hard work and drive, and believe in trying to better oneself
And I know it's not impossible to better your lot with some hard work, BUT (and this is the part the right tends to forget) it's not an automatic or guaranteed thing, or anywhere near it. You can bust your ass every day, go to school, do everything right and still not become rich. Or you can be rich through no hard work or success on your own (see: George Bush).

It's amazing. Do conservative actually believe there is a direct 1:1 correlation between someone's actions and the success they achieve?

Umm yes, DUmmy, there is a direct correlation, you dipshit!

ralph wiggum
08-21-2009, 12:23 AM
Good find, KCornett. :cool:

I've had a hard time DUmpster diving lately, because so many of their stupid threads are exactly the same. Kudos to you.

Carol
08-21-2009, 01:42 AM
And where does she get the $100,000 per hour amount? That would be $208,000,000 per year. 208 million per year. Sounds more like a lie.

Yea, it is a lie.


On the other hand -- using United Healthcare as an example -- your insurance company paid their CEO -- one man -- $324,000,000 over a recent five year period.

http://blogs.webmd.com/mad-about-medicine/2007/08/ceo-compensation-who-said-healthcare-is.html

5 years, not 1 year. Yes, 31,000 per hour is still crazy high but it's less than 1/3 rd what she is claiming. And this is assuming a 40 hour week, and includes much of the salary as stock options which were cashed in.

So, since everyone around her was agreeing that she was correct=it was over $100,000 per hour--is she lying about the encounter just to boast and act big at DU, or were they all lying, like Democrats all seem to-especially when they are losing the debate?

Carol
08-21-2009, 01:44 AM
The class envy and just plain jealousy of liberals who think they shouldn't have to make good choices and work for what they have like those they are jealous of never fails to astound me.

KCornett
08-21-2009, 11:46 AM
The class envy and just plain jealousy of liberals who think they shouldn't have to make good choices and work for what they have like those they are jealous of never fails to astound me.
They used to make me want to pull my own hair out.
Now... I have learned to just point and laugh.

NJCardFan
08-21-2009, 12:32 PM
They were eating at Ruth Criss. Don't they know that Sean Hannity sponsers them?