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Rockntractor
10-11-2009, 06:34 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/CARMFG/idUSN0837382420091011

Battle over Chrysler plays out in Wisconsin town
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By Bernie Woodall

KENOSHA, Wisconsin, Oct 11 (Reuters) - The auto boom came fast to this harbor town on Lake Michigan where Ramblers first rolled off the line a century ago.

But the bust has been just as dramatic and decades in the making. Nash gave way to AMC, then Chrysler, then bankruptcy. for details [ID:nN1166417]

Now Kenosha finds itself at the front of a battle by auto workers and allies to persuade Fiat SpA (FIA.MI) and the Obama administration to rewrite the terms of the fast-march restructuring of Chrysler to save jobs.

For months, Glenn Stark, a union official in Kenosha, has been giving tours to Fiat and making the pitch that the Italian automaker has a future here as it takes control of Chrysler.

"They are still coming," says Stark, who met with a Fiat team last month. "As long as they're coming, I'm hopeful."

At stake are nearly 500 jobs and a $50 million payroll in Kenosha represented by the United Auto Workers, the union that controls a majority stake in Chrysler through its affiliated health care trust.

The coalition fighting to save Kenosha and nearly 2,000 other UAW-represented jobs at two other Chrysler plants slated to close next year sees it as an issue of fairness.

After Chrysler took $10 billion in U.S. assistance, it scrapped plans to bring a new more fuel-efficient engine to its Kenosha plant, sending the work to Saltillo, Mexico, instead.

"We played the political card, you know, taxpayer dollars supporting Chrysler and the jobs going to Mexico," says Kenosha Mayor Keith Bosman.

Bosman's office looks out at the site of the lakeside plant that built the Chrysler Fifth Avenue and other models after the automaker's first federal bailout of 1979.

Two decades ago, UAW workers in Kenosha fought and won payouts of $250 million as Lee Iacocca's Chrysler shut down assembly work in town, leaving only the nearby engine plant. More than 5,000 workers lost their jobs.

Bosman, who hopes to raise up to $30 million of aid to clean up the Kenosha plant for a new owner, says keeping jobs in town now will be a business decision. "The bottom line is the bottom line," says Bosman.

One focus for a potential new plant owner has been the Fiat's CNH Global subsidiary, which makes agricultural and construction equipment and has a plant nearby in Racine. Continued...
Our tax dollars at work?

Bubba Dawg
10-11-2009, 06:55 PM
We've got a cousin who worked for Chrysler.

He worked in the part of the company responsible for training the mechanics at dealerships. Most of that department got laid off a couple of years ago. They got outsourced and hired by by soem contractor and paid about half what they were earning. He earned a decent salary but it was not extravagant by a long stretch.

He took early retirement.

I don't really think Chrysler is putting a lot of emphasis on repairing their cars, at least based on that bit of info. That means they may not see a long term future for the company. (Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so.)

I got rid of our Dodge Intrepid a couple of years ago when our dealer closed. I still have an 89 Dodge Ram Charger. Love my Big Ole Dodge. The company doesn't look good, though.

Sad really.

Rockntractor
10-11-2009, 07:00 PM
We've got a cousin who worked for Chrysler.

He worked in the part of the company responsible for training the mechanics at dealerships. Most of that department got laid off a couple of years ago. They got outsourced and hired by by soem contractor and paid about half what they were earning. He earned a decent salary but it was not extravagant by a long stretch.

He took early retirement.

I don't really think Chrysler is putting a lot of emphasis on repairing their cars, at least based on that bit of info. That means they may not see a long term future for the company. (Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so.)

I got rid of our Dodge Intrepid a couple of years ago when our dealer closed. I still have an 89 Dodge Ram Charger. Love my Big Ole Dodge. The company doesn't look good, though.

Sad really.
We have one dodge but most of my trucks are ford diesels or international diesel. The one thing I like about the dodge isn't even made by them, the Cummings diesel.

Bubba Dawg
10-11-2009, 07:02 PM
We have one dodge but most of my trucks are ford diesels or international diesel. The one thing I like about the dodge isn't even made by them, the Cummings diesel.

I love my old Ram Charger. When the snow flies, it's what I drive if I have a choice.

It's old. Slow. Crude in design. Get's poor mileage.

I still love it. It drives like a truck.

I'll be sad to see Chrysler go south if it happens.

Rockntractor
10-11-2009, 07:05 PM
I love my old Ram Charger. When the snow flies, it's what I drive if I have a choice.

It's old. Slow. Crude in design. Get's poor mileage.

I still love it. It drives like a truck.

I'll be sad to see Chrysler go south if it happens.
Unions and socialism are destroying the most powerful advanced manufacturing in the world and all we can do is stand by and watch it slip away.

PoliCon
10-11-2009, 07:16 PM
So wait - the UNION is fighting the UNION here? Dumbasses.

Bubba Dawg
10-11-2009, 07:26 PM
So wait - the UNION is fighting the UNION here? Dumbasses.

I don't blame the union for the woes of American auto makers.

The first new car I ever bought was a chevy. It was a dreadful car. I then bought a ford pickup. It was okay but not great. Then I was commuting so I got rid of the pickup and god a small dodge car. It was a dreadful terrible car.

The last new American made car I bought was in 1989. After that i bought Hondas. I have (or have had) 3 hondas. No problems with any of them.

The design of the American nameplate cars I bought, and the decisions about the engineering of those cars, were management decisions, not bargaining unit union employee decisions. And the management decision was to make inferior products.

I'm not a fan of unions, but it is the right of employees to organize and union employees can do a good job. Whether or not they are in a union is not the determining factor of the quality product they turn out.

The woes of the American auto industry is not the fault of unions. It is the fault of stupid management.

PoliCon
10-11-2009, 07:33 PM
Yea - stupid managment that over pays inept union workers. Reality is that the perception is that Japs build better cars - but do they? JD Powers shows that that is not always the case: http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category

Bubba Dawg
10-11-2009, 07:39 PM
Yea - stupid managment that over pays inept union workers. Reality is that the perception is that Japs build better cars - but do they? JD Powers says otherwise: http://www.jdpower.com/autos/ratings/dependability-ratings-by-category

I've got my experience of what I have bought, and what JD Power says.

Two of my 3 Hondas were made in the USA by American workers.

The last Dodge I had, an Intrepid, was made in Canada. It was an okay car. It was a 2002 model (I think).

It isn't the workers building the cars.

It's the people who make the engineering decisions. That's management. If the people running the company decide to make something inferior, the worker on the assembly line can't polish a turd.

Rockntractor
10-11-2009, 07:41 PM
I've got my experience of what I have bought, and what JD Power says.

Two of my 3 Hondas were made in the USA by American workers.

The last Dodge I had, an Intrepid, was made in Canada. It was an okay car. It was a 2002 model (I think).

It isn't the workers building the cars.

It's the people who make the engineering decisions. That's management. If the people running the company decide to make something inferior, the worker on the assembly line can't polish a turd.

The government has been telling the management for several years now what to build.

Bubba Dawg
10-11-2009, 07:48 PM
The government has been telling the management for several years now what to build.


The government couldn't tell these geniuses anything unless they were already in trouble and had to have the government bail their useless asses out.

Chrysler's stupid incompetence goes all the way back to Lee Iacocca. That's decades.

As a company, if you fail you shouldn't get bailed out. I think the conservative position is clear on that.

If you elbow your way up to the government trough, then you can't really have any integrity if you complain about how the government hollers Suey.

Rockntractor
10-11-2009, 08:00 PM
CAFE Standards Anti-pollution devices and the environmentalist war on petroleum. They are our government now.

Bubba Dawg
10-11-2009, 08:11 PM
CAFE Standards Anti-pollution devices and the environmentalist war on petroleum. They are our government now.

Who is exempt from these?

Rockntractor
10-11-2009, 08:15 PM
Who is exempt from these?

None of the automakers that sell here and it is hurting everyone.