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bijou
11-05-2009, 03:43 PM
At least seven people have been killed and 12 others injured in a shooting at the Fort Hood military base in Texas, according to US media reports.
One person has been arrested and a second is on the run, ABC news reports. It said the base had been locked down. ...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8345713.stm

jendf
11-05-2009, 03:49 PM
I feel sick reading this. :(

GrumpyOldLady
11-05-2009, 03:51 PM
I was stationed there.
2nd armored division and then III corps.
Was the shooting on base or was it in Killeen?
Any more news?

bijou
11-05-2009, 03:56 PM
I was stationed there.
2nd armored division and then III corps.
Was the shooting on base or was it in Killeen?
Any more news?

It was at the base, there aren't many more details yet

...There are reports one gunman is in custody and another is still on the loose.

MSNBC says the two suspects were in military uniform.

Another media report says there was a third shooter involved.

The attack happened at the Soldier Readiness Centre at Fort Hood, according to the FOX 4 television station....

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26312336-401,00.html

Teetop
11-05-2009, 04:33 PM
7 dead, 20 injured, two scumbags in custody... (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/)

expat-pattaya
11-05-2009, 04:40 PM
The news isn't saying who was responsible. Terrorists? What?

Can't think of any other reason for a one way attack like that. I only wish we had the brains to try, find guilt or innocence, and in this case execute the guilty immediately. We shouldn't allow these assholes the luxury of anything more than being martyrs within days of conviction :mad:

Gingersnap
11-05-2009, 04:43 PM
Good Lord - Fox is saying that 30 people were wounded. :mad:

bijou
11-05-2009, 04:54 PM
Army confirming 12 dead now. (Fox alert)

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 05:11 PM
Up to 13 dead 35 wounded. Pres. 0 was on talking about it. Get this, only Fox was covering it, no one else was!

Gingersnap
11-05-2009, 05:15 PM
Up to 13 dead 35 wounded. Pres. 0 was on talking about it. Get this, only Fox was covering it, no one else was!

As soon as they can pin it on deployment stress they sure will.........no, I guess that would only work for the Chimpy McHitler era. :o

Apache
11-05-2009, 05:17 PM
I hope this was a domestic job and not some terrorist strike. I wonder how the White House will spin this...


Does anyone have any more details on the scumbags?

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 05:18 PM
As soon as they can pin it on deployment stress they sure will.........no, I guess that would only work for the Chimpy McHitler era. :o
They already are.


Fort Hood is home to the Warrior Combat Stress Reset Program, which is designed to help soldiers overcome combat stress issues.



In June, Fort Hood's commander, Lt. Gen. Rick Lynch, told CNN that he was trying to ease the kind of stresses soldiers face. He has pushed for soldiers working a day schedule to return home for dinner by 6 p.m., and required his personal authorization for anyone working weekends. At the time, two soldiers stationed there had committed suicide in 2009 -- a rate well below those of other posts.


http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html?section=cnn_latest

stsinner
11-05-2009, 05:20 PM
There are 12 dead as of now...

Teetop
11-05-2009, 05:23 PM
The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938)

G_d damn Amish again! :rolleyes:

Gingersnap
11-05-2009, 05:24 PM
The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938)

G_d damn Amish again! :rolleyes:

They do not make it easy to avoid the stereotyping, do they? :rolleyes:

stsinner
11-05-2009, 05:24 PM
The suspected gunman was identified as Major Malik Nadal Hasan. (http://abcnews.go.com/WN/soldiers-killed-fort-hood-shooting/story?id=9007938)

G_d damn Amish again! :rolleyes:

I, for one, am SHOCKED! I wonder how much longer we're going to tolerate the enemy within?

Eagle
11-05-2009, 05:38 PM
Didn't they recently grab some peaceful followers of islam (small case unpurpose) for planing an attack on Fort Dix in New Jersey? Yaaay!!! go Obama (you asshole)

JB
11-05-2009, 05:42 PM
That base sounds familiar. Is gator's boy there? Anyone know.

AlmostThere
11-05-2009, 05:54 PM
I'll tell you what I miss about having a real president. Republican or Democrat, if a tragic event occurred that warranted comments from them, who ever was president treated the event with the proper decorum. I caught Zero's comments a few minutes ago. He began with "I'd like to give a shout-out to ...". The shout-out was to someone there with him, not someone at Ft Hood. The man is just an embarrassment.

Teetop
11-05-2009, 06:07 PM
I'll tell you what I miss about having a real president. Republican or Democrat, if a tragic event occurred that warranted comments from them, who ever was president treated the event with the proper decorum. I caught Zero's comments a few minutes ago. He began with "I'd like to give a shout-out to ...". The shout-out was to someone there with him, not someone at Ft Hood. The man is just an embarrassment.

He what?!

What an effin' clown. :mad:

Apache
11-05-2009, 06:14 PM
I'll tell you what I miss about having a real president. Republican or Democrat, if a tragic event occurred that warranted comments from them, who ever was president treated the event with the proper decorum. I caught Zero's comments a few minutes ago. He began with "I'd like to give a shout-out to ...". The shout-out was to someone there with him, not someone at Ft Hood. The man is just an embarrassment.

Hey, he campaigned on "change", remember? :mad:

Obumble is an asshat though and though...

stsinner
11-05-2009, 06:14 PM
He what?!

What an effin' clown. :mad:

Oh, yeah.. Not only was he about two minutes into his speech before he even saw fit to mention the shootings, he chose to mention that he would be talking about the difficulties of Native Americans before mentioning the shooting.. He's a real piece of work..

Speedy
11-05-2009, 06:27 PM
I have never seen a leader so far over his head than this guy.

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 06:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM

Apache
11-05-2009, 06:38 PM
They aren't going to give us the full details of this shooting...:mad:
There's way too much non-PC here...dammit:mad:

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 07:02 PM
Bit more;

http://www.military.com/news/article/report-fort-hood-shooting-leaves-7-dead.html

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkkqZ_NK5doARCrQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjcXBoZjE wBHBvcwMzBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=12k7cmt45/EXP=1257552042/**http%3a//www.armytimes.com/news/2009/11/army_shooting_hood_110509/

Fort Hood web page.
http://www.hood.army.mil/

Rockntractor
11-05-2009, 07:08 PM
Oh, yeah.. Not only was he about two minutes into his speech before he even saw fit to mention the shootings, he chose to mention that he would be talking about the difficulties of Native Americans before mentioning the shooting.. He's a real piece of work..

I think the proper expression would be PIECE OF SHIT!

linda22003
11-05-2009, 07:08 PM
Fox is reporting that Hasan was born in Va. and went to.... Virginia Tech. Nice connection. :cool:

stsinner
11-05-2009, 07:31 PM
What a fucking piece of shit!! Any President who cared about his country and the brave men and women who protect it would have been so enraged that they couldn't stand there and blithely ignore the tradgedy while talking about the worthless matter of the difficulties of Native Americans... What a stupid bastard. And to address the tragedy so late in the speech, absolutely infuriating!

Speedy
11-05-2009, 07:36 PM
What infuriates me about this asshat that we have acting as President, is that he believes gestures are enough. This idiot reminds me of that movie Gladiator where the corrupt Prince Commodus makes some small gesture and want to be know far and wide for it. "Am I not merciful?"

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 07:39 PM
Just announced, the two that was detained, have been released.

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 07:51 PM
HOLY SHIT!

He was part of Obama's transition team!


Nidal Hasan
Uniformed Services University School of Medicine

http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

linda22003
11-05-2009, 07:59 PM
HOLY SHIT! Way to totally get it wrong!
He is on the list of attendees at this meeting at HSPI, which is part of George Washington University. I have been on the list of attendees at a couple of meetings at HSPI.

It doesn't make me a lady in waiting to the Queen of England.

Seriously, you didn't read a word of it, did you?

SarasotaRepub
11-05-2009, 07:59 PM
Shep was talking to a relative of this POS. The relative said he was
a good American. :rolleyes:

POS didn't want to be deployed to the SandBox. He was trying to get
out of the military.

They are reporting the lockdown at Ft. Hood is over.

JackKetch
11-05-2009, 08:01 PM
HOLY SHIT!

He was part of Obama's transition team!


http://www.gwumc.edu/hspi/old/PTTF_ProceedingsReport_05.19.09.pdf

i didn't see his name, got tired of scrolling. . . was it near the beginning or the end of the report?

i did notice an 'abdullah ansary, independent scholar' listed near the very top, left column.

linda22003
11-05-2009, 08:03 PM
i didn't see his name, got tired of scrolling. . . was it near the beginning or the end of the report?

i did notice an 'abdullah ansary, independent scholar' listed near the very top, left column.

He got it completely wrong, don't pay any attention. He was on a list of attendees at that meeting at GW. To that poster, it suddenly made him a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. :rolleyes:

Rockntractor
11-05-2009, 08:19 PM
He got it completely wrong, don't pay any attention. He was on a list of attendees at that meeting at GW. To that poster, it suddenly made him a member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. :rolleyes:

What is GW?

Jfor
11-05-2009, 08:33 PM
What is GW?

George Washington is all I can think of.

GrumpyOldLady
11-05-2009, 08:35 PM
First words out of the White House were 'not terrorist related' ... 'terrorism not even being discussed'.

:mad:

It sure in all hell was a terrorist act.
The muslim guy went around praising insurgents and denouncing America's military.
(reported by FOX news ... interview with one of his coworkers.)
Then he shoots up a US Military installation.
That makes him a freak'n muslim terrorist.

linda22003
11-05-2009, 08:37 PM
What is GW?

As I said in a previous post, HSPI, the report he pulled up but did not read, is part of George Washington University.

RobJohnson
11-05-2009, 09:14 PM
As soon as they can pin it on deployment stress they sure will.........no, I guess that would only work for the Chimpy McHitler era. :o

A co-worker's wife called to tell him about the shooting, he repeated her words "thank you Mr. Bush."

Apocalypse
11-05-2009, 09:23 PM
U.S. & World Newshttp://cdn.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_rss.gif (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/rss)
Army: Fort Hood shooter still alive

Updated at 09:17 PM today

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkpgiPNKvYgAQzLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZ yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=13vbr4jbt/EXP=1257560544/**http%3a//abclocal.go.com/wabc/story%3fsection=news/national_world%26id=7103551%26rss=rss-wabc-article-7103551

RobJohnson
11-05-2009, 09:26 PM
U.S. & World Newshttp://cdn.abclocal.go.com/static/art/global/icon_rss.gif (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/rss)
Army: Fort Hood shooter still alive

Updated at 09:17 PM today

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTTkpgiPNKvYgAQzLQtDMD;_ylu=X3oDMTBjMHZkMjZ yBHBvcwMxBHNlYwNzcg--/SIG=13vbr4jbt/EXP=1257560544/**http%3a//abclocal.go.com/wabc/story%3fsection=news/national_world%26id=7103551%26rss=rss-wabc-article-7103551

Soon he will admit to his White House connections. :D

Rockntractor
11-05-2009, 09:32 PM
Soon he will admit to his White House connections. :D

If it were true they would just say it was another person with the same name.

RobJohnson
11-06-2009, 12:08 AM
If it were true they would just say it was another person with the same name.

It's all part of the cover up!

Sonnabend
11-06-2009, 02:18 AM
Latest reports here say the man was trying to get out of the Army,. was angry at "being forced to go to Iraq" and had been "harassed"

Iraq was invaded in 2003. Any imbecile with two IQ points knows army = Iraq.

He was "harassed"...so he took two handguns (which btw are not permitted on base" so we have yet ANOTHER shooting in a gun free zone), and murdered twelve people.

"forced to go to Iraq?"

As a workmate whose brother went to Iraq and came back said "The Army will tell you where to go and when, you dont get to pick your duty, you follow orders"

I wish this scumbag HAD deserted...twelve people would still be alive. :mad::mad:

RobJohnson
11-06-2009, 02:24 AM
Latest reports here say the man was trying to get out of the Army,. was angry at "being forced to go to Iraq" and had been "harassed"

Iraq was invaded in 2003. Any imbecile with two IQ points knows army = Iraq.

He was "harassed"...so he took two handguns (which btw are not permitted on base" so we have yet ANOTHER shooting in a gun free zone), and murdered twelve people.

"forced to go to Iraq?"

As a workmate whose brother went to Iraq and came back said "The Anmy will tell you where to go and when, you dont get to pick your duty, you follow orders"

I wish this scumbag HAD deserted...twelve people would still be alive. :mad::mad:

Good points.

After a few nights in jail, he will be wishing he was in Iraq.

Sonnabend
11-06-2009, 02:56 AM
"We've known over the last five years that was probably his worst nightmare," he said.

He joined after the invasion. He knew full well what he was getting into. The media are spinning the PTSD meme...he hadnt been deployed as yet.

AlmostThere
11-06-2009, 06:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM

What adds icing to the cake is the guy he gave the shout out to, Dr. Joe Medicine Crow, he referred to as a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. He is not. He received the Medal of Freedom which Obama had given him recently.

RobJohnson
11-06-2009, 07:18 AM
What adds icing to the cake is the guy he gave the shout out to, Dr. Joe Medicine Crow, he referred to as a Congressional Medal of Honor winner. He is not. He received the Medal of Freedom which Obama had given him recently.

Are you kidding, Obama was wrong? :eek:

Perilloux
11-06-2009, 07:36 AM
It was at the base, there aren't many more details yet


http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26312336-401,00.html


You're at Fort Hood? My sister and her husband are stationed there. Fortunately they left early yesterday. Missed the shooting by about 10 minutes.

GrumpyOldLady
11-06-2009, 08:38 AM
Islam Watch (http://www.islam-watch.org/iw-new/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=239:sudden-jihadi-syndrome-muslim-army-psychiatrist-kills-13-in-soldiers-texas&catid=65:khan&Itemid=58)


A Muslim army psychiatrist burst into a bout of Jihadi fit, shooting at soldiers lined up for signing for deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan, killing 12 and wounding 31. It appears to another perfect case of the familiar "Sudden Jihadi Syndrome" among Muslims...

Sudden Jihadi Syndrome ... yep.

Gingersnap
11-06-2009, 09:57 AM
Sudden Jihadi Syndrome ... yep.

Is that like the Twinkie defense only with extended mags and "Allāhu Akbar"?

I want each and every person who even touched this guy's fitreps to be investigated. I want to know what is wrong with military culture so that people feared to discuss this guy's admiration for militant Islam with his superiors. I want to know why none of this guy's colleagues in the Psych Dept. noticed that he was giving away all his stuff. :mad:

GrumpyOldLady
11-06-2009, 10:51 AM
I want to know why none of this guy's colleagues in the Psych Dept. noticed that he was giving away all his stuff. :mad:

I want to know why the MSM isn't calling this what it is ... terrorism. :mad:

Gingersnap
11-06-2009, 11:01 AM
I want to know why the MSM isn't calling this what it is ... terrorism. :mad:

Because only people living in foreign countries and funded by foreign money can be "terrorists". Everybody else who terrorizes people for religious or political purposes is mentally ill, misguided, or reacting expectedly to the destructive hegemony of post-colonial Western culture.

Rockntractor
11-06-2009, 11:16 AM
Because only people living in foreign countries and funded by foreign money can be "terrorists". Everybody else who terrorizes people for religious or political purposes is mentally ill, misguided, or reacting expectedly to the destructive hegemony of post-colonial Western culture.

And all we can do is sit by helplessly and watch as our country dissolves in front of us!

AlmostThere
11-06-2009, 01:06 PM
And all we can do is sit by helplessly and watch as our country dissolves in front of us!
I hope that feeling like all we can do is sit and watch is some satisfaction to us when our country is actually gone. I know I'll be pretty damn ashamed when my kids ask me why I didn't do more to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but if all we do is watch it happen without putting up some kind of fight, then we deserve exactly what we'll get.

Rockntractor
11-06-2009, 01:13 PM
I hope that feeling like all we can do is sit and watch is some satisfaction to us when our country is actually gone. I know I'll be pretty damn ashamed when my kids ask me why I didn't do more to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but if all we do is watch it happen without putting up some kind of fight, then we deserve exactly what we'll get.
So far the Obama train keeps rolling forward. The only peaceful solution I can think of other than talk is a tax strike.

Speedy
11-06-2009, 01:18 PM
I hope that feeling like all we can do is sit and watch is some satisfaction to us when our country is actually gone. I know I'll be pretty damn ashamed when my kids ask me why I didn't do more to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but if all we do is watch it happen without putting up some kind of fight, then we deserve exactly what we'll get.

We were too afraid to be called a bigot. We did not want to admit to ourselves that some peoples, some beliefs, some religions, some ideologies are completely incompatible with the American way of life. America is what it is. Being an American is what it is. Maybe it is time we realized that America cannot be all things to all people. We have allowed foreigners to reside in our country who would not hesitate to take up arms against the US should war breakout between their country and America. We have allowed religions to thrive that demand loyalty to theology over and above loyalty to America. We have killed America ourselves on the alter of PC.

lacarnut
11-06-2009, 01:20 PM
I hope that feeling like all we can do is sit and watch is some satisfaction to us when our country is actually gone. I know I'll be pretty damn ashamed when my kids ask me why I didn't do more to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but if all we do is watch it happen without putting up some kind of fight, then we deserve exactly what we'll get.

We have a shot at turning this train wreck around with the 2010 elections. We are not as bad off as the Carter years but we are headed that way.

AlmostThere
11-06-2009, 02:33 PM
We have a shot at turning this train wreck around with the 2010 elections. We are not as bad off as the Carter years but we are headed that way.
I got out of the Army in 76 so I wasn't exactly a kid when Carter was Prez. I remember that inflation and interest rates were off the charts under Carter. IMHO, life under Carter was the good old days compared to what we face now. It never crossed my mind that we might not survive Carter. I wish I could say the same of Obama/Reid/Pelosi.

AlmostThere
11-06-2009, 02:43 PM
So far the Obama train keeps rolling forward. The only peaceful solution I can think of other than talk is a tax strike.

With the vast majority of Americans drawing a paycheck from an employer, the average American has no control of his tax contribution. So I could be made as hell and refuse to take it anymore but if my boss is afraid to fight, my outrage is totally wasted.

JB
11-06-2009, 07:46 PM
My sister and her husband are stationed there. Fortunately they left early yesterday. Missed the shooting by about 10 minutes.Good to hear Peri.

stsinner
11-06-2009, 09:17 PM
I hope that Muslim pig survives his ordeal just long enough to be told that it was a woman that pumped 4 rounds into his ass and then dies a slow, painful death with that news to gnaw on....

Rockntractor
11-06-2009, 09:20 PM
I hope that Muslim pig survives his ordeal just long enough to be told that it was a woman that pumped 4 rounds into his ass and then dies a slow, painful death with that news to gnaw on....
Well I guess thats one cheery thought to hang onto!:D

stsinner
11-06-2009, 09:21 PM
Well I guess thats one cheery thought to hang onto!:D

Did I mention that my wife gave birth to our third daughter, Madison, today? Was debating making a thread....

Rockntractor
11-06-2009, 09:27 PM
Did I mention that my wife gave birth to our third daughter, Madison, today? Was debating making a thread....

Congratulations!:D You need a thread with a pic and the specifications.

Apocalypse
11-09-2009, 01:17 AM
Full list of the fallen and a slide show of them.

The slide show and complete background on those slain is here (http://tinyurl.com/ykuqnks)

Chief Warrant Officer Michael Grant Cahill (Ret.)(62), Cameron, Texas
Maj. Libardo Eduardo Caraveo (52), Woodbridge, Virginia
Army Staff Sgt. Justin DeCrow (32), Plymouth, Indiana
Capt. John Gaffaney (56), San Diego, California
Spc. Frederick Greene (29), Mountain City, Tennessee
Spc. Jason Dean Hunt (22), Tipton, Oklahoma
Sgt. Amy Krueger (29), Kiel, Wisconsin
Pfc. Aaron Thomas Nemelka (19), West Jordan, Utah
Pfc. Michael Pearson (22), Bolingbrook, Illinois
Capt. Russell Seager (51), Racine, Wisconsin
Pvt. Francheska Velez (21), Chicago, Illinois
Lt. Col. Juanita L. Warman (55), Havre De Grace, Maryland
Spc. Kham Xiong (23), St. Paul, MinnesotaRIP

GrumpyOldLady
11-09-2009, 06:30 AM
They'd better charge him with 12 counts of murder, 30 counts of attempted murder AND TERRORISM.
If they leave off the terrorism charge that would be WRONG.

CueSi
11-10-2009, 02:26 AM
They'd better charge him with 12 counts of murder, 30 counts of attempted murder AND TERRORISM.
If they leave off the terrorism charge that would be WRONG.

13. Pvt. Pelez was pregnant and going home on leave to have the child.

~QC

SaintLouieWoman
11-10-2009, 08:13 AM
I hope that feeling like all we can do is sit and watch is some satisfaction to us when our country is actually gone. I know I'll be pretty damn ashamed when my kids ask me why I didn't do more to stop it. I don't know what the answer is, but if all we do is watch it happen without putting up some kind of fight, then we deserve exactly what we'll get.

When many of the Germans did nothing to stop the rise of Nazism, they were scorned by the world after the fact. They sat on their hands, figuratively said "What could we do?" Are we doing the same thing with our silence?

I get in a constant argument with a friend who says that there's nothing she can do. She won't call her congressman, won't participate in any way to make her convictions (if she has any) known about how we're going down the slippery slope. She's not unusual, and I feel sometimes that I'm too hard on her. But if everyone feels that way, just sits there without uttering a word, we'll deserve what's around the corner.

malloc
11-10-2009, 08:55 PM
They'd better charge him with 12 counts of murder, 30 counts of attempted murder AND TERRORISM.
If they leave off the terrorism charge that would be WRONG.




This may be dated, but this is the FBI definition of terrorism:


The unlawful use of force or violence against persons or property to intimidate or coerce a Government, the civilian population, or any segment thereof, in furtherance of political or social objectives.


I hesitate to call him a terrorist just because he's Muslim. If his religious preference is the only evidence of terrorism offered, then a prosecutor won't get that conviction and will likely not press that charge.

I guess it really comes down to intent and motive. I haven't read anything substantial on Hasan's motive. I think everyone is just speculating right now. If his motive was to sway U.S. or government policy through acts of violence, then yes, he is a terrorist and should be charged as one. However, I've also read that he was moon-bat crazy, and deathly afraid of deploying to Afghanistan. If his motive to kill is attributed to his moon-bat craziness and cowardice, then he is not a terrorist regardless of religious preference. I mean if he was so deathly afraid of deployment that he went off the deep end and committed this crime because of it, then it would be the same as if the murderer were atheist, Jewish, or Christian.

Now, if he's moon-bat crazy, a coward, and attempting to influence U.S. policy through acts of violence, then I think the prosecutor should also count terrorism and let the case be sorted by the courts and jury, unless a plea of guilty is made.

Don't think I'm going soft on him. I hope he's tried, convicted, fried and burns in hell for eternity. However, the facts must speak for themselves. If the prosecution cannot prove that Hasan had any intent to sway U.S. policy through his actions, and he's convicted of terrorism regardless, that could be a dangerous precedent, and certainly wouldn't be the way our system of justice is designed to work.

Big Guy
11-10-2009, 09:11 PM
Okay, if he is not a Terrorist then he is at the least a traitor who has given aid and comfort to the enemy, and he (An Army Officer) attacked U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base before they could be deployed to the war zone to fight terrorists.

This is not a civilian criminal matter so the CID should be handeling this with aid from the FBI. He should face a Military tribunal not a civilian court. Civilian Laws are not for this case, it should be the UCMJ.

malloc
11-11-2009, 05:28 AM
Okay, if he is not a Terrorist then he is at the least a traitor who has given aid and comfort to the enemy, and he (An Army Officer) attacked U.S. soldiers on a U.S. base before they could be deployed to the war zone to fight terrorists.

This is not a civilian criminal matter so the CID should be handeling this with aid from the FBI. He should face a Military tribunal not a civilian court. Civilian Laws are not for this case, it should be the UCMJ.

I agree on treason, and I'm surprised I haven't heard that word uttered. The only way it couldn't be treason would be if he is, in fact, completely crazy and not aware of the reality of his actions.

I also agree that the UCMJ should be the authority here, but under which name should the trial be convened? Should it be a court martial, which is used to try criminals who wear our flag, or a tribunal which is used to try enemy combatants as criminals?

Here's what I hope. I hope the system works in this case. If hard evidence is found which ties this individual 's actions to the legal definition of terrorism, then he should be tried as a murderer, terrorist and traitor. I hope that in the event such evidence is found, the prosecutor moves forward with the terrorist and traitor language regardless of how bad it makes the White House, the Pentagon, the FBI or Homeland Security look. However, if no real evidence of political, social, or religious motivation is found than I hope he isn't tried as a terrorist or traitor on the basis of his religion alone. What would that do to other soldiers who happen to be Muslim? In other words, like any good conservative, I hope for equal application of the law, not based on religious accusations, but based on facts in evidence.

Big Guy
11-11-2009, 07:41 AM
The system will only work in the politicians stay out of it. I believe the UCMJ will call for him to be Court Martialed for treason if they find this falls in the definition of terrorism set fourth by the UCMJ. At any rate his crime definately falls into the definition of murder, which is punishable by death according to the UCMJ I used to study.

AmPat
11-11-2009, 12:03 PM
I agree on treason, and I'm surprised I haven't heard that word uttered. The only way it couldn't be treason would be if he is, in fact, completely crazy and not aware of the reality of his actions.

I also agree that the UCMJ should be the authority here, but under which name should the trial be convened? Should it be a court martial, which is used to try criminals who wear our flag, or a tribunal which is used to try enemy combatants as criminals?
Here's what I hope. I hope the system works in this case. If hard evidence is found which ties this individual 's actions to the legal definition of terrorism, then he should be tried as a murderer, terrorist and traitor. I hope that in the event such evidence is found, the prosecutor moves forward with the terrorist and traitor language regardless of how bad it makes the White House, the Pentagon, the FBI or Homeland Security look. However, if no real evidence of political, social, or religious motivation is found than I hope he isn't tried as a terrorist or traitor on the basis of his religion alone. What would that do to other soldiers who happen to be Muslim? In other words, like any good conservative, I hope for equal application of the law, not based on religious accusations, but based on facts in evidence.

I say we let the murderous swine decide. He stated that he was muslim first and American second. That puts him firmly in the Tribunal arena. Fair is fair. He wants to be seen as a muslim, grant him his wish and then hang him.:mad:

PoliCon
11-11-2009, 06:15 PM
I heard on the radio today that one of the women shot was pregnant. It's 14 deaths in that case.

Sweetpea
11-12-2009, 12:45 AM
The Constitution of the United States is difinative regarding the charge of Treason. Having gone back and re-educated myself on this definition of Treason, it is clear to me, Major Nidal Malik Hasan is indeed worthy of the charge of Treason. Major Hasan, as an Officer in the United States Army, had a duty to uphold and a country he had sworn to protect and defend. Instead, Major Hasan sought out our nation's enemies in our War on Terror by contacting a known terrorist representative/recruiter, Anwar Al Awlaki. The following quote is from Aljazeera (a middle eastern newspaper also printed in English): "Al-Awlaki left the US in 2002, eventually travelling to Yemen, but his whereabouts have not been known since he was released from a Yemeni jail last year. He is on Yemen's most-wanted list, according to Yemeni security officials." There was NO need for Major Hasan to contact a known international terrorist, unless he had prior permission or orders to do so. Instead Army Major Nidal Malik Hasan, armed himself and attacked the Ft. Hood Army Post, killing 13 UNARMED FELLOW SERVICE MEN AND WOMEN, ONE OF WHOM WAS PREGNANT. After Major Hasan had waged his attack on Ft. Hood, Al-Awlaki congratulated him on the internet and called him a hero (I did not actually see this posting, but I did see where the site has been removed from the internet). This case of Treason is clear cut and I am certain there are far more than 2 witnesses to this fact. It is also fact that he premeditatidley murdered 12 unarmed service members and 1 civilian and wounded about 30 others. Let us all be clear, this does NOT make Major Nidal Milak Hasan a "terrorist," IT MAKES HIM A TRAITOR AND A MURDERER. As Americans, lets not judge all Muslims by this Traitor, for it would seem that even "Allah" did not want him and has left him to be TRIED by those he BETRAYED. I hope all Americans will hold President Obama to his words, "the killer will be met with justice in this world and the next." I HOPE THIS MEANS HE WILL NOT HESITATE IN SIGNING HASAN'S DEATH WARRANT and seek to carry out his execution swiftly.

GrumpyOldLady
11-12-2009, 06:55 AM
If his religious preference is the only evidence of terrorism offered, .
Just being a muslim would have nothing to do with it.
He TERRORIZED the soldiers and civilians of Fort Hood.
This was premeditated. He planned it for at least 2 weeks.
There was no 'snapping'.
He wanted Americans dead.
He wanted to encourage Jihad against America.
Legally terrorism is defined as 2 or more acts against the gov't in order to change it.
(something like that).
He had 43 acts against it and, yes, he wanted policy changed.
He's been preaching change of policy for years.

Terrorism fits.

As was said on TV this morning .. if he had used a suicide bomb instead of guns
would it then be called terrorism? He did the same thing as light off a suicide bomb.

AlmostThere
11-12-2009, 09:34 AM
They are already laying the groundwork for his insanity defense.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120313570