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Carol
08-26-2009, 06:24 PM
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6396754)

Watch the youtube clip, it's pretty cool.


TheCoxwain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Aug-26-09 03:05 PM
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Bible Thumpers ..take this

The earth is an insignificant speck of dust in the universe ...

and stop taking yourselves (Image of god - no less) so fucking seriously

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEheh1BH34Q
And God Almighty is one Powerful God to create all that!! And even though we are like a speck of dust on what TheCoxwain calls "an insignificant speck of dust" He loves us with an everlasting love. He is faithful and it involved in each of our lives.

Jer 29:11 -
For I know the plans I have for you," declares the Lord, "plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

That's pretty cool.:)

AmPat
08-26-2009, 07:08 PM
Bible Thumpers ..take thisI can't. It's still prime Bible thumping time.:rolleyes:

movie buff
08-26-2009, 07:49 PM
Awesome reply, Carol!

Carol
08-26-2009, 10:32 PM
Thanks, movie buff, but as you know it is simply the truth.

InspiredHome
08-26-2009, 11:36 PM
I love it that we get under their skin. Must annoy them that some day they'll actually have to give an account for their lives. Denial is bliss. :p

jinxmchue
08-26-2009, 11:46 PM
I'm not sure why they think any of that destroys "Bible thumpers." A single cell in the human body is more vast, complex and incomprehensible than anything we can point to in the night sky. We can recreate the fusion process that powers stars. We aren't anywhere near recreating a living cell.

Check these out for comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKMw1ndl-EY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBkY1Ff46Bg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVxdRrWjh0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6AB5IvogHc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVBNKSjg-LQ

AmPat
08-27-2009, 12:33 AM
Sure were a lot of "facts" thrown around in the video. I wonder how they counted all those stars? How exactly do they measure the star diameters so accurately? How do they make a claim that we are not the center of the universe (not that I ever heard this claim from anybody, including "Bible thumpers)? If it is fact that we aren't the center as stated in the video, we must know at least the distance to one of the edges.:rolleyes:

Gingersnap
08-27-2009, 10:30 AM
This similar to the what-if-life-exists-on-other-planets theory of debunking Christianity. Well, what if it does? That doesn't have jack to do with the revelation and New Covenant we're living under. What? The Lord isn't "big enough" to provide other revelations tailor-made for other lifeforms if He pleases? :rolleyes:

Only atheists really believe that the bible is some kind of authoritative, final canon on all of creation and all of God's plan for the entire universe and beyond. It's a handbook for human beings that explains human nature, salvation, and how to live a decent life - it's not some kind of theological Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

PoliCon
08-27-2009, 12:45 PM
That video clearly lies. I am most ASSUREDLY the center of the universe!!! :mad:

Lanie
08-27-2009, 02:42 PM
This similar to the what-if-life-exists-on-other-planets theory of debunking Christianity. Well, what if it does? That doesn't have jack to do with the revelation and New Covenant we're living under. What? The Lord isn't "big enough" to provide other revelations tailor-made for other lifeforms if He pleases? :rolleyes:

Only atheists really believe that the bible is some kind of authoritative, final canon on all of creation and all of God's plan for the entire universe and beyond. It's a handbook for human beings that explains human nature, salvation, and how to live a decent life - it's not some kind of theological Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

Who's to say that the plan for Earth isn't the same plan elsewhere? One death for all of the universe. Or maybe the other people on other planets didn't screw up and sin and therefore do not need a plan of salvation. There's nothing in the bible that says that Earthlings are the only people around.

Gingersnap
08-27-2009, 02:55 PM
Who's to say that the plan for Earth isn't the same plan elsewhere? One death for all of the universe. Or maybe the other people on other planets didn't screw up and sin and therefore do not need a plan of salvation. There's nothing in the bible that says that Earthlings are the only people around.

Precisely and it's way, way beyond my personal pay-grade to speculate about the Final Destination of all creation. ;)

AmPat
08-27-2009, 03:56 PM
Who's to say that the plan for Earth isn't the same plan elsewhere? One death for all of the universe. Or maybe the other people on other planets didn't screw up and sin and therefore do not need a plan of salvation. There's nothing in the bible that says that Earthlings are the only people around.

Good point. We already have evidence that God likes diversity, even within species. He also created other "beings" that reside in heaven and on earth. He's way bigger than an atheist's mind.

enslaved1
08-27-2009, 09:59 PM
This similar to the what-if-life-exists-on-other-planets theory of debunking Christianity. Well, what if it does? That doesn't have jack to do with the revelation and New Covenant we're living under. What? The Lord isn't "big enough" to provide other revelations tailor-made for other lifeforms if He pleases? :rolleyes:

Only atheists really believe that the bible is some kind of authoritative, final canon on all of creation and all of God's plan for the entire universe and beyond. It's a handbook for human beings that explains human nature, salvation, and how to live a decent life - it's not some kind of theological Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy.

No, not only atheists. My and others understanding of Revelation has been that after the final battle, nothing else will remain except for New Jerusalem (Heaven) and the lake of fire (Hell).



1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

As far as man being the only living thing in the universe, I think it shows how unique and intentional we are in God's eyes.

The Night Owl
08-29-2009, 01:18 PM
Sure were a lot of "facts" thrown around in the video. I wonder how they counted all those stars? How exactly do they measure the star diameters so accurately? How do they make a claim that we are not the center of the universe (not that I ever heard this claim from anybody, including "Bible thumpers)? If it is fact that we aren't the center as stated in the video, we must know at least the distance to one of the edges.:rolleyes:

http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_monday_040524.html

The Night Owl
08-29-2009, 01:30 PM
This similar to the what-if-life-exists-on-other-planets theory of debunking Christianity. Well, what if it does? That doesn't have jack to do with the revelation and New Covenant we're living under. What? The Lord isn't "big enough" to provide other revelations tailor-made for other lifeforms if He pleases?

The existence of life on planets other than Earth wouldn't make the god hypothesis any less plausible but something which might would be the discovery that the Universe has always been around in one form or another. If the Universe is found to be eternal then we have to do away with the notion that it was created.

Crystal Wizard
08-29-2009, 04:22 PM
Hey TNO! Welcome back.

FlaGator
08-29-2009, 06:47 PM
The existence of life on planets other than Earth wouldn't make the god hypothesis any less plausible but something which might would be the discovery that the Universe has always been around in one form or another. If the Universe is found to be eternal then we have to do away with the notion that it was created.

Doubting the big bang theory now?

Rockntractor
08-29-2009, 06:49 PM
Doubting the big bang theory now?

If there was no one there to hear it did it make a bang?

FlaGator
08-29-2009, 07:03 PM
If there was no one there to hear it did it make a bang?

Technically no since sound is only an effect of a device that can transform pressure waves into sound. Also, sound needs a medium to travel through and since there was no matter for the first few nanoseconds the big bang would have be a fairly quiet event.

Bubba Dawg
08-29-2009, 11:02 PM
That video clearly lies. I am most ASSUREDLY the center of the universe!!! :mad:

Not Quite. But if the Steelers repeat this year, you'll be damned hard to live with. :D

Bubba Dawg
08-29-2009, 11:04 PM
If there was no one there to hear it did it make a bang?

Actually, yes. That would make it the Big Thud Theory. Echos of the tree thing.

Big Thud sounds like a nose tackle.

The Night Owl
08-30-2009, 12:53 AM
Doubting the big bang theory now?

No. The Big Bang is science fact. We know that the Big Bang took place. What we don't know is what took place before the Big Bang... or even if there was a "before" the Big Bang. One hypothesis is that the Big Bang was not the beginning of the Universe per se but the beginning of the Universe as we see it today. In other words, matter-energy and even time may have existed before the Big Bang. In a weird sort of way, it makes sense... if matter-energy can't be destroyed then perhaps it wasn't created. Maybe it's just the way things are that matter-energy have always been around. The Universe is under no obligation to make sense. :)

The Night Owl
08-30-2009, 12:54 AM
Hey TNO! Welcome back.

Hi. Thanks for that.

djones520
08-30-2009, 01:03 AM
No. The Big Bang is science fact. We know that the Big Bang took place. What we don't know is what, if anything, took place before the Big Bang... or even if there was a "before" the Big Bang. One hypothesis is that the Big Bang was not the beginning of the Universe per se but the beginning of the Universe as we see it today. In other words, matter-energy and even time may have existed before the Big Bang. In a weird sort of way, it makes sense... if matter-energy can't be destroyed then perhaps it wasn't created. Maybe it's just the way things are that matter-energy have always been around. The Universe is under no obligation to make sense. :)

Pretty sure it's still a theory bud. There is a lot of supporting evidence, no doubt about that, but fact is a pretty strong word, and one that even I'm not ready to use yet.

FlaGator
08-30-2009, 08:27 AM
No. The Big Bang is science fact. We know that the Big Bang took place. What we don't know is what took place before the Big Bang... or even if there was a "before" the Big Bang. One hypothesis is that the Big Bang was not the beginning of the Universe per se but the beginning of the Universe as we see it today. In other words, matter-energy and even time may have existed before the Big Bang. In a weird sort of way, it makes sense... if matter-energy can't be destroyed then perhaps it wasn't created. Maybe it's just the way things are that matter-energy have always been around. The Universe is under no obligation to make sense. :)

Do we know that in fact it took place? I am a believer in the big bang but since no one saw it and the process hasn't been repeated experimentally, then to call it a fact is ludicrous. It is a positive explanation for the known facts and is a mathematically sound theory, but it is far from a fact.

Also, since time begin with the big bang and seems to be a property of this Universe then there was no before. Time would have to pre-date the creation and so far there is no evidence whether empirical or mathematical that allows for this. It doesn't specfically rule it out but more study needs to be done.

That the Universe is under no obligation to make sense is a truism and in fact, because so much of it does make sense and does so in a manner that is understandable by humans is a pro-God argument. The argument goes that he created us with the ability to understand creation and thus to some degree recognize that there is a creator. Paul speaks of this in Romans :

Rom 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
There is no reason why the universe should be as constrained to mathematical principles as it and this fact strengths the possibility of a Creator God. Also that we have enough intelligence to grasp these principles and constraints leans credence to the possibility of a Creator more than it takes away from that possibility.

This is one of the major philosophical questions; why does the universe make since and why should be be able to make sense of it. Paul provides one possible answer and to believers it is the only answer that makes sense.

The Night Owl
08-30-2009, 01:27 PM
Pretty sure it's still a theory bud. There is a lot of supporting evidence, no doubt about that, but fact is a pretty strong word, and one that even I'm not ready to use yet.

We have enough observational evidence of the Big Bang to call it a science fact. The same can be said of Evolution.

The Night Owl
08-30-2009, 01:28 PM
Also, since time begin with the big bang and seems to be a property of this Universe then there was no before. Time would have to pre-date the creation and so far there is no evidence whether empirical or mathematical that allows for this. It doesn't specfically rule it out but more study needs to be done.


http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/070702_mm_big_bang.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7440217.stm

Zathras
08-30-2009, 02:05 PM
Big Thud sounds like a nose tackle.

Or a B-17, B-24 or a B-29 during WW2.

djones520
08-30-2009, 06:03 PM
We have enough observational evidence of the Big Bang to call it a science fact. The same can be said of Evolution.

UCLA Division of Astronomy and Astrophysics disagress with you.


The evidence for the Big Bang comes from many pieces of observational data that are consistent with the Big Bang. None of these prove the Big Bang, since scientific theories are not proven.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#BBevidence

And NASA is saying much the same.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.html

The Night Owl
08-30-2009, 10:19 PM
UCLA Division of Astronomy and Astrophysics disagress with you.

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmology_faq.html#BBevidence

And NASA is saying much the same.

http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/universe/bb_theory.html

Proof is attainable only in mathematics. Calling a theory a "science fact" isn't meant to suggest that it's proven or irrefutable but rather that it should be accepted as true unless evidence showing it's wrong surfaces.

A good article on how a theory can be both theory and fact...

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/evolution-fact.html