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SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 12:03 PM
Firefighter dead, 2 police officers shot in Maplewood

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/standoff620july21.jpg A sharpshooter with the Missouri Highway Patrol waits on alert on the porch of a house on the 7400 block of Zephyr Place this morning as a gunman remains holed up in the area.
(Christian Gooden/P-D)



By Patrick M. O'Connell (POConnell@post-dispatch.com), Kim Bell (KBell@post-dispatch.com) and Carolyn Tuft
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
07/21/2008


UPDATED, 10:14 a.m.


MAPLEWOOD -- A rookie firefighter was killed and two police officers were wounded when a gunman opened fire in Maplewood early today. The gunman might still be holed up in a burning home, and police sharpshooters have swarmed the neighborhood near South Big Bend Boulevard and Zephyr Place.


The dead firefighter has been identified as Ryan Hummert, 22. Hummert was fatally shot as he got out of a Maplewood fire truck as it arrived at the scene of a vehicle fire about 5:45 a.m. today.


Meanwhile, a Maplewood police officer is in critical condition at another area hospital. The bullet struck the officer's badge, which may have saved his life, a hospital spokeswoman said. A second Maplewood police officer was shot in the right shoulder. He is being treated, but his condition was unavailable.


It all started unfolding before 6 a.m. today, when firefighters were responding to a vehicle fire on Zephyr Place. The house fire started shortly after that. Officers surrounded the home, believing the gunman was inside.


Three hours later, dozens of police cars from a mix of area departments were still there. Many of the officers are crouching behind police cars with their weapons drawn. The St. Louis County police explosives unit rolled up after 9 a.m., as did an armored vehicle from the U.S. Marine Corps. FBI agents were suiting up in tactical gear.


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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/54B564537575D8B58625748D003E0596?OpenDocument



Very weird this week. Last week had heard of the big accident on a nearby highway and discovered a friend had been killed instantly and now this.


This thing is still going on. The firefighters can't totally put out the house fire, as someone is in there shooting at them. The one firefighter was killed.
Then I heard the morning anchor on our local NBC affiliate interviewing a neighbor on the phone. The police had tried to get folks moved out of there, but with the "suspect" sniping, many had to stay in their homes and were warned to stay down and away from the windows.


The person being interviewed was the "officiant" who had married SR and me. She's a lovely woman who works full time at a local university. I hope she stays safe. They said that the fire department is training hoses on the immediate houses near the shooter, to try to prevent fires.


I don't think the shooter is facing a good outcome, with the Mo Highway Patrol swat team, the FBI, and the Marines armored tactical vehicles there. I'm just praying that no neighbors get hurt and no more police or firefighters injured.


Frankly, I don't give a damned about the "suspect".

megimoo
07-21-2008, 12:11 PM
Firefighter dead, 2 police officers shot in Maplewood

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/standoff620july21.jpg A sharpshooter with the Missouri Highway Patrol waits on alert on the porch of a house on the 7400 block of Zephyr Place this morning as a gunman remains holed up in the area.
(Christian Gooden/P-D)



By Patrick M. O'Connell (POConnell@post-dispatch.com), Kim Bell (KBell@post-dispatch.com) and Carolyn Tuft
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
07/21/2008


UPDATED, 10:14 a.m.


MAPLEWOOD -- A rookie firefighter was killed and two police officers were wounded when a gunman opened fire in Maplewood early today. The gunman might still be holed up in a burning home, and police sharpshooters have swarmed the neighborhood near South Big Bend Boulevard and Zephyr Place.


The dead firefighter has been identified as Ryan Hummert, 22. Hummert was fatally shot as he got out of a Maplewood fire truck as it arrived at the scene of a vehicle fire about 5:45 a.m. today.


Meanwhile, a Maplewood police officer is in critical condition at another area hospital. The bullet struck the officer's badge, which may have saved his life, a hospital spokeswoman said. A second Maplewood police officer was shot in the right shoulder. He is being treated, but his condition was unavailable.


It all started unfolding before 6 a.m. today, when firefighters were responding to a vehicle fire on Zephyr Place. The house fire started shortly after that. Officers surrounded the home, believing the gunman was inside.


Three hours later, dozens of police cars from a mix of area departments were still there. Many of the officers are crouching behind police cars with their weapons drawn. The St. Louis County police explosives unit rolled up after 9 a.m., as did an armored vehicle from the U.S. Marine Corps. FBI agents were suiting up in tactical gear.

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http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/54B564537575D8B58625748D003E0596?OpenDocument



Very weird this week. Last week had heard of the big accident on a nearby highway and discovered a friend had been killed instantly and now this.


This thing is still going on. The firefighters can't totally put out the house fire, as someone is in there shooting at them. The one firefighter was killed.
Then I heard the morning anchor on our local NBC affiliate interviewing a neighbor on the phone. The police had tried to get folks moved out of there, but with the "suspect" sniping, many had to stay in their homes and were warned to stay down and away from the windows.


The person being interviewed was the "officiant" who had married SR and me. She's a lovely woman who works full time at a local university. I hope she stays safe. They said that the fire department is training hoses on the immediate houses near the shooter, to try to prevent fires.


I don't think the shooter is facing a good outcome, with the Mo Highway Patrol swat team, the FBI, and the Marines armored tactical vehicles there. I'm just praying that no neighbors get hurt and no more police or firefighters injured.


Frankly, I don't give a damned about the "suspect".

They should protect the neighborhood homes and let the Bugger roast !

jinxmchue
07-21-2008, 12:28 PM
Hummert was fatally shot as he got out of a Maplewood fire truck as it arrived at the scene of a vehicle fire about 5:45 a.m. today.


WTF?????????

SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 01:05 PM
WTF?????????

Exactly. The young firefighter/paramedic had only been on the force 6 months after graduating from paramedic school.

It's still chaotic, but they say the car caught on fire, and the firefighters were responding to a vehicle fire call. Then all hell broke loose.

It's a nice little neighborhood in a close-in suburb. So many local muncipalities are pitching in. It must be nearing a close, as they're showing more and more fire trucks arriving. They won't let the firefighters in there due to the possible danger if the shooter is still alive.

The problem is it's in the low 90's and heading to 100. What a day for those poor firefighters.

SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 04:21 PM
Maplewood Shooting Investigation

http://www.ksdk.com/genthumb/genthumb.ashx?e=1&h=152&w=200&i=/assetpool/images/080721033653_firescene_2.jpg (http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=150451&catid=134)
Neighbor Describes Scene as Maplewood Home Burns Down (http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=150451&catid=134)

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Lamira Martin described the scene over the phone to NewsChannel 5's Jennifer Blome and Scott Connell around 10:20 a.m.


Here's a description of what was going on, told by the woman who did the 'I do's" for SR and me. It's a small world.

It was sad coming into the office, went by the Maplewood City Hall, already draped with the black bunting. Big Bend Boulevard is still cordoned off by the police.

SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 04:58 PM
Another update:

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=150408&catid=3



UPDATE: Police Suspect Shooter's Body in Burned Out Home


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Maplewood, Mo. -- Neighbors said a fire destroyed a home in a where a man suspected of killing a firefighter and shooting two police officers may be hiding.
Tracy Panus, a spokesperson for the St. Louis County Police Department, said investigators were planning a search of the alleged shooter's burned out home, and "suspected" the man's body was inside the home, located just off of Big Bend in Maplewood, eight miles west of St. Louis.

Black smoke could be seen rising above a tree line where a home was burning at 10:30 a.m.


<LI itxtvisited="1">Photo Gallery: Maplewood Shooting (http://www.ksdk.com/life/community/gallerypublic.aspx?plckGalleryID=cb36778d-a106-4dde-9e97-e2212f717745)Lamira Martin, who lives across the street from the home, said live on NewsChannel 5 that the home was an "inferno" and that she heard possible explosions around 10:20 a.m.
NewsChannel 5 crews saw an armored vehicle from the St. Louis County tactical unit heading towards the home, and then they spotted black smoke.
Media crews were kept away from the scene and television helicopters were not allowed to fly in the area.

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asdf2231
07-21-2008, 06:55 PM
Have they gotten anywhere near to figuring out WHY this happened?

SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 09:45 PM
Have they gotten anywhere near to figuring out WHY this happened?

At 3 p.m., police officials said that they would give no further statements about the case and said they believed the guman perished in the fire.

St. Louis County police detectives were processing the crime scene this afternoon and sifting through the rubble. Police said they do not know whether the gunman had lived at the home and did not know his identity. Land records show the house is owned by Mark J. Knobbe. Records also show Knobbe owns a pickup simliar to the one that burned.

"We have no indication that he got out of the house," said St. Louis County police spokeswoman said, adding that police still don't know much about the man.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/stlouiscitycounty/story/54B564537575D8B58625748D003E0596?OpenDocument



They still don't know why this happened. They recently released the name of the resident. I had a quick drive home, as I guess everyone was avoiding Manchester Ave, which intersected Big Bend. The street, which had been barricaded all day, finally was reopened at 4:30pm.

Here's the latest---will post more whenever they release the info.

Oh, one of the newschannels mentioned that Knobbe, the suspect, had told all the neighbors he was on the sexual offender list, but no one could find him on any lists. It might have been a ploy to be left alone. :rolleyes:

Jumpy
07-21-2008, 10:03 PM
SLW, For awhile, It seemed as if everything was happening in my area... the Amish school shooting, the mass murder of the Wise family, the Ludwig/Borden murder.

Lately though, so much has been happening that you are close to. Scary stuff!!

SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 10:16 PM
SLW, For awhile, It seemed as if everything was happening in my area... the Amish school shooting, the mass murder of the Wise family, the Ludwig/Borden murder.

Lately though, so much has been happening that you are close to. Scary stuff!!

It's very scary. Last year there were bullet holes in the big glass in front of my company. I have a "window seat", which the other sales reps want. Sometimes I'm not sure if it's such an honor.

I get very nervous going out on sales calls. Most of my accounts are in fairly dangerous areas. I'm very careful now.

Edited to add this:


The incident was the latest of several high-profile crimes in the region this year. In February, a disgruntled resident of the suburban town of Kirkwood walked into a city council meeting and killed two police officers, two council members and the public works director before he was gunned down by police. The gunman, Charles ``Cookie'' Thornton had a long-running feud with the city over multiple code violations concerning his small contracting company.

In June, an Arkansas couple was beaten to death outside a hotel in Festus, Mo. Authorities suspect Nicholas Sheley killed six people in Illinois before killing the couple in Festus. He was captured a short time later in Granite City, Ill.

Last week, two people died inside Jamestown Mall in north St. Louis County. Police say S.A. Carson let the air out of his wife's tires, apparently so she could not get away, then went inside and shot her to death before turning the gun on himself. And on Saturday, 57-year-old Boris Shotekoff killed his wife and sister and brutally beat his brother-in-law before taking his own life, police said.
http://www.kmox.com/UPDATED--Firefighter-Killed-in-Maplewood-Standoff/2634174

SR is probably longing for the craziness of some of the stuff happening in Florida. He probably thinks he moved to a war zone.

Dan D. Doty
07-21-2008, 10:28 PM
I believe from now on this is going to become more common place in urban areas.

SLW, if you can move out of Saint Louis.

SaintLouieWoman
07-21-2008, 10:30 PM
I believe from now on this is going to become more common place in urban areas.

SLW, if you can move out of Saint Louis.

I live in the 'burbs, but work in the city. Starting to rethink my line of work.

Bill inGA
07-22-2008, 10:18 AM
[QUOTE=SaintLouieWoman;22325]Firefighter dead, 2 police officers shot in Maplewood

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/standoff620july21.jpg A sharpshooter with the Missouri Highway Patrol waits on alert on the porch of a house on the 7400 block of Zephyr Place this morning as a gunman remains holed up in the area.
(Christian Gooden/P-D)

SLW, this picture of the police could land you jail... If we have learned anything from the DUmps RIM job.

Bill inGA
07-22-2008, 10:24 AM
Have they gotten anywhere near to figuring out WHY this happened?

[DU mode]
Do you really have to ask? This was obviously caused by Bush. See this guy was probably about to loose his home because of the mortgage crisis which Bush caused by padding the pockest his necon croonies! We need to march on the White House and send all of them to the Hague!!!!one!!eleven!!
[/DU mode]

SaintLouieWoman
07-22-2008, 11:52 AM
[quote=SaintLouieWoman;22325]Firefighter dead, 2 police officers shot in Maplewood

http://images.stltoday.com/stltoday/resources/standoff620july21.jpg A sharpshooter with the Missouri Highway Patrol waits on alert on the porch of a house on the 7400 block of Zephyr Place this morning as a gunman remains holed up in the area.
(Christian Gooden/P-D)

SLW, this picture of the police could land you jail... If we have learned anything from the DUmps RIM job.

I never pay attention to the DUmp, but this pic was from the St Louis Post-Dispatch's web site, lead story yesterday, so no problems here. What's scary is that they still haven't, at least publically, acknowledged that they've found the "suspect's" body. If he escaped, he's within a couple mile range of my company. Perhaps coincidentally, yesterday they instituted tighter security procedures here.

SaintLouieWoman
07-22-2008, 03:05 PM
Investigators Find Object that Appears to be Gun in Burned-Out Maplewood Home


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KSDK -- A NewsChannel 5 crew saw investigators pull out what appeared to be a gun in the rubble of a burned-out home Tuesday morning which has been the target of an investigation into a deadly shooting Monday in Maplewood, eight miles west of St. Louis.

Investigators have not commented on the find it is not known if it is connected to Monday's shooting. St. Louis County Police said they believe the person responsible for the shooting death of a Maplewood firefighter and injuries to two police officers is dead inside the home on Zephyr, off of Big Bend.


<LI itxtvisited="1">A backhoe was brought to the scene to go through the debris around 7 a.m. Tuesday. The digging stopped at 8:30 a.m. and investigators moved-in and seemed to focus on the front of the home.
Maplewood Mayor Mark Langston said investigators will be looking for evidence and human remains.



[URL]http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=150503&catid=3 (http://www.tkqlhce.com/click-2669228-10467854)

Hope they find him. I'd hate for him to be running around the neighborhood where I work. :eek: They also said on one of the news stories that he had blacked out windows in his house. I bet he had really creeped out the neighbors. Too bad someone didn't put in a little inquiry with the cops about him earlier. But that old hindsight is always so brilliant, part of the would of, could of, should have routine.

SaintLouieWoman
07-22-2008, 04:28 PM
Update---they found the body. Yay! Now I won't have to be so frightened the nut might run into our office. It's really not too far.

http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=150503&catid=3

Police: Body and Gun Found in Burned-Out Maplewood Home




http://www.ksdk.com/graphics/bullet1.gif 3 mins ago

KSDK -- St. Louis County Police confirm a body and a long-barreled gun were found in the rubble of a burned-out home, which has been the target of an investigation into a deadly shooting Monday in Maplewood, eight miles west of St. Louis.
Tracy Panus, a spokeswoman, with the police department said investigators will use dental records to identify the body, which could take several days.

SaintLouieWoman
07-23-2008, 03:55 PM
Police Identify Body in Burned Out Maplewood Home


http://www.ksdk.com/graphics/bullet1.gif 2 mins ago KSDK -- St. Louis County Police identified a body found inside a burned out home in a Maplewood neighborhood where a deadly shooting had taken place days earlier.
Authorities have confirmed the body to be of 52-year-old Mark J. Knobbe, the primary suspect in the shooting, according to Tracy Panus, a spokesperson for the county police department.
NewsChannel 5 will have more information on this story as details become available.



http://www.ksdk.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=150617&catid=40

I guess that's it; he's identified. I wonder if they'll ever figure out what happened. On one of the local stations, they mentioned that he was angry with the city over requests to clean out his messy back yard. Talk about a bit of overreaction.

I vaguely remember seeing him some years ago, when I had made a sales call to the STL Art Museum, where he had been employed for 20 years. The sad thing is that I think that I know 2 of his relatives from my volunteer work at the zoo. They're a nice family; I guess all families have a black sheep, but he's now a very toasty, charred black sheep. Sorry, a bit too sick.

SaintLouieWoman
07-24-2008, 05:39 PM
It was announced that witnesses (I'm sure the neighbors) stated they heard gunfire after the fireman was killed and police shot. The "suspect" committed suicide before the flames entirely engulfed the house. A neighbor stated that he saw the guy put wood in the back of his pickup and then set it on fire. He rolled the car across the street, then ran back into the house after setting up his ambush. They found the gun that he had used in the killings and the other one that he had used to shoot himself. He apparently set his own house on fire using clothes, etc. right before he shot himself. Talk about an elaborate suicide.

It was very sad today. I drove by the city hall, with all kinds of bouquets of flowers around the flagpole. Then I drove further down Manchester Road. There was a huge flag suspended from a cable over the street. Police officers were on the center line of the street, across from the tiny funeral parlor. There were fire vehicles from all over the metro area in the parking lot. Apparently the funeral services are there today, with the burial tomorrow.

We all should think of the debt of gratitude we have to the firemen and police who protect us.