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Elspeth
10-13-2009, 11:15 AM
I woke up this morning with the appalling thought that since we are all going to be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty tax, some bureaucracy is going to have to police that. I imagine that records of social security numbers, census information, and the like is going to have to be put in a giant, nationwide database (or at very least, in state databases) and that the insurance companies will have to notify the government as to who has bought insurance or which employers have purchased insurance for which employees. Then the names from the insurance companies will be subtracted from the larger database.

Some agency (HHS?) is going to have to keep track of this massive amount of information. There are bound to be mistakes, with people who have insurance being accused of not having it, and having to fight the government while paying a stiff fine they shouldn't have to pay and that they might not be able to afford .

How much freaking money is that kind of agency going to cost to police us about, of all things, going to the doctors?

I see a bureaucratic nightmare.

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 11:21 AM
I woke up this morning with the appalling thought that since we are all going to be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty tax, some bureaucracy is going to have to police that. I imagine that records of social security numbers, census information, and the like is going to have to be put in a giant, nationwide database (or at very least, in state databases) and that the insurance companies will have to notify the government as to who has bought insurance or which employers have purchased insurance for which employees. Then the names from the insurance companies will be subtracted from the larger database.

Some agency (HHS?) is going to have to keep track of this massive amount of information. There are bound to be mistakes, with people who have insurance being accused of not having it, and having to fight the government while paying a stiff fine they shouldn't have to pay and that they might not be able to afford .

How much freaking money is that kind of agency going to cost to police us about, of all things, going to the doctors?

I see a bureaucratic nightmare.
I have a feeling my days of being an honest law abiding citizen are over.

ExLiberal
10-13-2009, 12:32 PM
I have a feeling my days of being an honest law abiding citizen are over.

It'll be a disaster but on the flipside, it'll help to diminish this administration's support. I saw a lot of people on DU just as angry as we are, one of them even saying he won't vote for Obama in 2012 if this is implemented.

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 12:33 PM
It'll be a disaster but on the flipside, it'll help to diminish this administration's support. I saw a lot of people on DU just as angry as we are, one of them even saying he won't vote for Obama in 2012 if this is implemented.

But will a Republican president rescind the law?

Politically, I get you. But there is something that transcends politics here. I don't want this bill to pass.

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 12:38 PM
But will a Republican president rescind the law?

Politically, I get you. But there is something that transcends politics here. I don't want this bill to pass.
I am scared to death of it, but all the people I respect say it will pass. This is the begging of the end if that happens.

PoliCon
10-13-2009, 12:47 PM
I woke up this morning with the appalling thought that since we are all going to be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty tax, some bureaucracy is going to have to police that. I imagine that records of social security numbers, census information, and the like is going to have to be put in a giant, nationwide database (or at very least, in state databases) and that the insurance companies will have to notify the government as to who has bought insurance or which employers have purchased insurance for which employees. Then the names from the insurance companies will be subtracted from the larger database.

Some agency (HHS?) is going to have to keep track of this massive amount of information. There are bound to be mistakes, with people who have insurance being accused of not having it, and having to fight the government while paying a stiff fine they shouldn't have to pay and that they might not be able to afford .

How much freaking money is that kind of agency going to cost to police us about, of all things, going to the doctors?

I see a bureaucratic nightmare.

Nah - they'll make it all easy by implanting microchips in the back of our hands.

ExLiberal
10-13-2009, 12:49 PM
But will a Republican president rescind the law?

Politically, I get you. But there is something that transcends politics here. I don't want this bill to pass.

You've got a point. I was thinking it'll help us get a republican elected 2012 but he (or she) probably wouldn't rescind it.

Freedom rings no longer.

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 12:52 PM
Bush left most of Clinton's crap in place!

noonwitch
10-13-2009, 12:54 PM
As a government bureaucrat....


The government will probably contract a company to compile all the data for them, and track down those who refuse to get health care coverage. Then, they'll have Iron Mountain pick all of the records up for storage.

PoliCon
10-13-2009, 12:57 PM
As a government bureaucrat....


The government will probably contract a company to compile all the data for them, and track down those who refuse to get health care coverage. Then, they'll have Iron Mountain pick all of the records up for storage.

nah - they'll digitize them and encode them and implant them on chips on our person - AND they'll make having a chip a requirement to do just about anything so that you can opt out if you like - but opting out will prevent you from getting health care or buying groceries or having a job . . . .

I remember reading about this somewhere . . . can't think where though . . .

lacarnut
10-13-2009, 01:07 PM
I woke up this morning with the appalling thought that since we are all going to be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty tax, some bureaucracy is going to have to police that. I imagine that records of social security numbers, census information, and the like is going to have to be put in a giant, nationwide database (or at very least, in state databases) and that the insurance companies will have to notify the government as to who has bought insurance or which employers have purchased insurance for which employees. Then the names from the insurance companies will be subtracted from the larger database.

Some agency (HHS?) is going to have to keep track of this massive amount of information. There are bound to be mistakes, with people who have insurance being accused of not having it, and having to fight the government while paying a stiff fine they shouldn't have to pay and that they might not be able to afford .

How much freaking money is that kind of agency going to cost to police us about, of all things, going to the doctors?

I see a bureaucratic nightmare.

Your fears are well founded. Passage of a health care bill will enable the Feds to hire tens of thousands of union governmental workers. The Democrats want control and could give two shits about cost and what it is going to do to the 85% that are happy with their coverage.

Seniors, doctors, hospitals, big Pharma and employees and employers will take a big hit. Taxes will go up and coverage will go down. Medical research and equipment mfg (cat scan & MRI) will see a decrease also. Some doctors will just say fuck it and retire. Enrollment in medical schools will decline, and rationing will occur with fewer resources trying to cover more patients.

Whatever health care bill passes will never be rescinded even if the Repubs take over Congress and the WH. They could not even eliminate funding for the Arts, NPR, eliminate agencies when in power.

My gut feeling is that the threat of fines for an individual that is self employed or a small company that has a few employees is BS. I can see the ACLU kicking the Feds ass in the S.C. No way in hell is it constitutional to force someone to buy insurance.

noonwitch
10-13-2009, 01:21 PM
nah - they'll digitize them and encode them and implant them on chips on our person - AND they'll make having a chip a requirement to do just about anything so that you can opt out if you like - but opting out will prevent you from getting health care or buying groceries or having a job . . . .

I remember reading about this somewhere . . . can't think where though . . .



You are giving way too much credit to the average government bureaucrat's work ethic.


Don't you think that the antichrist will now have to be trickier to get people on his side, since the whole mark on the hand thing was prophesied 2000 years ago and millions have read that prophecy? Even people who have read it and rejected it are going to say, "wait a minute" before letting someone implant a chip in their hands. I don't even believe in the literal interpretation of Revelation, but I would certainly be suspicious of such a plan.

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 01:54 PM
As a government bureaucrat....


The government will probably contract a company to compile all the data for them, and track down those who refuse to get health care coverage. Then, they'll have Iron Mountain pick all of the records up for storage.

Oh joy. What a frigging mess all this will be. And how expensive it will end up being. No bid contract to Choicepoint?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ChoicePoint

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 01:55 PM
Nah - they'll make it all easy by implanting microchips in the back of our hands.

Ok, explain this one to me. Is this an Art Bell thing?:confused:

Jfor
10-13-2009, 01:58 PM
Ok, explain this one to me. Is this an Art Bell thing?:confused:

Revelations. Mark of the beast.

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 01:59 PM
Revelations. Mark of the beast.

That part I figured. But chips?

Jfor
10-13-2009, 02:01 PM
A microchip can contain ALL personal info, including bank account info. You walk to the checkout line and instead of paying with cash or credit, you swipe your hand. The microchip can be said to be the mark of the beast.

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 02:09 PM
A microchip can contain ALL personal info, including bank account info. You walk to the checkout line and instead of paying with cash or credit, you swipe your hand. The microchip can be said to be the mark of the beast.

Is this your idea?

patriot45
10-13-2009, 02:10 PM
I woke up this morning with the appalling thought that since we are all going to be required to buy health insurance or pay a penalty tax, some bureaucracy is going to have to police that. I imagine that records of social security numbers, census information, and the like is going to have to be put in a giant, nationwide database (or at very least, in state databases) and that the insurance companies will have to notify the government as to who has bought insurance or which employers have purchased insurance for which employees. Then the names from the insurance companies will be subtracted from the larger database.

Some agency (HHS?) is going to have to keep track of this massive amount of information. There are bound to be mistakes, with people who have insurance being accused of not having it, and having to fight the government while paying a stiff fine they shouldn't have to pay and that they might not be able to afford .

How much freaking money is that kind of agency going to cost to police us about, of all things, going to the doctors?

I see a bureaucratic nightmare.


Think........ I.R.S., Now thats scary!!

PoliCon
10-13-2009, 02:12 PM
You are giving way too much credit to the average government bureaucrat's work ethic.


Don't you think that the antichrist will now have to be trickier to get people on his side, since the whole mark on the hand thing was prophesied 2000 years ago and millions have read that prophecy? Even people who have read it and rejected it are going to say, "wait a minute" before letting someone implant a chip in their hands. I don't even believe in the literal interpretation of Revelation, but I would certainly be suspicious of such a plan.

we're talking about people stupid enough to vote for Obama - so NO I don't think people will catch on. People will make fun of any opposition as being those backwards ignorant Christians and laugh and push it through.

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 02:12 PM
The new taxes will start when Obama signs the bill. They range from 8000 to 21000 per tax payer. Just heard it on Rush.

lacarnut
10-13-2009, 02:23 PM
The new taxes will start when Obama signs the bill. They range from 8000 to 21000 per tax payer. Just heard it on Rush.

Maybe for a millionaire. Rush is full of it.

stsinner
10-13-2009, 02:33 PM
But will a Republican president rescind the law?

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I doubt that!! Obama will hire so many people to enforce and implement his new fomr of Socialism that rescinding the law would mean putting tens of thousands of people out of work... That won't fly.. If it does, he'll be voted out and the volley will revert to the Democrat in the next election where it will be implemented again... And on and on it goes...

Jfor
10-13-2009, 02:40 PM
Is this your idea?

no

FreeAmerican
10-13-2009, 02:46 PM
Haven't actually thought about this. Interestingly scary, enough so to make you want to move or rebel.

I prefer the latter.

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 03:36 PM
Haven't actually thought about this. Interestingly scary, enough so to make you want to move or rebel.

I prefer the latter.

You've seen the LRAD, right? They dragged it out here in San Diego during a tea party rally. They didn't use it, but it was there. (Just FYI, they did use it in Pittsburg). And there is a weapon that can heat the water under your skin, not leave a mark and make you scream in pain. And there are tazers, security cameras everywhere, government patrolling of the net, airport screenings (down to your internal body parts), and checkpoints. How is rebellion even possible?

FreeAmerican
10-13-2009, 04:16 PM
You've seen the LRAD, right? They dragged it out here in San Diego during a tea party rally. They didn't use it, but it was there. (Just FYI, they did use it in Pittsburg). And there is a weapon that can heat the water under your skin, not leave a mark and make you scream in pain. And there are tazers, security cameras everywhere, government patrolling of the net, airport screenings (down to your internal body parts), and checkpoints. How is rebellion even possible?

I am not talking about military style rebellion, I am talking about protecting my rights. Not like the nutcase that was on here yesterday talking about a militia.

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 04:49 PM
I am not talking about military style rebellion, I am talking about protecting my rights. Not like the nutcase that was on here yesterday talking about a militia.

Oh ok.

What kind of rebellion do you think would work?