Carol
09-14-2009, 04:48 AM
link (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x6543194)
Well Nikki, since DU censures and bans conservatives simply for their beliefs we'll have to post this on CU since CU allows anyone to be a member as long as they are civil and polite.
Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts)
Dear Teabag Movement:
I am writing in hopes that you will actually read this and try to understand where I am coming from.
Our economic situation is bad and it has been for a long time. The gap between the rich and the poor has gotten incredibly large since the late 70s. Real wages have stayed flat. We now need 2 incomes just to survive, if that. We are overworked, underpaid, and unable to get out of a debt cycle. Poverty has grown. Crime has grown. Our standard of living is down--way down as a nation. Immorality and incivility are par for the course. In many ways, our country is gone. And we all want it back.
And yes, some of this has to do with government.
The US Federal government has lain down and died in front of corporate money and concerns. Corporations contribute MORE money to these politicians of BOTH parties than any of us could ever contribute. The big corporations want cheap labor, endless profits and no taxes. The big corporations also want our tax dollars--they want public functions, government functions, OUR functions to be privatized. Privatized means that they want to buy our public institutions--our schools, our roads, our military functions, and all infrastructure we have built with our tax dollars--for pennies on the dollar. To do this, they need Government to turn its back on the people it is supposed to represent and to starve the public institutions until they become so bad, so hopeless, so broke, that the corporations can buy them for cheap.
And when that doesn't work, the big investors, the banks, the big money men that we are supposed to admire--these guys create derivatives and other "exotic" investments (bets, really) that are intended to crash the market and transfer billions and billions in OUR taxpayer dollars to THEM, the money guys. They can put this money in the Caymans or somewhere else offshore. Remember that OJ Simpson hid his money from the Goldman family in the Caymans. Criminals do.
See the bailout from last year? TARP? Where did the US government get the money to bail out the banks? FROM the banks. Seriously. Our government went INTO DEBT--our debt--to those same banks that we are bailing out. We are financing our own indebtedness. Thank you US government!
So you can see that government IS the problem, just not in the way that you think it is. We're not headed towards socialism; we are headed towards corporate control of all public functions. We are headed toward increased poverty. We are headed towards unrest. All because the Federal government has forgotten that it owes the PEOPLE, not the large corporations. It owes those of us who work hard, who pay taxes, who teach, who heal, who run our own businesses. It's US the Government owes, not Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, McDonalds. It's US. Not THEM.
So complain against the government. Complain about the "bailout" that has financed our own indebtedness. Complain that the government has forgotten the people the Constitution says it is supposed to represent. Complain that the government gives everything to corporations and that this is destroying our way of life.
But remember: reducing the government's responsibility towards the people and handing the reins of government over to multinational corporations will make us ALL poor and oppressed. We need to get government to do its job, NOT reduce its size; not give away our assets that we paid for; not make government so ineffective that we are at the total mercy of corporations. The multinational corporations do not care about our best interest. They only care about profits.This is obviously a far left liberal, but there is enough in here that Nikki Stone1 could be a "teabagger" (as the libs call it). Many complaints are the same as the tea party protesters, the difference is sometimes in the cause of the problem and the solution.
DUers, join the tea party protests and meet up with your Democrat compatriots that already go to them.
Oh, and Nikki, contrary to what you and some other DUers believe WE DO KNOW WHERE YOU COME FROM, WE JUST DO NOT AGREE. That doesn't make us "dumb" (not agreeing) as you believe, but it sure does mean that you lose credibility as a party when you make accusations like that.
I've said this before, but what made me rethink my beliefs, and take a good hard look at them was when I was mocked and attacked by DUers for my faith. I mostly voted Democrat up until that time. After that I didn't want to be associated with a party that attacked me for my faith, and my views became much more conservative. If it weren't for being attacked for my faith I might well still be an uninformed liberal voter.
Mocking, ridiculing and attacking others for their beliefs does have unseen consequences, especially on swing voters.
Well Nikki, since DU censures and bans conservatives simply for their beliefs we'll have to post this on CU since CU allows anyone to be a member as long as they are civil and polite.
Nikki Stone1 (1000+ posts)
Dear Teabag Movement:
I am writing in hopes that you will actually read this and try to understand where I am coming from.
Our economic situation is bad and it has been for a long time. The gap between the rich and the poor has gotten incredibly large since the late 70s. Real wages have stayed flat. We now need 2 incomes just to survive, if that. We are overworked, underpaid, and unable to get out of a debt cycle. Poverty has grown. Crime has grown. Our standard of living is down--way down as a nation. Immorality and incivility are par for the course. In many ways, our country is gone. And we all want it back.
And yes, some of this has to do with government.
The US Federal government has lain down and died in front of corporate money and concerns. Corporations contribute MORE money to these politicians of BOTH parties than any of us could ever contribute. The big corporations want cheap labor, endless profits and no taxes. The big corporations also want our tax dollars--they want public functions, government functions, OUR functions to be privatized. Privatized means that they want to buy our public institutions--our schools, our roads, our military functions, and all infrastructure we have built with our tax dollars--for pennies on the dollar. To do this, they need Government to turn its back on the people it is supposed to represent and to starve the public institutions until they become so bad, so hopeless, so broke, that the corporations can buy them for cheap.
And when that doesn't work, the big investors, the banks, the big money men that we are supposed to admire--these guys create derivatives and other "exotic" investments (bets, really) that are intended to crash the market and transfer billions and billions in OUR taxpayer dollars to THEM, the money guys. They can put this money in the Caymans or somewhere else offshore. Remember that OJ Simpson hid his money from the Goldman family in the Caymans. Criminals do.
See the bailout from last year? TARP? Where did the US government get the money to bail out the banks? FROM the banks. Seriously. Our government went INTO DEBT--our debt--to those same banks that we are bailing out. We are financing our own indebtedness. Thank you US government!
So you can see that government IS the problem, just not in the way that you think it is. We're not headed towards socialism; we are headed towards corporate control of all public functions. We are headed toward increased poverty. We are headed towards unrest. All because the Federal government has forgotten that it owes the PEOPLE, not the large corporations. It owes those of us who work hard, who pay taxes, who teach, who heal, who run our own businesses. It's US the Government owes, not Bank of America, Goldman Sachs, Halliburton, McDonalds. It's US. Not THEM.
So complain against the government. Complain about the "bailout" that has financed our own indebtedness. Complain that the government has forgotten the people the Constitution says it is supposed to represent. Complain that the government gives everything to corporations and that this is destroying our way of life.
But remember: reducing the government's responsibility towards the people and handing the reins of government over to multinational corporations will make us ALL poor and oppressed. We need to get government to do its job, NOT reduce its size; not give away our assets that we paid for; not make government so ineffective that we are at the total mercy of corporations. The multinational corporations do not care about our best interest. They only care about profits.This is obviously a far left liberal, but there is enough in here that Nikki Stone1 could be a "teabagger" (as the libs call it). Many complaints are the same as the tea party protesters, the difference is sometimes in the cause of the problem and the solution.
DUers, join the tea party protests and meet up with your Democrat compatriots that already go to them.
Oh, and Nikki, contrary to what you and some other DUers believe WE DO KNOW WHERE YOU COME FROM, WE JUST DO NOT AGREE. That doesn't make us "dumb" (not agreeing) as you believe, but it sure does mean that you lose credibility as a party when you make accusations like that.
I've said this before, but what made me rethink my beliefs, and take a good hard look at them was when I was mocked and attacked by DUers for my faith. I mostly voted Democrat up until that time. After that I didn't want to be associated with a party that attacked me for my faith, and my views became much more conservative. If it weren't for being attacked for my faith I might well still be an uninformed liberal voter.
Mocking, ridiculing and attacking others for their beliefs does have unseen consequences, especially on swing voters.