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Gingersnap
09-10-2009, 05:26 PM
New York State bans use of 'Oriental' term
PTI 10 September 2009, 12:22pm IST
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NEW YORK: New York Governor David Paterson on Wednesday signed into law a bill that bans use of term "Oriental" in documents used by state agencies,
public authorities and municipalities when referring to persons of Asian or Pacific islander heritage.

The bill, sponsored by Assemblywoman Grace Meng and Senator Craig Johnson, was earlier unanimously passed by both houses of the New York State.

Speaking on the occasion, Governor Paterson said that New York State champions the rights of immigrants and "I wonder why it was not passed earlier".

Assemblywoman Grace Meng said the word "Oriental" is derogatory and offensive in the category of race. No state agency, public authority or municipality shall use the term "Oriental" to identify or denote persons of Asian or Pacific islander heritage, she said.

The word Oriental has been used with negative connotations. New World College Dictionary says that when used to describe a person as "Oriental" it denotes a sense of disparagement.

Parveen Chopra, who was invited by the Governor to witness the signing of this bill, said it will remove another way of expressing bias or prejudice in government establishments and records and will help Asian-Americans to live bias free fuller life like all other Americans.

"There must be equity and balance in justice system for all Americans. Eliminating the use of word "Oriental" in criminal justice services will free the system of its bias," said Chopra who served as a Commissioner of Human Rights for two decades and currently serves on the New York Civil Liberties Board.

I've often wondered about this one. Oriental simply means Eastern. While all people in Asia are Asian, not all people of Asian ancestry live in Asia (and some of them have lived for hundreds or thousands of years outside of Asia).

I'm certainly not Caucasian in terms of ancestry yet if that's the term, it's fine with me. I don't self-identify as Caucasian. I do self-identify as white (more or less) although there are Persians as "white" as I am in skin tone. Maybe we should retain both Oriental and Occidental to use as labels.

Times of India (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/news/world/us/New-York-State-bans-use-of-Oriental-term/articleshow/4993787.cms)

linda22003
09-10-2009, 05:29 PM
I have a Chinese friend who doesn't see anything wrong with it; that's good enough for me.

Bubba Dawg
09-10-2009, 07:48 PM
Some people will consider this disorienting.

Phillygirl
09-10-2009, 07:51 PM
I worked with a Korean kid who was surprised to learn that he should be offended by the term "Oriental". Of course, he also didn't know that he wasn't white. I didn't want to tell him he was yellow.

Rockntractor
09-10-2009, 07:58 PM
I have a Vietnamese friend and I call him an ornamental, he calls me a big dummy. Should I be offended?

ralph wiggum
09-10-2009, 08:00 PM
I have a Chinese friend who doesn't see anything wrong with it; that's good enough for me.

A partner in a firm I worked for was Asian/Oriental. He always called himself by derogatory names (i.e. "I'm such a stupid Jap", he didn't give a damn.

I'm actually surprised that this hasn't happened sooner.

stsinner
09-10-2009, 08:23 PM
We now need laws telling us what words we can and can't use.... Good God! America sucks more every day.

Bubba Dawg
09-10-2009, 08:27 PM
I worked with a Korean kid who was surprised to learn that he should be offended by the term "Oriental". Of course, he also didn't know that he wasn't white. I didn't want to tell him he was yellow.

That was nice of you to not to risk damage to his self image. Such damage could even have served to make him more vulnerable. You know, acting as as a sort of chink in his armour.

djones520
09-10-2009, 08:31 PM
My wifes not the type to really be bothered by pidly crap like that, but it does piss her off when people refer to her as being oriental.

Should this be a state law? No. But I guess people do find it offensive.

Shannon
09-10-2009, 08:36 PM
My father calls them all gooks. I wonder if they would prefer that?

ralph wiggum
09-10-2009, 08:38 PM
My wifes not the type to really be bothered by pidly crap like that, but it does piss her off when people refer to her as being oriental.

Should this be a state law? No. But I guess people do find it offensive.

It's just called common sense.

Bubba Dawg
09-10-2009, 08:41 PM
I have a Chinese friend who doesn't see anything wrong with it; that's good enough for me.

I'll refer to people the way they want to be referred to. If I know their preference.

I have a Native American friend who gets very angry if someone calls him Indian. He actually prefers to be called Cherokee.

But then you had AIM, the American Indian Movement.

Sometimes it''s hard to know.

JB
09-10-2009, 09:00 PM
My father calls them all gooks. I wonder if they would prefer that?Aye Carumba. :eek::D

What if the state has old property they want to sell and some of it is rugs? ruh-roh

PoliCon
09-10-2009, 09:04 PM
I don't buy into PC BS. Perhaps people should do a little history research into the terms Asia and Orient and they might discover that Asian is far less accurate a description - historically than is Oriental for people from the far east.

Gingersnap
09-11-2009, 10:34 AM
I don't buy into PC BS. Perhaps people should do a little history research into the terms Asia and Orient and they might discover that Asian is far less accurate a description - historically than is Oriental for people from the far east.

My point exactly.

megimoo
09-11-2009, 10:47 AM
Some people will consider this disorienting.wipe yourself Buba !