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PoliCon
09-28-2009, 09:53 AM
NewsReal Sunday: Pots and Kettles: Maddow and Schaeffer Call Evangelicals “Village Idiots” Who Must be Excluded from American Political Life
2009 September 27
by David Forsmark

If your Evangelical Church had a business meeting today, Frank Schaeffer, son of Christian philosopher Francis Schaeffer and owner of the world’s biggest daddy complex has an expression for what went on there—The lunatics running the asylum.

Using the pretext of a dubious poll question about whether Barack Obama is the anti-Christ, Rachel Maddow used guest Frank Schaeffer on Wednesday, September 16, to declare that Evangelical Christians are “village idiots” who should be excluded from politics.

Schaeffer, who has been getting ever more shrill in his desperate bid for attention, made his strongest statement yet blasting his former fellow church-goers in a blanket statement that would have the PC police kicking down his door had he made it of, say, Muslims.



MADDOW: Today, Public Policy Polling released results from its new poll of residents of the great state of New Jersey. The poll found that 18 percent of New Jersey conservatives say they are sure that President Obama is the anti-Christ. No questions asked. Another 17 percent of New Jersey self-identified conservatives say they just aren‘t sure, but they‘re not willing to rule it out….

Joining us now is Frank Schaeffer. He grew up in the religious far right. He is the author of “Crazy for God: How I Grew Up as One of the Elect, Helped Found the Religious Right and Lived to Take All or Almost All of It Back.”

… I do not know what possessed this polling firm to ask whether or not people think the president is the anti-Christ, but they did. Does the response rate among conservatives surprise you? More than one in three saying yes or they don‘t know.

SCHAEFFER: Well, I was a child when President Kennedy was assassinated, and my mother thought, because he died of a head wound, foretold in scripture of the anti-Christ he would be resurrected as the anti-Christ. She thought this might be a possibility.

So, those of us who come from the evangelical subculture have been weaned with our mother‘s milk on a changing cast list of villains. It might be Kennedy to one generation, Obama to the next.

But I think the larger point this brings up is that the mainstream—not just media, but culture—doesn‘t sufficiently take stock of the fact that within our culture, we have a subculture which is literally a fifth column of insanity, that is bred from birth through home school, Christian school, evangelical college, whatever, to reject facts as a matter of faith. And so, this substitute for authentic historic Christianity, and I may add as a little caveat here, I‘m a church-going Christian, really brings up the question: Can Christianity be rescued from Christians? And that‘s an open question.

And when you see a bunch of people going around thinking that our president is the anti-Christ, you have to draw one of two conclusions. Either these are racists looking for any excuse to level the next accusation or they‘re beyond crazy? And I think beyond crazy is a better explanation.

And that evangelical subculture has rotted the brain of the United States of America and we have a big slice of our population waiting for Jesus to come back. They look forward to Armageddon. Good news is bad news to them.

When we talk about the “Left Behind” series of books that I talk about in my book “Crazy for God.” what we‘re talking about is a group of people that are resentful because they‘ve been left behind by modernity, by science, by education, by art, by literature. The rest of us are getting on with our lives. These people are standing on the hilltop waiting for the end.

And this is a dangerous group of people to have as neighbors, and they‘re our national neighbors. And this is the source of all of these insanities that we see leveled at the president. One way or another they go back to this little evangelical subculture. It‘s a disaster.

CONTINUED with video (http://newsrealblog.com/2009/09/27/newsreal-sunday-pots-and-kettles-maddow-and-schaeffer-call-evangelicals-%E2%80%9Cvillage-idiots%E2%80%9D-who-must-be-excluded-from-american-political-life/)

PoliCon
09-28-2009, 09:56 AM
OF course the Dyke refused to do any kind of work in preparing for her story because if she had she'd have seen this on the blog of the pollers -


“We also took a look at the Anti-Christ question nationally and found that a pretty similar number of voters are willing to go so far as to hang that label on either Obama or Bush. 10% of voters say they think Obama is the Anti-Christ with 11% unsure and 8% say the same of Bush with an equal 11% unsure.”

noonwitch
09-28-2009, 11:09 AM
I tried to read one of Schaeffer's dad's books when I was in college. To me, it seemed overly complicated, even for/especially for evangelical theology, and I put it aside for "easier" reading like CS Lewis. Still, I wouldn't refer to Francis Schaeffer ever as a "village idiot". I don't think Frank has a good handle on trends in modern evangelical christian theology or thought, he's going back to his childhood for the example of his mom's opinion that JFK was the possible antichrist.


Not that I have the best handle on modern, evangelical theology, being a member of a hippy, liberal church and all. I'm currently reading Dallas Willard's The Divine Conspiracy, which is not exactly liberal, but not really conservative, either.

megimoo
09-28-2009, 12:11 PM
I tried to read one of Schaeffer's dad's books when I was in college. To me, it seemed overly complicated, even for/especially for evangelical theology, and I put it aside for "easier" reading like CS Lewis. Still, I wouldn't refer to Francis Schaeffer ever as a "village idiot". I don't think Frank has a good handle on trends in modern evangelical christian theology or thought, he's going back to his childhood for the example of his mom's opinion that JFK was the possible antichrist.


Not that I have the best handle on modern, evangelical theology, being a member of a hippy, liberal church and all. I'm currently reading Dallas Willard's The Divine Conspiracy, which is not exactly liberal, but not really conservative, either.
Right on the fence as usual .What did you think of Dan Browns crusade against the Catholic Church and All things Catholic .

PoliCon
09-28-2009, 12:13 PM
lol I love when people cannot tell the difference between real life and FICTION. :rolleyes: