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Gingersnap
10-13-2009, 01:56 PM
America's Booming White Enclaves

By Randy James Monday, Oct. 12, 2009

Traveling some 27,000 miles, African-American journalist Rich Benjamin roamed the United States from 2007 to 2009 exploring a major demographic shift that's attracting remarkably little attention the flight of white residents from cities and integrated suburbs into cloistered, racially homogeneous enclaves. Tidy communities such as St. George, Utah and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho places Benjamin calls Whitopias have grown at triple the rate of America's cities in recent years, raising troubling questions about the country's multiracial cohesion. The Stanford literature PhD chronicled his adventure in a new book, Searching for Whitopia: An Improbable Journey to the Heart of White America, and spoke with TIME about what he found.

Let's start with the title of your book what is a Whitopia, exactly? It's more than just a place where a lot of white people happen to live.

Absolutely. A Whitopia has three things. First, it has posted more 6% population growth since 2000. The second thing is that the majority of that growth upwards of 90% comes from white migrants. The third thing a Whitopia has is an ineffable social charm a pleasant look and feel.

You say many Whitopias offer a high quality of life, and tend to perform well on those "Best Places to Live" lists that run in magazines. Do you think people are also drawn to these places specifically by their whiteness?

The major draw to Whitopia is that they're safe communities with good public schools and beautiful natural resources. Those qualities are subconsciously inseparable from race in many Americans' minds. For some people race is a major role, and they said so to my face, but most of the Whitopians I encountered aren't intentionally practicing racial discrimination or self-segregation.

You say Whitopias can form even in the middle of diverse cities. How is that possible?

People don't realize that diversity isn't the same as integration. Blacks and whites in New York, where I live, are as segregated today as in 1910 What is the danger Whitopias pose to America as a whole?

You can call me old-fashioned, but I'm an integrationist. A democracy can't function at its optimum unless all members are integrated as full members.

A community full of like-minded people tends to enforce their own view of the world and closes off opposing viewpoints. You can go to parties in New York City where the liberal smugness is intolerable, because they're only hearing liberal viewpoints. On the Whitopian conservative side, it's spinning out of control. Look at the teabagger movement, where people are concerned their taxes are going to be wasted on minorities and illegal immigrants. Same with the movement that says Obama is not a citizen.

Time seems to fear crime-free, small town-feel settings with few begging drunks and no graffiti.

Time (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929729,00.html?loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.0 332541:b28264146&xid=Loomia)

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 02:01 PM
Time seems to fear crime-free, small town-feel settings with few begging drunks and no graffiti.

Time (http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1929729,00.html?loomia_si=t0:a16:g2:r1:c0.0 332541:b28264146&xid=Loomia)

I thought this was satire.

This is real article?

linda22003
10-13-2009, 02:07 PM
I didn't see any specific examples given of the communities he's describing.

stsinner
10-13-2009, 02:17 PM
Paging Mr. Obvious...

Gingersnap
10-13-2009, 02:30 PM
I didn't see any specific examples given of the communities he's describing.


Tidy communities such as St. George, Utah and Coeur d'Alene, Idaho places Benjamin calls Whitopias have grown at triple the rate of America's cities in recent years, raising troubling questions about the country's multiracial cohesion.

I'm sure The Villages are another along with hundreds of other similar communities.

linda22003
10-13-2009, 02:40 PM
I saw those two, but no others mentioned. Don't know what "The Villages" is.

Gingersnap
10-13-2009, 03:05 PM
I saw those two, but no others mentioned. Don't know what "The Villages" is.

There are hundreds, maybe thousands, of planned communities that are set in exurbs or suburbs and which feature common elements: HOA oversight, upscale community recreational features like pools, gyms, and miles of paved walkways, scenic settings, community-focused recreational activities: boating, golf, horseback riding, even shooting, and a welcoming attitude toward churches and private schools. A lot of these communities are intertwined with retirement communities for very active seniors so they are usually multigenerational.

What these communities don't have are high crime rates, homeless people, gangs, open drug use, squalor, and a high teen drop-out rate.

These communities are all "whiter" than the demographics of the largest city in any state they are located in but they aren't red-lined communities.

We have a number of "whitopias" in Colorado". I don't live in one but I know a lot of people who do. It's not the whiteness they are after, it's the lifestyle. Non-whites who share the lifestyle (and there are more than you would think from this article) also come for the lifestyle - not because they want to suck up to The Man.

linda22003
10-13-2009, 03:10 PM
I looked up The Villages, and it's cookie cutter houses in Florida, so I'm not interested. :) I agree with you about what people - of any color - want in communities, and I think the only color that really matters is green. I think The Villages would sell houses to black and hispanic people if they bring enough green to the table, don't you?

Gingersnap
10-13-2009, 03:24 PM
I looked up The Villages, and it's cookie cutter houses in Florida, so I'm not interested. :) I agree with you about what people - of any color - want in communities, and I think the only color that really matters is green. I think The Villages would sell houses to black and hispanic people if they bring enough green to the table, don't you?

I'm sure they do sell houses to anybody who is willing to abide by the covenants and who can swing the asking price.

This author is getting some press because he appears to attacking whites who live in certain HOAs. However, even this guy admits that a lot of people (regardless of color) prefer the "whitopia" lifestyle. It's just that those people are selfish and heartless because when they move away from an area, the problems just get worse without the leavening action of hardworking, honest people who have ambition.

In other words: the trash gets trashier. :p

Elspeth
10-13-2009, 03:41 PM
But living under HOA control has to be hellish. Everyone in your business all the time. My sister lives in a place with an active HOA and her neighbor, who got himself elected president of it, is a busybody who bugs the shit out of everyone. He gives out "citations" if he doesn't like how you mowed your grass.

Gingersnap
10-13-2009, 03:49 PM
But living under HOA control has to be hellish. Everyone in your business all the time. My sister lives in a place with an active HOA and her neighbor, who got himself elected president of it, is a busybody who bugs the shit out of everyone. He gives out "citations" if he doesn't like how you mowed your grass.

It's a trade-off. My BFF lives in one of the most structured HOAs in the state. They made her replace all her front window coverings because she had chosen a small pattern and patterns were not allowed on window coverings that faced the street. She cannot plant any tree other maples in her front yard because all the streets are named after trees and only the street name tree may be planted in the front. :eek:

She loves it. She loves the pools and the spa and the gym facilities. She loves the security patrols and the amenities the residents get (need your prescription picked up when you're sick? They do that for you). It's gorgeous and safe. You just can't play fast and loose with your home exterior. :D

bijou
10-13-2009, 03:57 PM
But living under HOA control has to be hellish. Everyone in your business all the time. My sister lives in a place with an active HOA and her neighbor, who got himself elected president of it, is a busybody who bugs the shit out of everyone. He gives out "citations" if he doesn't like how you mowed your grass.

You would have to pay me to live there! I live on a house privately built estate (although not in one of the gated sections) and just about the only condition there is is that we can't keep chickens (or any livestock) which given the location is not unreasonable. Though it has to be said that I am quite tempted to get a couple of chickens. :D

noonwitch
10-13-2009, 04:26 PM
I just got to say that I love the made-up word "Whitopia". It is just too funny, it sounds like something my best friend would say about Oakland County (which, incidentally, has lots of black people).

Apache
10-13-2009, 05:00 PM
It's called FREE association...


Get it?
That's what happens in FREE societies, people choose where and with whom they live...:mad:

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 05:01 PM
For the times that I have lived in town I have lived in the black areas. I prefer them and if I moved back into town again I would live in a black area. The area I live in now was were a lot of the black people came to settle after the Tulsa riots. On the end of my property are the ruins from the foundation for the old black school or colored school as it was called then. I've had elderly people stop by and ask me to see the foundation, they went to school there. A third of a mile from me is a little black church. Every Sunday they come for service and stay and have lunch, for them church lasts all day. I found an old map of my area and before the new names they called it Negro hills.

stsinner
10-13-2009, 05:53 PM
Then set an example for all of us and move to Detroit. :rolleyes:

Anyway, your government is hard at work fixing this 'problem' for us all.

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/072608dnmethousing.3b5be2c.html



:rolleyes:

WTF??? It's like school busing all over again...

stsinner
10-13-2009, 05:53 PM
It's called FREE association...


Get it?
That's what happens in FREE societies, people choose where and with whom they live...:mad:

Can you believe that to some people this idea is unreasonable....like everyone in your government..

hampshirebrit
10-13-2009, 06:05 PM
You would have to pay me to live there! I live on a house privately built estate (although not in one of the gated sections) and just about the only condition there is is that we can't keep chickens (or any livestock) which given the location is not unreasonable. Though it has to be said that I am quite tempted to get a couple of chickens. :D

My sister just got a couple of cluckers. They're great ... eggs every day. The live in an "eggloo" at the bottom of her garden. Noise is only a problem if you have a boy chicken in the roost, apparently.

/threadjack

Apache
10-13-2009, 06:09 PM
Can you believe that to some people this idea is unreasonable....like everyone in your government..For the hand-wringing and all the tears for "equality", the dirty little secret is, people will generally live and "hang out" with their own race.

Apache
10-13-2009, 06:10 PM
My sister just got a couple of cluckers. They're great ... eggs every day. The live in an "eggloo" at the bottom of her garden. Noise is only a problem if you have a boy chicken in the roost, apparently.

/threadjackThe "boy" chicken is called a ROOSTER :D



+1:eek:

Troll
10-13-2009, 06:14 PM
WTF??? It's like school busing all over again...

Another solution just begging for a problem.

By the way, everyone's Page 2 activity today is called "Spot the Irony".


The DHA is required to offer the vouchers only to blacks as part of a court settlement to address past discrimination.

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 06:14 PM
The "boy" chicken is called a ROOSTER :D



+1:eek:

This is one of the main reasons I have lived in black areas. No neighborhood restrictions!

Apache
10-13-2009, 06:23 PM
This is one of the main reasons I have lived in black areas. No neighborhood restrictions!

When we get orders for pony rides and petting zoos, it's usually the blacks who show the most interest and ask the most questions about the animals. I like it, cuz it give me an oppotunity to teach them something about livestock...:)

hampshirebrit
10-13-2009, 06:56 PM
The "boy" chicken is called a ROOSTER :D
+1:eek:
It is called that here too ...I just wasn't sure if it translated between British and American English

I nearly typed "gentleman chicken" but figured that it might be stretching the point a tad. :D

Rockntractor
10-13-2009, 07:01 PM
It is called that here too ...I just wasn't sure if it translated between British and American English

I nearly typed "gentleman chicken" but figured that it might be stretching the point a tad. :D

Do you feed them tea and biscuits?:D

Apache
10-13-2009, 07:03 PM
It is called that here too ...I just wasn't sure if it translated between British and American English

I nearly typed "gentleman chicken" but figured that it might be stretching the point a tad. :D

Do English chickens have accents? :eek:

+1:D