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megimoo
08-22-2009, 12:13 AM
"Is He Just A Suicide Bomber Destroying America ?"

Gibbs: Obama Willing To Be One-Term Prez Over Health Care
President Barack Obama is “quite comfortable” with the prospect of being a one-term president in order to address the issues he is concerned about, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs said Friday.

The comment came on the same day the president’s approval reached a new low, with only a 45 percent approval rating in the Zogby International poll released Friday. The poll said that 51 percent disapprove of the president’s job performance. The Real Clear Politics average of all polls puts the president approval rating at 52.2 percent.

Gibbs was addressing a question about a comment made by Rep. Leonard Boswell (D-Iowa), who said the president told him he is willing to risk a second term to get a health care overhaul bill approved.
Gibbs said that would be true of most issues.

“I don’t know that I’ve specifically heard him on health care,” said Gibbs, “but I have heard the president say that if making tough decisions in getting important things done that Washington has failed to do for decades means that he only lives in this house and makes those decisions for four years, he’s quite comfortable,” Gibbs told reporters at the White House press briefing.

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/52886

megimoo
08-22-2009, 01:02 AM
Gibbs: Obama Willing to be One Term President to Pass Obamacare
OK- So what he really means is that Obama is willing to be a one term president if he can ram a government run health care system on America with a public option.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ei0rc_ZDx18&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgatewaypundit.blogspot.com%2F200 9%2F08%2Fgibbs-obama-willing-to-be-one-term.html&feature=player_embedded
Here's hoping part of that prediction is correct:

From the video: President Obama would be willing to lose out on re-election chances in order to get health care, other "important things" done.

Funny, George Bush risked his presidency on winning the War in Iraq.
Barack Obama risks his presidency on swallowing America up under Big Chicago-style government.
Important things done for who? It sure isn't Americans.

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/08/gibbs-obama-willing-to-be-one-term.html

malloc
08-22-2009, 09:14 AM
I'm going to make some bold and on-the-record-of-this-forum predictions:

First and foremost, Obama will be a one term president:

The man may be charismatic and articulate, but everything he touches turns to mierda. It's not an accident or a force of nature which dictates his policies won't work out, it's just natural economic law. One can't tax, spend, or redistribute their way out of too much debt, one must scrimp, produce and save. It's not like Obama doesn't understand this. He understands it perfectly, it's natural law. It's just that he doesn't accept this, he's deluded himself into thinking that he can outspend recession. Welcome back, Carter.

In 2010 the Republican ticket will gain control of the House or the Senate, maybe both:

However, the Republican ticket that gains control of one or both of the legislative branches will not be of the G.W. Bush brand of Republican. The Republican leadership will still be the same 'ol business, but this time the leadership will find that they are trying to herd cats, cats with fundraising and voter numbers which cannot be ignored.. The libertarian/paleo-conservative movement has taken off in America, according to the fund-raising and turnout figures. This grassroots revival of the Republican brand most assuredly isn't due to current principle of platform or leadership guidance. Most republicans who are organizing political efforts see themselves as 'restoring' the party, not participating in it. This grassroots movement is directly responsible for the 'Tea Parties', and the Town Hall health-care-reform-propaganda backfires. Basically in 2010 and 2012 we'll be pleased to find that the AuH20 brand of conservatism has made a comeback. The successes of this movement within the house and/or senate will set the stage for a bigger invitation of this liberty-minded, small government movement within the party.

We, as a nation need to make and store money. We need lower debts and more capital. Everyone knows that. Yet only the paleoconservatives are providing that policy as a viable option. Given the current dislike of congress and their efforts, spendthrifts of the AuH2O brand are a shoe-in.


This prediction of a Republican party 'homecoming (back to it's roots)' isn't a fantasy. It's based upon what knowledge I have of early candidates. Let's forget voters for a second, because voters can only vote for those in the races. Let's look at those in the races. Fund-raising 'Goldwater Conservatives' giants like Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, and Adam Kokesh are just the tip of the iceburg. 912candidates.org has these same type of small government, free market people running in nearly every contested congressional/senatorial race in the country. That wouldn't be so special, except that these paleoconservatives are well funded through private donations and the brand new liberty oriented PACs.

My final conclusion is that the 2010 elections will see Republican party leadership humbled back down to it's small government roots, or Republican leadership will be replaced by a more hungry generation. Either way, a Republican victory in one of the houses in 2010 is nearly inevitable, we just have to decide what type of Republican we want in those seats.

lacarnut
08-22-2009, 09:21 AM
I believe Gibbs is a lying POS. A narcissist like Obama does not care if he is re-elected. BS.

Rockntractor
08-22-2009, 10:24 AM
I believe Gibbs is a lying POS. A narcissist like Obama does not care if he is re-elected. BS.

You mean we can't trust the doughboy?

stsinner
08-22-2009, 11:30 AM
I believe Gibbs is a lying POS.


Obviously.. It's painful to watch him slithering behind that podium, answering the press questions with spin and vague, useless responses all in defense of his idol.

samurai
08-22-2009, 02:47 PM
It's a lie, of course Obama wants to be re-elected again and again, or maybe he'll just suspend elections and his 1 term will be for life...

But taking Gibbs at his word, let's see just how comfortable Obama is with being kicked out after 4 years by making that happen. Somehow, I don't think he'll go quietly or happily.

Grouchy
08-22-2009, 03:27 PM
It's a dern good thing our President is comfortable with being
a one-hit wonder because that is exactly what he's gonna be,
like it or not.

I predict the next Republican candidate will win like Reagan did
over Carter; HUGELY.

lacarnut
08-22-2009, 03:36 PM
You mean we can't trust the doughboy?

That Yankee rolly polly can lie thru his eye teeth but he looks so intelligent doing it. Not.

CorwinK
08-22-2009, 05:33 PM
I'm going to make some bold and on-the-record-of-this-forum predictions:

First and foremost, Obama will be a one term president:

The man may be charismatic and articulate, but everything he touches turns to mierda. It's not an accident or a force of nature which dictates his policies won't work out, it's just natural economic law. One can't tax, spend, or redistribute their way out of too much debt, one must scrimp, produce and save. It's not like Obama doesn't understand this. He understands it perfectly, it's natural law. It's just that he doesn't accept this, he's deluded himself into thinking that he can outspend recession. Welcome back, Carter.

In 2010 the Republican ticket will gain control of the House or the Senate, maybe both:

However, the Republican ticket that gains control of one or both of the legislative branches will not be of the G.W. Bush brand of Republican. The Republican leadership will still be the same 'ol business, but this time the leadership will find that they are trying to herd cats, cats with fundraising and voter numbers which cannot be ignored.. The libertarian/paleo-conservative movement has taken off in America, according to the fund-raising and turnout figures. This grassroots revival of the Republican brand most assuredly isn't due to current principle of platform or leadership guidance. Most republicans who are organizing political efforts see themselves as 'restoring' the party, not participating in it. This grassroots movement is directly responsible for the 'Tea Parties', and the Town Hall health-care-reform-propaganda backfires. Basically in 2010 and 2012 we'll be pleased to find that the AuH20 brand of conservatism has made a comeback. The successes of this movement within the house and/or senate will set the stage for a bigger invitation of this liberty-minded, small government movement within the party.

We, as a nation need to make and store money. We need lower debts and more capital. Everyone knows that. Yet only the paleoconservatives are providing that policy as a viable option. Given the current dislike of congress and their efforts, spendthrifts of the AuH2O brand are a shoe-in.


This prediction of a Republican party 'homecoming (back to it's roots)' isn't a fantasy. It's based upon what knowledge I have of early candidates. Let's forget voters for a second, because voters can only vote for those in the races. Let's look at those in the races. Fund-raising 'Goldwater Conservatives' giants like Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, and Adam Kokesh are just the tip of the iceburg. 912candidates.org has these same type of small government, free market people running in nearly every contested congressional/senatorial race in the country. That wouldn't be so special, except that these paleoconservatives are well funded through private donations and the brand new liberty oriented PACs.

My final conclusion is that the 2010 elections will see Republican party leadership humbled back down to it's small government roots, or Republican leadership will be replaced by a more hungry generation. Either way, a Republican victory in one of the houses in 2010 is nearly inevitable, we just have to decide what type of Republican we want in those seats.

As much as I, and im sure several others, want some if not all of your predictions to come true man, I personally don't see it.

I fully see Obama being re-elected at least once...possibly more times through political arm twisting to suspend, if not repeal, the 22nd amendment. I base this prediction on the following...

A: The race factor. Anyone who says that the race factor did not play a part in this election is either ignorant of the world around you or have been living under a rock for the last several years. We all know that for the most part, responsible members of the minorities in this country may or may not have voted for him...minorities not on welfare and find his policies detrimental in addition to insulting to all the hard work that they put in to get where they are now. However, even in my place of work (the navy for those of you that dont know) When I have minority members on the ship openly admitting that they voted for Obama because he is black...and the military as many people know is a fairly accurate cross section of the nation as a whole...I have to assume that there is a startling percentage of people who voted for him because he is black and will continue to vote for him because hes black.

B: the freeloader factor. So many people are perched to benefit from Obamacare (which i fully see getting passed) who dont pay taxes that they will vote into office anyone who wont take it away

C: the next voter generation. Think right now how many people are in high school right now that will be coming out and voting in the next election who do not possess the forethought granted by experience (or a damn good knowledge of history since we know how well its allowed to be taught in public schools) to see that the policies enacted by Obama are ruining the country. For the most part they have no clue what it was like to ride high on the results of Reaganomics through the Clinton administration, they were in elementary school if school age at all. They, for the most part, haven't had to pay taxes...provide their own living...go searching for a job in any sort of competitive market (im sorry...fast food is not a competitive market ) own a business, or do anything but factor themselves into part B above, but rather than freeloading off the government through welfare they're living off their parents, which isn't necessarily a bad thing during their school years but regardless they don't have the experience in the world of the results of the administration and therefore wont care what hes done in the past. Plus, let us not forget the popular culture that infests high schools nation wide like a plague. Obama has already shown that he knows how to manipulate his campaign like a season of American Idol and turn it into a popularity contest...hence the drastic increase in young voter registration as reported during the campaign.

D: The subborn factor. These are the votes he doesn't have to campaign for at all. The people that vote Democrat be cause "well, my great grandpa voted democrat, so did my grandpa and my dad, thats why I vote democrat" The same principal applies to republican voters as well, so as not to exclude anyone...ignorance runs in all sides of the political spectrum.

E: The current division in the Republican party. All the people who were Republicans that are now fed up with the GOP leads to a stark division in the main party with the manpower and funding to oppose the democrats. if the US and Russia go to war, and theres a rebellion in Russia that draws a new border north to south dividing the country precisely in half, and the eastern half says that they're done with the war...the US kicks Russia's ass...don't split hairs with details like base locations and crap...just accept the illustration for what it is.

F: the media. Let us not forget the media, that is slightly starting to criticize issues...yet continue to sings the praises of the Messiah as if hes cured the common cold. The president and his staff are experts at manipulation of the media (especially when its already biased toward them...makes things exceedingly easy). Not only that but his administration has already proven its technical savvy with the use of the internet in his last campaign.

I could go on, but that would be nitpicking details that can change at a moments notice...these factors I don't see changing at all. Some other possibilities to consider are quite scary but have just as much chance of failing as they do of succeeding.

Suppose that congress passes the Obamacare bill in its current form (or God forbid something worse), whats to say that this isnt the straw that breaks the camels back in the population? Whose to say that the people who are showing up to town hall meetings armed wont decide that armed rebellion is the answer? You know that the moment anything crops up that isnt squashed in about a day by the local police will prompt Obama to declare martial law in that area...and once he does it there and people get pissed about that in addition to everything else...what stops him from declaring martial law in DC...Houston...Charlotte...Seattle, just to squash any hope of what was started from spreading. A logical course of action at this point, if all your concerned about is the securing of your own power, is a more dedicated enforcement of the patriot act, or the passing of legislation similar to it. With the language of it as broad as it is, whats to stop him from having people arrested simply for having dissenting views? All of a sudden, Mr. Obama has set a precedent that he can squash anything that threatens his authority with military force. When its done once, it gets easier (just look at how much the constitution has been violated from Reconstruction onward and the amazing frequency of occurrences growing exponentially until modern day) Whats to stop him at that point of imposing martial law 'in the interest of the safety of the people from the domestic terrorists' (because you know thats what any rebellion would be dubbed) , over election day and conveniently ignoring it. Or perhaps instituting legislation similar to what the old Roman senate would do during situations where they as the senate could not handle and nominate a 'dictator' for a period of 6 months or so to have supreme power over legislation and military and be able to do anything necessary to rectify the situation?

I quite frankly do not trust the man or his allies in congress and wouldn't put it past him to do anything to stay in power. Power corrupts, and he was corrupt before he got in there.

malloc
08-26-2009, 06:38 AM
As much as I, and im sure several others, want some if not all of your predictions to come true man, I personally don't see it.

I do.



Well I've said it before and I'll say it again — America's best days are yet to come. Our proudest moments are yet to be. Our most glorious achievements are just ahead.


Given his education of the tumultuous past of the United States, since the Revolution, through the Civil War, the World Wars, even Vietnam, Regan never faltered in his optimism. He never lost faith in his fellow American to do, "the right thing", in accordance with our founding principles. In a crowd of 100 Reagan always believed there were 99 Jeffersonians. He didn't think we would preserve our Republic and Republican ideals by accident or laziness. He always thought he was a torchbearer supported by the hard work and faith of the masses in our Republican system of government.



I fully see Obama being re-elected at least once...possibly more times through political arm twisting to suspend, if not repeal, the 22nd amendment. I base this prediction on the following...


I don't see this. If Obama sticks to his totalitarian, government-must-rule-the-individual guns, he looses the middle, but gains wild support on the left, which is minute, but concentrated in this country. Basically the population of New York, Illinois, Conn.,Mass., and California will be his wild support, as opposed to the 45 other States who see reason and temperance. If he pulls a Clinton, circles the wagons in the middle, and allows his policies to be swayed by the pressure of the 'leave-me-alone-crowd' embodied by Beck & Gingrich, then he will pull a lame duck 2nd term with a right-wing House and Senate to deal with, and in this "The Onnoited One" will leave an opening for a Republican shot lubed with "no bullshit". Either scenario means that the Republic of America lives on, and we of the individual-over-government persuasion, will have another shot at showing the world what a free market and the principles of freedom can do when left alone. We, as a Republican Party must take that shot, we only have to ensure that we don't invite candidates who will trade socialist behavior for political objectives. Basically to break this cycle of left-wing FAIL, then right-wing FAIL, then left-wing FAIL, we must do only what we do best. We must vote for self reliance and self control.



A: The race factor.... him because hes black. (Snipped because the Forum told me no more chars)


I don't believe the race factor plays a significant part. I refuse to believe that an American, African or otherwise, will choose racial "payback" over "fool-me-once-twice" politics. Furthermore, I doubt that blacks[1] are looking for special treatment, some of them might be, but not all, at least not anymore than anyone else. I believe that the average black[1] man is on the same boat as me. He doesn't want to punish me for being successful, anymore than I want to punish him for the same. Blacks don't want a free ride like Obama promised them, they just want to participate and take a shot at making better of themselves. We, as Americans, just see Capitalistic green, we do what we can to make money, and that market is salvation for all. I believe, firmly like Reagan did, that the American dream will cross the racial divide over the hard labor of citizens, not government which only serves to increase racial dissatisfaction. Free market capitalism solves racism. Green is money, and all the other colors are just colors, that is what capitalism provides.




C: the next voter generation. Think right now how many people are in high school right now that will be coming out and voting in the next election who do not possess the forethought granted by experience (or a damn good knowledge of history since we know how well its allowed to be taught in public schools) to see that the policies enacted by Obama are ruining the country. For the most part they have no clue what it was like to ride high on the results of Reaganomics through the Clinton administration, they were in elementary school if school age at all. They, for the most part, haven't had to pay taxes...provide their own living...go searching for a job in any sort of competitive market (im sorry...fast food is not a competitive market ) own a business, or do anything but factor themselves into part B above, but rather than freeloading off the government through welfare they're living off their parents, which isn't necessarily a bad thing during their school years but regardless they don't have the experience in the world of the results of the administration and therefore wont care what hes done in the past. Plus, let us not forget the popular culture that infests high schools nation wide like a plague. Obama has already shown that he knows how to manipulate his campaign like a season of American Idol and turn it into a popularity contest...hence the drastic increase in young voter registration as reported during the campaign.


Why did so many college and younger students take part in the tea-party movement? Why did Ron Paul, at 72, raise more money -- online and with more youthful enthusiasm -- than anyone else in the 2008 primary race? Why has Peter Schiff & Rand Paul been gifted with two individual "money bombs" netting over $1.5 million made entirely by individual donors of $125 or less? Why was Barack Obama challenged only by Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee in online dominance?

The younger generation is eager! They don't necessarily want handouts, any more than they want bailouts! What they want is common sense, and a predictable and stable way of navigating the market and making decisions without resorting to fear or uncertainty. If more Republicans were to combine Regan optimism with Goldwater common sense we could wrap up these young minds with a foundation of common sense! However most of you will just preach abroad spending, Iraqi intervention, and the importance of "staying the course". If there's a quicker way to turn off young, energetic, participation, I've not found it.



D: The subborn factor. These are the votes he doesn't have to campaign for at all. The people that vote Democrat be cause "well, my great grandpa voted democrat, so did my grandpa and my dad, thats why I vote democrat" The same principal applies to republican voters as well, so as not to exclude anyone...ignorance runs in all sides of the political spectrum.


This looks like a net zero field for us, so why bother?



E: The current division in the Republican party. All the people who were Republicans that are now fed up with the GOP leads to a stark division in the main party with the manpower and funding to oppose the democrats. if the US and Russia go to war, and theres a rebellion in Russia that draws a new border north to south dividing the country precisely in half, and the eastern half says that they're done with the war...the US kicks Russia's ass...don't split hairs with details like base locations and crap...just accept the illustration for what it is.


I'll accept that illustration, so long as you accept another one. The republican party has, quite literally, a nation divided at it's doorstep. Obamanomics combined with Obamacare have quite nicely polarized the nation. However, this subset of of Republican youth will not stand for another Bush. This subset of youth wants another Reagan, but yearns for another Goldwater. The, newly infused (with money and youth, party base, will not endorse another Bush).

The party's divide is great, however in true Reagan fashion, it's not insurmountable. There is a whole lot of effort being thrown into the party's wings right now as we speak! The Schiff, Rand Paul, Adam Kokesh things are going on now! People are giving up money to party candidates RIGHT NOW! Maybe not chosen party candidates, but we can at least tell what, during a recession, is important to a Republican. These are huge efforts directed at wings of this party. If this party could accommodate the wishes of these efforts, perhaps it could enjoy the fruits of these labors.



F: the media. Let us not forget the media, that is slightly starting to criticize issues...yet continue to sings the praises of the Messiah as if hes cured the common cold. The president and his staff are experts at manipulation of the media (especially when its already biased toward them...makes things exceedingly easy). Not only that but his administration has already proven its technical savvy with the use of the internet in his last campaign.


You have no argument from me on this issue. The media has failed the public. However, I know, without a shadow of a doubt, that the big media is in it's waning years. I'm a software developer for a big credit card processing company, and can tell you that in 10 years all news will come from on-the-demand-of-my-preferences type sources. So, if we, as party want to move from the big-government opposition to the small-government alternative, we have to do it now, while we can still wage wars of opinion on public airwaves and forums.

Don't give up and accept what Washington has given to you! What we can do better we will do better in accordance with free market beliefs. Fonald, Goldwater, or even Schiff would walk into this agreement with only his wits to bring it out on top

megimoo
08-26-2009, 10:11 AM
That Yankee rolly polly can lie thru his eye teeth but he looks so intelligent doing it. Not.

Yankee my Butt !
Robert L. Gibbs is an American political
Born March 29, 1971 (1971-03-29) (age 38)
Auburn, Alabama
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