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Carol
09-14-2009, 04:48 AM
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6543194)

Well Nikki, since DU censures and bans conservatives simply for their beliefs we'll have to post this on CU since CU allows anyone to be a member as long as they are civil and polite.


Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts)
Dear Teabag Movement:

I am writing in hopes that you will actually read this and try to understand where I am coming from.

Our economic situation is bad and it has been for a long time. The gap between the rich and the poor has gotten incredibly large since the late 70s. Real wages have stayed flat. We now need 2 incomes just to survive, if that. We are overworked, underpaid, and unable to get out of a debt cycle. Poverty has grown. Crime has grown. Our standard of living is down--way down as a nation. Immorality and incivility are par for the course. In many ways, our country is gone. And we all want it back.

And yes, some of this has to do with government.

The US Federal government has lain down and died in front of corporate money and concerns. Corporations contribute MORE money to these politicians of BOTH parties than any of us could ever contribute. The big corporations want cheap labor, endless profits and no taxes. The big corporations also want our tax dollars--they want public functions, government functions, OUR functions to be privatized. Privatized means that they want to buy our public institutions--our schools, our roads, our military functions, and all infrastructure we have built with our tax dollars--for pennies on the dollar. To do this, they need Government to turn its back on the people it is supposed to represent and to starve the public institutions until they become so bad, so hopeless, so broke, that the corporations can buy them for cheap.

And when that doesn't work, the big investors, the banks, the big money men that we are supposed to admire--these guys create derivatives and other "exotic" investments (bets, really) that are intended to crash the market and transfer billions and billions in OUR taxpayer dollars to THEM, the money guys. They can put this money in the Caymans or somewhere else offshore. Remember that OJ Simpson hid his money from the Goldman family in the Caymans. Criminals do.

See the bailout from last year? TARP? Where did the US government get the money to bail out the banks? FROM the banks. Seriously. Our government went INTO DEBT--our debt--to those same banks that we are bailing out. We are financing our own indebtedness. Thank you US government!

So you can see that government IS the problem, just not in the way that you think it is. We're not headed towards socialism; we are headed towards corporate control of all public functions. We are headed toward increased poverty. We are headed towards unrest. All because the Federal government has forgotten that it owes the PEOPLE, not the large corporations. It owes those of us who work hard, who pay taxes, who teach, who heal, who run our own businesses. It's US the Government owes, not Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, McDonalds. It's US. Not THEM.

So complain against the government. Complain about the "bailout" that has financed our own indebtedness. Complain that the government has forgotten the people the Constitution says it is supposed to represent. Complain that the government gives everything to corporations and that this is destroying our way of life.

But remember: reducing the government's responsibility towards the people and handing the reins of government over to multinational corporations will make us ALL poor and oppressed. We need to get government to do its job, NOT reduce its size; not give away our assets that we paid for; not make government so ineffective that we are at the total mercy of corporations. The multinational corporations do not care about our best interest. They only care about profits.This is obviously a far left liberal, but there is enough in here that Nikki Stone1 could be a "teabagger" (as the libs call it). Many complaints are the same as the tea party protesters, the difference is sometimes in the cause of the problem and the solution.

DUers, join the tea party protests and meet up with your Democrat compatriots that already go to them.

Oh, and Nikki, contrary to what you and some other DUers believe WE DO KNOW WHERE YOU COME FROM, WE JUST DO NOT AGREE. That doesn't make us "dumb" (not agreeing) as you believe, but it sure does mean that you lose credibility as a party when you make accusations like that.

I've said this before, but what made me rethink my beliefs, and take a good hard look at them was when I was mocked and attacked by DUers for my faith. I mostly voted Democrat up until that time. After that I didn't want to be associated with a party that attacked me for my faith, and my views became much more conservative. If it weren't for being attacked for my faith I might well still be an uninformed liberal voter.

Mocking, ridiculing and attacking others for their beliefs does have unseen consequences, especially on swing voters.

Sonnabend
09-14-2009, 07:58 AM
Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts)
Dear Teabag Movement:

I am writing in hopes that you will actually read this and try to understand where I am coming from.

The local looney bin?


Our economic situation is bad and it has been for a long time.

And it's gonna get worse under Obumble. Hopeychange yet?


The gap between the rich and the poor has gotten incredibly large since the late 70s.

Sorry, don't have time to listen to professional victims.Get out there and work.


Real wages have stayed flat.

No.


We now need 2 incomes just to survive, if that.

And when Cap and Trade is passed, you'll need THREE. You aint seen nothing yet.


We are overworked, underpaid, and unable to get out of a debt cycle.

Most of DU is unemployed, drunks. druggies,burned out hippies and welfare jerks,. Try again.


Poverty has grown.

Yet those who work, and earn, and study, and invest and grow rich, and all you want its what they have worked for because "you deserve it" or "you are entitled"...right?


Crime has grown.

Yes it has, and the issue is worldwide. People think that the others "owe them something", and the welfare and "me"mentality is such that all you think is that your problems are always someone else's fault.

Go look in a mirror. In case it had escaped you, the rich create the jobs.

DUH.


Our standard of living is down--way down as a nation. Immorality and incivility are par for the course. In many ways, our country is gone. And we all want it back.

This from a denizen of a website that was the source of MULTIPLE investigations by the US Secret Service over threats to the President

Practise what you preach, asshole.


And yes, some of this has to do with government.

Hasnt it sunk in yet? Government is NOT the answer.


The US Federal government has lain down and died in front of corporate money and concerns

Blah blah Big Oil Big Pharma military-industrial complex, Bilderberg group, Bush. etc....

YAWN..........


Corporations contribute MORE money to these politicians of BOTH parties than any of us could ever contribute.

Uh huh. Your "hero" Kennedy was a multi millionaire. Go bother them.


The big corporations want cheap labor, endless profits and no taxes.


No, they want less taxes, so they can have more profits, and create new jobs. Pretty simple, really


The big corporations also want our tax dollars--they want public functions,

Like Obama flying in lobster?


government functions, OUR functions to be privatized

What has ten legs and no brain? A government committee.


Privatized means that they want to buy our public institutions--our schools, our roads, our military functions, and all infrastructure we have built with our tax dollars--for pennies on the dollar.

Considering the idiot in the WH right now, they cant do any worse.


To do this, they need Government to turn its back on the people it is supposed to represent and to starve the public institutions until they become so bad, so hopeless, so broke, that the corporations can buy them for cheap.

Ah, another conspiracy.....:rolleyes:


And when that doesn't work, the big investors, the banks, the big money men that we are supposed to admire--these guys create derivatives and other "exotic" investments (bets, really) that are intended to crash the market and transfer billions and billions in OUR taxpayer dollars to THEM, the money guys. They can put this money in the Caymans or somewhere else offshore. Remember that OJ Simpson hid his money from the Goldman family in the Caymans. Criminals do.

Just how much money does John Kerry,, your hero in 2004 have? Pelosi? Kennedy? Obama? Want me to name the ten richest Dems?


See the bailout from last year? TARP? Where did the US government get the money to bail out the banks?

From the taxpayer. Moron.


FROM the banks. Seriously. Our government went INTO DEBT--our debt--to those same banks that we are bailing out. We are financing our own indebtedness. Thank you US government!

So you are saying government isnt the answer? Guess what, we've been saying that all along - Sarah Palin


So you can see that government IS the problem, just not in the way that you think it is. We're not headed towards socialism;

Yes you are and at warp nine.


we are headed towards corporate control of all public functions. We are headed toward increased poverty. We are headed towards unrest. All because the Federal government has forgotten that it owes the PEOPLE, not the large corporations. It owes those of us who work hard, who pay taxes, who teach, who heal, who run our own businesses. It's US the Government owes, not Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, McDonalds. It's US. Not THEM.

Ah yes the government "owes you"...guess what sunshine, the government doesnt owe you a fucking thing. No one "owes you" anything.

Yep, another professional victim.


So complain against the government. Complain about the "bailout" that has financed our own indebtedness.

Hey, you voted for him.............:D


Complain that the government has forgotten the people the Constitution says it is supposed to represent. Complain that the government gives everything to corporations and that this is destroying our way of life.

No,they dont, actually.


But remember: reducing the government's responsibility towards the people and handing the reins of government over to multinational corporations will make us ALL poor and oppressed.

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/1/d/democratic_crybaby_seal.jpg


We need to get government to do its job, NOT reduce its size; not give away our assets that we paid for; not make government so ineffective that we are at the total mercy of corporations. The multinational corporations do not care about our best interest. They only care about profits.

..and your "hero" Obama doesnt give a rats ass about anyone except himself.

What you are experiencing is what we call "buyer's remorse".

Get used to it.

You are stuck with him until 2012.

You voted for him.

You wear the results.

NJCardFan
09-14-2009, 08:30 AM
Even though someone created that seal as a goof, it's as close to the truth as one is going to get. Funny thing is that this person gets it and doesn't realize it. As was said, government isn't the answer yet their solution? Bigger government. Look at all that government controls: public schools, the mail, public assistance...is there anything that the government controls that isn't a boondoggle? And this person is railing about big business and the super rich yet doesn't mention big labor or George Soros one time. Politics is a dirty business and yes, money talks and bullshit walks but is this ever going to change? Me thinks not. At least as long as we and they keep voting in the same dimwits. When you have people like Ted Kennedy being a lifelong senator, something's wrong. Is the answer term limits? Yep, however not mandated term limits. The only way things will ever change is when these people, especially those at the top, start fearing for their jobs. Hopefully this weekend was a wake-up call but sadly it won't be. By the time we're eating supper tonight, the liberals talking heads and hierarchy will be dismissing the hundred thousand or so as racist gun totin' whack jobs and this will all have been for nothing until next year.

Constitutionally Speaking
09-14-2009, 11:03 AM
Nicki,

What you don't seem to realize is that EVERYTHING you advocate, gives them MORE power over you.


What we advocate is to take the power AWAY from government in the first place. You know, LIMITED BY THE CONSTITUTION.

Think about it. If the government were limited and did not have the power to pass a regulation that could help one industry over another (i.e. Cap and Trade) NEITHER industry would spend one dime bribing politicians - because the politicians would not have the power to affect them.


ALL we need to do to curb abuses in the system is to return to the constitution AS IT WAS INTENDED.

Cseeman
09-25-2009, 03:57 PM
I know this is just wishfull thinking. But i would love it if Nikki was rational and thoughtful enough to respond to the last posting. I would love to hear her thoughts on the argument that limiting government limits powers and abuse.

Like i said i would love to have a thought provoking conversation with Nikki on this topic but that would probably be impossible

Teetop
09-25-2009, 05:12 PM
Excellent reply, Sonna. :)

SarasotaRepub
09-25-2009, 07:10 PM
Wow, that was some DU Street Cred post Nikki! :D

They all wanna be the next DU Will Pitt / Nancy Greggs.

That post is full of doom and gloom that the DUmmies love to wallow in. WOOT!

ABC in Georgia
09-25-2009, 08:30 PM
Sonna ... Absolutely, without a doubt, wonderful, Charles Krauthammer (my hero) type reply!l

Wish I knew how to insert an image for you ... to show my appreciation for that grey matter and wit of yours!

~ ABC

AmPat
09-26-2009, 01:21 PM
Dear Idiot Movement. Here are a few brief responses to your moronic liberal post:


Our economic situation is bad and it has been for a long time. Still the strongest nation with the best chance of success in the WORLD, even though President OBlah Blah doesn't think so.
The gap between the rich and the poor has gotten incredibly large since the late 70s. 13% poor since the Great Society and the war on poverty with Hundreds of billions spent. Current poverty rate, 13%.
Real wages have stayed flat. Meaning no problem at all?
We now need 2 incomes just to survive, if that. Stop living above your means.
We are overworked,Get a new job.
underpaid, Get a new job.
and unable to get out of a debt cycle.Stop buying stuff on credit.
Poverty has grown. No it has not.
Crime has grown. Thanks to the liberal degradation of our societal mores, traditions and morals.
Our standard of living is down--way down as a nation. Complete fabrication. Stop being a victim-loser.
Immorality and incivility are par for the course.Thanks again to liberal ideology and practices.
In many ways, our country is gone. And we all want it back.Correct statement. We too want it back. I call on all liberals/DIMocRATS to resign immediately and let the adults run the country again.