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Gingersnap
09-14-2009, 11:22 AM
Voters Turn Negative On All Political Labels Except Reagan
Friday, September 11, 2009

"Progressive” is becoming more of a dirty word, but all political labels – except “being like Ronald Reagan” - are falling into disfavor with many U.S. voters, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey.

“Liberal” is still the worst and remains the only political description that is viewed more negatively than positively. Being like Reagan is still the most positive thing you can say about a candidate.

Just 15% of voters say they view the description of a candidate as politically liberal as positive, down four points from last November. Forty-one percent (41%) see it as a negative description, up five points form the earlier survey, while 42% say it’s somewhere in between.

Aware of their low ideological ratings, political liberals have shifted in recent times to calling themselves progressives, but that name, too, has begun to lose its luster. Thirty-two percent (32%) now consider it a positive to describe a candidate as politically progressive, but that’s down from 40% just after the last election. Twenty-seven percent (27%) see it as negative label, up from 16%, and 36% put it somewhere in between the two.

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But “conservative” also has lost ground. In November, 37% said they had a positive opinion of a candidate described as politically conservative, but only 32% feel that way now. Twenty-nine percent (29%) see conservative as a negative description, up seven points from the earlier survey. Thirty-seven percent (37%) think it’s somewhere in between.

Even “moderate” is a bit more in disfavor these days. Thirty-five percent (35%) say moderate is a positive political description, down from 40%. Only 12% say it’s a negative, but that’s up four points. Largely unchanged are the 51% who say it’s somewhere in between.

Being “like Ronald Reagan” is the one political description that hasn’t changed, even though some in his own party have suggested that Republican candidates should distance themselves from the late president. In November, 43% had a positive opinion of a candidate compared to Reagan, and 41% still feel that way now. Twenty-five percent (25%) view it as a negative political description, compared to 26% in the previous survey. Thirty-one percent (31%) say being like Reagan is somewhere in between a positive and a negative.

Rasmussen (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/september_2009/voters_turn_negative_on_all_political_labels_excep t_reagan)

lacarnut
09-14-2009, 11:57 AM
I am hoping that those voters turn their anger at deposing many of those politicians come 010 elections.

FeebMaster
09-14-2009, 12:31 PM
That's because it's a cult.

Rockntractor
09-14-2009, 12:49 PM
That's because it's a cult.
Once again thanks for not voting! Stick with it as long as you can.

megimoo
09-14-2009, 12:50 PM
I am hoping that those voters turn their anger at deposing many of those politicians come 010 elections.
It should be very interesting for the Libbers.They must either have a death wish or are drinking Rahm's 'Kool Aid' that the elections will be nullified and they will remain in office forever .

If the voters are truly fed up with this crap some of the democrats will be working as lobbyist's come next year !If they make the mistake of pushing this health care catastrophe through by way of a parliamentary maneuver there will be more marches on Washington and these won't be so peaceable !

lacarnut
09-14-2009, 01:36 PM
It should be very interesting for the Libbers.They must either have a death wish or are drinking Rahm's 'Kool Aid' that the elections will be nullified and they will remain in office forever .

If the voters are truly fed up with this crap some of the democrats will be working as lobbyist's come next year !If they make the mistake of pushing this health care catastrophe through by way of a parliamentary maneuver there will be more marches on Washington and these won't be so peaceable !

Obummer and the Democrats may get the message if Repubs win governorships of NJ & VA in November. That may be the tipping point on the health care bill.

PoliCon
09-15-2009, 09:21 PM
Once again thanks for not voting! Stick with it as long as you can.

agreed

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 09:56 PM
Once again thanks for not voting! Stick with it as long as you can.

You're welcome. I'm happy to do my part.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 09:59 PM
You're welcome. I'm happy to do my part.

I still haven't been able to wrap my head around why you don't vote!

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 10:05 PM
I still haven't been able to wrap my head around why you don't vote!

I think this post covers it.


Morally: I have no desire to dictate to other people how they should live their lives, even by proxy.

Practically: It's pointless. One hundred million people voted for socialism in the last presidential election. You aren't going to win back liberty in the voting booth.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 10:08 PM
I think this post covers it.

What do you suggest as a form of government?

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 10:17 PM
What do you suggest as a form of government?

It doesn't matter. They all suck. Government is best avoided whenever possible.

How about an absolute, hereditary monarchy? At least when it goes downhill, you only have to kill one asshole to change the system. Easier to convince people to turn against the divine right of kings than the divine right of elected officials, too.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 10:20 PM
It doesn't matter. They all suck. Government is best avoided whenever possible.

How about an absolute, hereditary monarchy? At least when it goes downhill, you only have to kill one asshole to change the system. Easier to convince people to turn against the divine right of kings than the divine right of elected officials, too.

Thats illogical if you desire to live in a certain manner you have to form an association to protect your interests.

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 10:26 PM
Thats illogical if you desire to live in a certain manner you have to form an association to protect your interests.

If you want to live in a certain manner, you do it.

No government is interested in protecting your interests. No government will ever be interested in protecting your interests. If you're really, really lucky, it might not bother you or rob you too much.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 10:42 PM
If you want to live in a certain manner, you do it.

No government is interested in protecting your interests. No government will ever be interested in protecting your interests. If you're really, really lucky, it might not bother you or rob you too much.

We are the government. That is why you participate!

PoliCon
09-15-2009, 10:48 PM
Anyhow - back on topic - Interesting that Reagan is exempt and fondly remembered :)

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 10:52 PM
We are the government. That is why you participate!

I don't even know how to reply to that. It's sad if you actually believe it.

Tell you what; You can be the government, I abdicate my position. I'll be over here living as free as I can until you decide to kill me for it.

PoliCon
09-15-2009, 10:55 PM
Some people understand civic duty . . . others are freloading parasites.

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:02 PM
Anyhow - back on topic - Interesting that Reagan is exempt and fondly remembered :)

It's not interesting, it's scary.

He tripled the national debt, signed what is arguably the worst piece of gun control ever, increased the power of the federal government, and arguably set the stage for the kind of government spending we see today. But he spent a lot of that money on things people like and made some really, really good speeches.

It's a cult.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 11:03 PM
I don't even know how to reply to that. It's sad if you actually believe it.

Tell you what; You can be the government, I abdicate my position. I'll be over here living as free as I can until you decide to kill me for it.

I guess you will do like you do with the rest of your life, don't respond. Your like a log floating down a stream with no rudder. You have no complaint against a representative government if you don't participate. And if you choose not to protect your life and your freedoms somebody will gladly take them away from you some day.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 11:06 PM
It's not interesting, it's scary.

He tripled the national debt, signed what is arguably the worst piece of gun control ever, increased the power of the federal government, and arguably set the stage for the kind of government spending we see today. But he spent a lot of that money on things people like and made some really, really good speeches.

It's a cult.
Did you vote for him? Against him? If a car comes down the road at you and you don't use your power to move out of the way who's fault is it if you get hit?

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:12 PM
I guess you will do like you do with the rest of your life, don't respond. Your like a log floating down a stream with no rudder. You have no complaint against a representative government if you don't participate. And if you choose not to protect your life and your freedoms somebody will gladly take them away from you some day.

Of course I have a complaint against a representative republic. The one I live in is the single greatest threat to my liberty. There are a hundred million socialists out there voting to bleed me dry and calling me a parasite for not participating in their game.

I will defend my life and liberty, and someday, some voter may very well kill me for it.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 11:14 PM
Of course I have a complaint against a representative republic. The one I live in is the single greatest threat to my liberty. There are a hundred million socialists out there voting to bleed me dry and calling me a parasite for not participating in their game.

I will defend my life and liberty, and someday, some voter may very well kill me for it.

Your defense ends with a gun. It doesn't start with one!

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:15 PM
Did you vote for him? Against him?

I was too young to vote then, but I was young and stupid and Republican at the time, so I might have voted for him given the chance.


If a car comes down the road at you and you don't use your power to move out of the way who's fault is it if you get hit?

You can't dodge a tidal wave.

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:19 PM
Your defense ends with a gun. It doesn't start with one!

Who said it starts with one? In general, I prefer avoidance.

Besides, voting is no defense, especially not the way Republicans do it. I might as well blow my own head off. It's faster and cleaner.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 11:24 PM
I was too young to vote then, but I was young and stupid and Republican at the time, so I might have voted for him given the chance.



You can't dodge a tidal wave.

You aim into the wave by making a choice, you don't let it hit you broadside.

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:25 PM
You aim into the wave by making a choice, you don't let it hit you broadside.

What choice? More than a hundred million socialists voted in the last election. They won.

PoliCon
09-15-2009, 11:28 PM
It's not interesting, it's scary.

He tripled the national debt, signed what is arguably the worst piece of gun control ever, increased the power of the federal government, and arguably set the stage for the kind of government spending we see today. But he spent a lot of that money on things people like and made some really, really good speeches.

It's a cult.

He tripled the debt to end the cold war and in the long run to save us money.

He SLOWED THE GROWTH of the government which given that he had the dems in control of both houses was a serious victory.

His spending was to an end and was done on the military - something the federal government is supposed to pay for.

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 11:31 PM
What choice? More than a hundred million socialists voted in the last election. They won.

If every registered conservative voter would have showed up to vote for the primary and general election. We wouldn't have had to put up with Obama or McCain. How does it hurt you to show up at your precinct and vote?

PoliCon
09-15-2009, 11:33 PM
If every registered conservative voter would have showed up to vote for the primary and general election. We wouldn't have had to put up with Obama or McCain. How does it hurt you to show up at your precinct and vote?

Not so. By the time the primaries got to my state - the candidate was already chosen.:mad:

Rockntractor
09-15-2009, 11:36 PM
Not so. By the time the primaries got to my state - the candidate was already chosen.:mad:
There is a problem there that needs to be addressed I agree with you. But we still have zero input if we don't vote and then communicate with our politicians.

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:44 PM
He tripled the debt to end the cold war

The collapse of the Soviet Union was inevitable mostly because the long term prospects of socialist economies suck. Stick around, you might get a first hand view.


and in the long run to save us money.

Let me know when that kicks in.


He SLOWED THE GROWTH of the government which given that he had the dems in control of both houses was a serious victory.

This is where the cult thing kicks in. "Yeah he massively increased the growth of government, but it was totally less than the other guy would have. Probably. Major victory!"


His spending was to an end and was done on the military - something the federal government is supposed to pay for.

Stuff people like.

FeebMaster
09-15-2009, 11:45 PM
If every registered conservative voter would have showed up to vote for the primary and general election. We wouldn't have had to put up with Obama or McCain.

Who would we have had to put up with?


How does it hurt you to show up at your precinct and vote?

It takes time away from more productive activities. Also, I could get into a car accident.

Rockntractor
09-16-2009, 12:01 AM
Who would we have had to put up with?



It takes time away from more productive activities. Also, I could get into a car accident.

You are a very intelligent person. I have been aggravated with you since I joined the site but i never addressed you because I figured you would mop the floor with me. If you would only choose to participate and use your knowledge and wit to help the conservative movement instead of sitting passively on the side lines. You could take a leadership role and make a serious contribution. I don't understand!

FeebMaster
09-16-2009, 12:41 AM
You are a very intelligent person. I have been aggravated with you since I joined the site but i never addressed you because I figured you would mop the floor with me. If you would only choose to participate and use your knowledge and wit to help the conservative movement instead of sitting passively on the side lines. You could take a leadership role and make a serious contribution. I don't understand!

I believe in almost nothing the conservative movement at large stands for.

As for the very small subset of the conservative movement that legitimately wants smaller government, well, I am trying to help them in a way. I simply don't think they can win at the ballot box, especially at the national level. I think that all the energy they spend on electoral politics is wasted and better spent on other endeavors. When the voting argument comes up (all too often unfortunately), I state my case, sometimes offer some alternatives. When Reagan comes up, I remind them that he's no poster child for small government, moving speeches or not. When gun control comes up, I argue against it all even if it means guns still end up in the "wrong hands."

I certainly have no desire to be a leader. I'd argue this need for leaders is one of the biggest problems with the conservative movement. They want a Reagan to appear and lead them to the promised land where the government obeys the Constitution. They spend more time fantasizing than acting. If you want liberty, you have to grab it, not beg for some leader's scraps. Conservative, lead thyself.

Rockntractor
09-16-2009, 12:53 AM
I believe in almost nothing the conservative movement at large stands for.

As for the very small subset of the conservative movement that legitimately wants smaller government, well, I am trying to help them in a way. I simply don't think they can win at the ballot box, especially at the national level. I think that all the energy they spend on electoral politics is wasted and better spent on other endeavors. When the voting argument comes up (all too often unfortunately), I state my case, sometimes offer some alternatives. When Reagan comes up, I remind them that he's no poster child for small government, moving speeches or not. When gun control comes up, I argue against it all even if it means guns still end up in the "wrong hands."

I certainly have no desire to be a leader. I'd argue this need for leaders is one of the biggest problems with the conservative movement. They want a Reagan to appear and lead them to the promised land where the government obeys the Constitution. They spend more time fantasizing than acting. If you want liberty, you have to grab it, not beg for some leader's scraps. Conservative, lead thyself.
Good luck my friend but no man is an island.

PoliCon
09-16-2009, 10:31 PM
This is where the cult thing kicks in. "Yeah he massively increased the growth of government, but it was totally less than the other guy would have. Probably. Major victory!"


Do a little research. The left constantly and vociferously proclaimed that Reagan was slashing programs down to the bare bones - that he was going to take away social security and medicare from the seniors - that kids would starve because of the cuts he enacted in the school lunch program etc. He forced the congress to greatly reduce the spending they wanted to make.

Rockntractor
09-16-2009, 10:34 PM
It is amazing that anyone who was very young or born after Reagan's presidency like him. The press has not been kind to him over the years.

PoliCon
09-16-2009, 10:57 PM
It is amazing that anyone who was very young or born after Reagan's presidency like him. The press has not been kind to him over the years.

I hated him like a good little government school brainwashed skull full of mush until I started thinking for myself and realized - he was a hell of a guy :)

Rockntractor
09-16-2009, 11:09 PM
I voted for him twice. He was the first president i ever voted for. At times I wasn't real happy with him because the economy in the 80s in Oklahoma was very erratic. I came to appreciate him more later in life( after 10 years of Rush) but we have put him up on to much of a pedestal he was no god and made many mistakes. I would still take him back in a heartbeat!

PoliCon
09-16-2009, 11:11 PM
of course he was no God. But you cannot deny that he runs circles around every other president we had during the last century. In truth - the only president I respect and like more is Gen. Washington.

Rockntractor
09-16-2009, 11:15 PM
of course he was no God. But you cannot deny that he runs circles around every other president we had during the last century. In truth - the only president I respect and like more is Gen. Washington.

I won't go that far with it. But a person could pick a far worse roll model.

PoliCon
09-17-2009, 04:08 PM
I won't go that far with it. But a person could pick a far worse roll model.

Which presidents do you admire more?

Rockntractor
09-17-2009, 04:15 PM
Which presidents do you admire more?
Washington, Lincoln, I would really have to do some study on that! It would not surprise me if he came in third! I have all of Lincolns writings. You would be surprised what you can learn about a man just from reading his notes and letters. It is a large set with several volumes.

PoliCon
09-17-2009, 04:29 PM
Washington, Lincoln, I would really have to do some study on that! It would not surprise me if he came in third! I have all of Lincolns writings. You would be surprised what you can learn about a man just from reading his notes and letters. It is a large set with several volumes.

I like Lincoln as a man but not so much as president.

Rockntractor
09-17-2009, 04:34 PM
I like Lincoln as a man but not so much as president.

In 92 I started reading biographies of presidents. I quit after five or six and I should have continued. In to many ways I am like our friend Feeb most of our leadership fails to impress me that much. I'm not sure what I expect from them but they all turn out human with faults.

Suit&Tie
09-17-2009, 05:24 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30009


According to Wachter, physicians upgraded Reagan's condition from "amusing" to "very funny" last January, when he began referring to all friendly females as "pill lady" and threatening females as "Nancy."

Rockntractor
09-17-2009, 05:35 PM
http://www.theonion.com/content/node/30009

Have you ever watched anyone die with Alzheimer?

Suit&Tie
09-17-2009, 05:36 PM
It's The Onion, dude.

Rockntractor
09-17-2009, 05:39 PM
It's The Onion, dude.
Your the poster Dude!

PoliCon
09-17-2009, 06:50 PM
In 92 I started reading biographies of presidents. I quit after five or six and I should have continued. In to many ways I am like our friend Feeb most of our leadership fails to impress me that much. I'm not sure what I expect from them but they all turn out human with faults.

Too true. But that does not make them of ill character or unworthy of admiration.

PoliCon
09-17-2009, 06:51 PM
Your the poster Dude!

No - he's the idiot troll. There is a difference.

Rockntractor
09-17-2009, 06:56 PM
Too true. But that does not make them of ill character or unworthy of admiration.

I'll just say at this point Reagan would be in my top five. They had different talents and some were good in somethings and bad in others. Jimmy Carter had the most entertaining brother!

PoliCon
09-17-2009, 09:36 PM
I'll just say at this point Reagan would be in my top five. They had different talents and some were good in somethings and bad in others. Jimmy Carter had the most entertaining brother!

I can respect that. :) So who are your top 5? :p

Rockntractor
09-17-2009, 09:38 PM
I can respect that. :) So who are your top 5? :p

I like Ike that makes four.