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Junebug68
07-22-2008, 11:00 PM
I'm getting a little dizzy from all the spin here! :eek:


givemebackmycountry (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:05 PM
Original message
Little help here....Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident.
Advertisements [?]Guy that works for me threw the "Teddy Kennedy should be in jail for the Chappaquiddick incident" line at me tonight.
Lady had a knot on her head, he left her for a day or so before he actually 'fessed up etc...

Can anyone direct me to a place that actually explains what happened that night, so I can shut his ass up?


He let her die. Very simple DUmmy.


ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:08 PM
Response to Original message
1. He probably should be, but other politicians have done a lot worse. Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 11:09 PM by ryanmuegge
Like the guy that killed thousands of civilians in Iraq. Cheney should be in jail for shooting that dude in the face. Bush should be in jail for insider trading (the Harken incident).

So "insider trading" is worse??????????? Bah, my head hurts!


alyce douglas (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #46
49. yes, that was the thread I was thinking about
could have been a "set up" for Teddy that nite. I wouldn't put anything past these thugs.


lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:11 PM
Response to Original message
4. Ignorant fuckers will drone on no matter what you show them.

Lex (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:17 PM
Response to Original message
12. Did you ask "HOW IS THIS RELEVANT to what's going on TODAY?"
Jesus H. that was 40 years ago.

Is that ALL they got?

Pot, meet kettle.

But some of them have half a brain:


Skittles (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:12 PM
Response to Original message
5. had he not been rich he probably would have gone to jail
Edited on Mon Jul-21-08 11:12 PM by Skittles
his actions following that incident seemed to be with his career in mind and not her welfare

Beacool (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:02 AM
Response to Reply #14
37. What Teddy did is inexcusable.
Accidents do happen, but he let that girl drown without reporting the accident until the following morning. As it turns out, the poor girl was alive in an air pocket for quite a while. She died a terrible death. I sometimes have wondered if Teddy ever thinks of what he did that night and regrets not having gotten help right away. He covered his butt (he was driving drunk), but the ensuing scandal prevented him from ever becoming president.


They'll believe anything to validate their little hero. :rolleyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3656265

FDK
07-22-2008, 11:05 PM
givemebackmycountry (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:05 PM
Original message
Little help here....Ted Kennedy and the Chappaquiddick incident.

I need to shut up a rethug co-worker who is spewing truth about Ted Kennedy. I need some lies and spin from my fellow DUmmies so that I can look even DUmber than your average lbieral.


Fixerated. :D

megimoo
07-22-2008, 11:06 PM
I'm getting a little dizzy from all the spin here! :eek:



He let her die. Very simple DUmmy.



So "insider trading" is worse??????????? Bah, my head hurts!





Pot, meet kettle.

But some of them have half a brain:



They'll believe anything to validate their little hero. :rolleyes:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3656265One of the things that got me was that he showed up at her funeral wearing a neck collar as if he were injured in the incident just to cover his ass !

Sonnabend
07-23-2008, 04:38 AM
Bush should be in jail for insider trading (the Harken incident).

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jul/10/qanda.usa


What did the SEC report say?

The SEC report, dated August 21 1991, said that staff had reviewed thousands of pages of documents, interviewed witnesses and met lawyers for Harken and Mr Bush. It concluded that there was insufficient evidence to determine that Mr Bush had any inside information or advance knowledge of Harken's losses. The SEC recommended that the matter be closed.

As usual, what we have are DUmmie allegations and no proof. Yet another "crime" that does not exist.

Carol
07-23-2008, 10:18 AM
Just amazing!!

Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:14 AM
Response to Original message
39. Mary Jo Kopechne should never have gotten into the car with him as far as I'm concerned
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 02:19 AM by Hippo_Tron
If he had killed an innocent bystander then yes he should've gone to jail. But my parents always taught me that if you get into a car with a drunk driver, it's your own damn fault if anything happens to you. I think that falls pretty well in line with the Republican value of personal responsibility.

defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #39
116. First, Mary Jo Kopechne didn't drink -- NEVER -- so that should raise your suspicions .. .
though your advice about not getting into a car with a drunk is sound ---

However, it may have been E. Howard Hunt driving the car --- not Ted Kennedy ---


http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToAchp7.html


Richard Sprague was set to reinvestigate all of the political assassinations of the 1960's . . .

he would have been a real threat to the forces of evil at work.

His overall writings are called "The Taking of America 1-2-3" --

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/ToA/ToA.html

norepubsin08 (62 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:54 AM
Response to Original message
41. Mary Jo
was drunk and puled the wheel of the car and made it plunge into the water!!! She was working for the Republicans and they put a hit out on Ted.
As usual with the moonbats---"It's someone elses fault!!!"

MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 03:21 AM
Response to Original message
42. Well, the ratfuckers were actually trying to kill Ted there.
But they got the next best thing.

librechik (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
93. the case was adjudicated to the nth degree, simply because he was famous
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 02:40 PM by librechik
the judge found no reason to jail the man, and believe me, there was a lusty chorus of RWers, even then, who felt lynching was the answer for that particular accidental death. Meanwhile, Laura Bush kills her boyfriend in a car accident and gets away Scot free. Why should Ted pay if she didn't?

But why are they still raking over this 45 year old incident? It is because there are SO FEW democrat transgressions, in comparison to the lengthy list of Republican criminals and convicts. BTW, an accidental death is NOT CRIMINAL, and leaving the scene, while disoriented, is also not a crime. Meanwhile, Kissinger goes free after overseeing thousands of innocent deaths in East Timor. Bush Sr gets away with killing thousands in Central America over his tainted term--NOT ACCIDENTAL DEATHS, BUT "COLLATERAL DAMAGE" from deliberate attacks on our part.

Still, why bother. your conversation partner is obviously deluded and woefully misinformed, since he apparently hasn't read a newspaper since 1969. Did he hear about Rumsfeld ordering torture of innocents? OK to crush a child's testicles to force the parent to "confess?" We are supposed to drop that discussion and talk about an ancient incident because he can't stand talking about the endless crimes of his own side? Can we talk about this?http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/brows...
(Drunk Republican kills six in gross vehicular manslaughter) Or this?http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=302
(Republican convicted of illegal campaign contributions to Bush) Or this?http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/us/politics/07pennsyl...
(Republican, convicted in 80s bribery, endorses Giuliani)

I believe there were 56 convictions of corrupt politicians in Reagan's administration. Total for Clinton's two terms: 1.

What lame, pathetic cowards they all are. They have nothing positive to recommend them.
fed_up_mother (548 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:35 PM
Response to Reply #93
95. It's been brought up because it was the anniversary of the accident
Again, you can't compare the two. The accidents weren't the problem. Kennedy leaving the young woman to die was the problem.

However, I believe he's made amends in his own way.

And it will come up again every year as long as he lives, I suppose.

LibraryLady
07-23-2008, 10:26 AM
givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. D.U. is my Google and Wikipedia.

'cause I want the ridiculous version of the story.

FlaGator
07-23-2008, 12:40 PM
givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. D.U. is my Google and Wikipedia.

'cause I want the ridiculous version of the story.

That's odd because DU as always been my daily version of the 'Best of Saturday Night Live'... except for one thing...
http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/christopher_walken2.jpg

Elspeth
07-23-2008, 04:03 PM
I actually never heard the whole story. Was he drinking?

FDK
07-23-2008, 04:07 PM
I actually never heard the whole story. Was he drinking?

When is he not? :rolleyes:

FlaGator
07-23-2008, 04:13 PM
This isn't an official Chappaquiddick thread until someone posts the Aquaman comic book image.

Shannon
07-23-2008, 04:15 PM
This isn't an official Chappaquiddick thread until someone posts the Aquaman comic book image.

Wasn't that Daveman's job?

FlaGator
07-23-2008, 04:21 PM
Wasn't that Daveman's job?

Probably, but I'm sure someone here procured it and is willing to follow in Daveman's foot steps. (except for the RNG thing).

ralph wiggum
07-23-2008, 04:55 PM
This isn't an official Chappaquiddick thread until someone posts the Aquaman comic book image.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/chiefwiggum2005/ted_kennedy_aquaman.jpg

Sonnabend
07-23-2008, 04:57 PM
http://firstfriday.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/ted-kennedy-chappaquiddick.jpg

LibraryLady
07-23-2008, 05:27 PM
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/dtharman/VW.jpg

FDK
07-23-2008, 05:41 PM
One of my favorite bumper stickers:


http://www.stickergiant.com/imgs/250/xrg077.gif

FDK
07-23-2008, 05:43 PM
And here's Ted leaving Mary Jo's funeral. Wifey doesn't look too happy.


http://www.ytedk.com/neckbrace.jpg

Voice of Reason
07-23-2008, 07:32 PM
I actually never heard the whole story. Was he drinking?

Nobody knows, but it's a reasonable inference.

The whole story (and this is from memory, so I apologize for any errors): Ted and Mary Jo were both attending a party on the island. Ted was leaving, and Mary Jo asked for a ride to the ferry. At some point, Ted drove off a bridge which was nowhere near the ferry, nor on the way: it was in fact in the opposite direction from the ferry. The car submerged and inverted. Kennedy was able to escape. Mary Jo wasn't. Kennedy didn't bother to tell anybody about the accident for, I believe, 10 hours.

When they dragged the car out of the water, Mary Jo was found with her face pressed to the floor of the car (which would've been above her) as though she'd been breathing from a trapped air bubble waiting for a rescue which never came until she suffocated. Kennedy pleaded guilty to "leaving the scene of an accident." Later, a coroner's inquest ruled Mary Jo's death a homicide. Kennedy was never charged.

I think that's about it.

Shakespeare
07-23-2008, 08:03 PM
A very drunk girl got in a car with a very drunk famous politician and they had an accident. He was too f'd up to handle it and ran off. She drowned. He got off too lightly, probably because that's just how our "justice" system works. The right has tried to demonize everything 'left' by whispering or squealing 'Chappaquiddick!' every chance they got. The left has tried to demonize the 'right' by whispering or squealing 'they're bringing up Chappaquiddick!' every chance they got.

Good thing that girl died, or what would we have to use against each other regarding Ted Kennedy, eh?

Verbosus
07-23-2008, 08:21 PM
givemebackmycountry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Mon Jul-21-08 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #15
20. D.U. is my Google and Wikipedia.

My gosh! That poster really did say "D.U. is my Google and Wikipedia."
They really did.

Thanks for finding that LibraryLady. I'm amazed at the group think and stupidity over there.
Every time you think you have seen something that trumps all other stupidity - one 'alpha stupid'
will outperform the stupidity of those that came before them.

It is unbelievable.
Just think: Some of these people are on the streets driving cars.

FlaGator
07-23-2008, 09:29 PM
I was thinking of this one

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b26/flagator/Kennedy-Aquaman.jpg

Voice of Reason
07-23-2008, 11:29 PM
A very drunk girl got in a car with a very drunk famous politician

Really? Are you psychic? Do you have a time machine? If the answer to both of those is "no", then how do you know? Do you always leap to conclusions, or is this a special case?


Good thing that girl died, or what would we have to use against each other regarding Ted Kennedy, eh?

I'm sure politicians of all stripes would (and have) plenty of tar to throw at each other regardless of Mary Jo Kopechne. I will say, though, that "good thing that girl died" is among the more vile things I've heard this week.

AmPat
07-24-2008, 04:33 AM
Quote:
librechik (1000+ posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:32 PM
Response to Original message
93. the case was adjudicated to the nth degree, simply because he was famous
Edited on Tue Jul-22-08 02:40 PM by librechik
the judge found no reason to jail the man, and believe me, there was a lusty chorus of RWers, even then, who felt lynching was the answer for that particular accidental death. Meanwhile, Laura Bush kills her boyfriend in a car accident and gets away Scot free. Why should Ted pay if she didn't?

Laura was in a car accident in which a man died. The person in the car with Ted was drowned due to Ted's drunkeness and crime of leaving the scene of an accident.
That makes Ted Crimes=2 and Laura's = 0.



But why are they still raking over this 45 year old incident? It is because there are SO FEW democrat transgressions, in comparison to the lengthy list of Republican criminals and convicts. BTW, an accidental death is NOT CRIMINAL, and leaving the scene, while disoriented, is also not a crime. Meanwhile, Kissinger goes free after overseeing thousands of innocent deaths in East Timor. Bush Sr gets away with killing thousands in Central America over his tainted term--NOT ACCIDENTAL DEATHS, BUT "COLLATERAL DAMAGE" from deliberate attacks on our part.
Because there is an unpunished MURDER versus an accidental death. Thousands are killed in accidental deaths on our roads every year, none end in jail. On the other hand, thousands are killed on our roads every year due to crimes (vehicular homicide/DUI) and nearly 100% end in jail and/or some form of punishment. Ted falls into the last category yet no jail or punishment. CLEAR?


Still, why bother. your conversation partner is obviously deluded and woefully misinformed, since he apparently hasn't read a newspaper since 1969. Did he hear about Rumsfeld ordering torture of innocents? OK to crush a child's testicles to force the parent to "confess?" We are supposed to drop that discussion and talk about an ancient incident because he can't stand talking about the endless crimes of his own side? Can we talk about this?http://groups.google.com/group/talk.politics.misc/brows...
(Drunk Republican kills six in gross vehicular manslaughter) Or this?http://liberalvaluesblog.com/?p=302
(Republican convicted of illegal campaign contributions to Bush) Or this?http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/07/us/politics/07pennsyl...
(Republican, convicted in 80s bribery, endorses Giuliani)
POT-KETTLE-BLACK!

I believe there were 56 convictions of corrupt politicians in Reagan's administration. Total for Clinton's two terms: 1.
Convictions? "I believe" isn't the same as "it is a fact."


What lame, pathetic cowards they all are. They have nothing positive to recommend them.
I'll be your huckleberry! I'm not impressed with your arguments, try again later.:cool:

FlaGator
07-24-2008, 08:34 AM
Laura was in a car accident in which a man died. The person in the car with Ted was drowned due to Ted's drunkeness and crime of leaving the scene of an accident.
That makes Ted Crimes=2 and Laura's = 0.



Because there is an unpunished MURDER versus an accidental death. Thousands are killed in accidental deaths on our roads every year, none end in jail. On the other hand, thousands are killed on our roads every year due to crimes (vehicular homicide/DUI) and nearly 100% end in jail and/or some form of punishment. Ted falls into the last category yet no jail or punishment. CLEAR?


POT-KETTLE-BLACK!

Convictions? "I believe" isn't the same as "it is a fact."


I'll be your huckleberry! I'm not impressed with your arguments, try again later.:cool:

I have learned to translate "obviously deluded and misinformed" to mean "I am frustrated because I can't put up a valid argument for my position" when it comes from the mouth of a DUer. It seems to be a step above "I know you are but what am I?"

ReaganForRus
07-24-2008, 09:51 AM
Nobody knows, but it's a reasonable inference.

The whole story (and this is from memory, so I apologize for any errors): Ted and Mary Jo were both attending a party on the island. Ted was leaving, and Mary Jo asked for a ride to the ferry. At some point, Ted drove off a bridge which was nowhere near the ferry, nor on the way: it was in fact in the opposite direction from the ferry. The car submerged and inverted. Kennedy was able to escape. Mary Jo wasn't. Kennedy didn't bother to tell anybody about the accident for, I believe, 10 hours.

When they dragged the car out of the water, Mary Jo was found with her face pressed to the floor of the car (which would've been above her) as though she'd been breathing from a trapped air bubble waiting for a rescue which never came until she suffocated. Kennedy pleaded guilty to "leaving the scene of an accident." Later, a coroner's inquest ruled Mary Jo's death a homicide. Kennedy was never charged.

I think that's about it.

Ahem....Ted Kennedy.....Here is a site of interest, read and make your own conclusions

http://www.ytedk.com/

Shakespeare
07-24-2008, 03:02 PM
Really? Are you psychic? Do you have a time machine? If the answer to both of those is "no", then how do you know? Do you always leap to conclusions, or is this a special case?

Yet another 'glad she died so we can attack Kennedy forever' clown heard from.
More proof of the shallowness of the ghouls gloating over that girl's death.
Take Kopecne out of the Ted Kennedy conversation and the majority of conservatives become mute.

Shakespeare
07-24-2008, 03:05 PM
Laura was in a car accident in which a man died. The person in the car with Ted was drowned due to Ted's drunkeness and crime of leaving the scene of an accident.
That makes Ted Crimes=2 and Laura's = 0.

My Guns Have Killed Less People Than Laura Bush's Car.

FDK
07-24-2008, 03:58 PM
Take Kopecne out of the Ted Kennedy conversation and the majority of conservatives become mute.

Nope, then we start talking about having parties where his nephew rapes a gal. :D

patriot45
07-24-2008, 08:18 PM
norepubsin08 (62 posts) Tue Jul-22-08 02:54 AM
Response to Original message
41. Mary Jo
was drunk and puled the wheel of the car and made it plunge into the water!!! She was working for the Republicans and they put a hit out on Ted.


Teh winner!

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/kelley.gif

AmPat
07-25-2008, 12:41 AM
My Guns Have Killed Less People Than Laura Bush's Car.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2iascno.jpg

AmPat
07-25-2008, 12:44 AM
My Guns Have Killed Less People Than Laura Bush's Car.

http://i37.tinypic.com/2iascno.jpg


http://i38.tinypic.com/szilpv.gif

Sonnabend
07-25-2008, 04:59 AM
Yet another 'glad she died so we can attack Kennedy forever' clown heard from. More proof of the shallowness of the ghouls gloating over that girl's death.There is no statute of limitations on murder.


Take Kopecne out of the Ted Kennedy conversation and the majority of conservatives become mute.

It's spelt Kopechne, and he was still DUI ( a felony) leaving the scene of an accident ( a felony), criminal negligence( a felony) and involuntary manslaughter (a felony)..I might also add that when he came down to see the police, he was armed with a bevy of lawyers.

Mary Jo Kopechne is still dead.


A very drunk girl got in a car with a very drunk famous politician and they had an accident. No, she was not. The autopsy report confirmed it.


He was too f'd up to handle it and ran off. She drowned. He got off too lightly, probably because that's just how our "justice" system works.So you have now admitted that he left her to die. Thank you, that is now a prima facie case of guilt to felony manslaughter.


The right has tried to demonize everything 'left' by whispering or squealing 'Chappaquiddick!' every chance they got. Kennedy left a helpless woman to drown alone in a car after he was too drunk to drive, and then made sure that he couild not be tested or charged.


Meanwhile, Laura Bush kills her boyfriend in a car accident and gets away Scot free

1. She was Laura Welch and would not meet her future husband for twenty years.

2. The collision occurred at right angles on a T intersection at night on an empty road. There was no way in hell she, or anyone else, could know who was in the car, or whose car it was..all anyone would see in that situation is headlights.

3. The accident occurred with drivers between the ages of eighteen and twenty five, late at night..if anyone had bothered to check the statistics, that age range and that time of night are prime factors in thousands of similar incidents all throughout the Western world.

18-24 year olds make up the bulk of driving fatalities, especially at night.

Darkness, fatigue, inexperience and a moments inattention are all it takes..and as O'Sullivan said in the postscript of one my legal textbooks....it could have happened to any of us

Incidentally, WigglesmeWillie, we leave the gravedancing to you DUmmies, especially where Tony Snow was concerned.

Dismissed.

FDK
07-25-2008, 08:11 AM
and he was still DUI ( a felony)'

I doubt it was a felony in Mass. when it happened. In fact, it's stil not a felony in the US is many states. For example, in Washington State where I live, a DUI is still not a felony unless you somehow manage to get 5 DUI convictions within a 10 year time frame and that's a law the was only passed relatively recently.

FlaGator
07-25-2008, 08:59 AM
It's spelt Kopechne, and he was still DUI ( a felony) leaving the scene of an accident ( a felony), criminal negligence( a felony) and involuntary manslaughter (a felony)..I might also add that when he came down to see the police, he was armed with a bevy of lawyers.



Most of those things are not felonies in the US... in fact only the involuntary manslaughter is a felony and it can and often is plead down to reckless endangerment which is a misdemeanor.

ReaganForRus
07-25-2008, 09:48 AM
Most of those things are not felonies in the US... in fact only the involuntary manslaughter is a felony and it can and often is plead down to reckless endangerment which is a misdemeanor.

Actually, a prior history of DUI"s (which Ted Kennedy had prior to his accident) are grounds for a felony DUI, particularly if the DUI contributed to a person's death. Given the actual facts of the accident and Teddy would've been tried and convicted of multiple felonies had his name not been Kennedy and had the Kennedy machine behind him.

FDK
07-25-2008, 09:48 AM
You know when you come from a country that started out as a prison colony - EVERYTHING is a felony.

(I'm just ribbing you, Sonna - it's not a personal attack.:D)

Sonnabend
07-25-2008, 10:21 AM
You know when you come from a country that started out as a prison colony - EVERYTHING is a felony(I'm just ribbing you, Sonna - it's not a personal attack.*evil cackle*

*reaches for library books*

Actually, FDK, the joke is on you (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=3614090)


After 1718, approximately 60,000 convicts, dubbed "the King's passengers," were sent from England to America. Ninety percent of them stayed in Maryland and Virginia. Although some returned to England once their servitude was over, many remained and began their new lives in the colonies.Oh no.... (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0198202113/qid=1101231488/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9?v=glance&s=books)


Bound for America: The Transportation of British Convicts to the Colonies, 1718-1775 (Clarendon Paperbacks) (Paperback)
by A. Roger Ekirch (Author)FDK....never argue with a disciple of the Library Lady :D

(avagoodweegendyawonkywombat :D)

LibraryLady
07-25-2008, 12:25 PM
The Kopechne family received $140,923 from Kennedy. They said he never apologized.They did hear from Rose and Ethel Kennedy.

The medical examiner, Dr Donald Mills, was satisfied that the cause of death was accidental drowning. He signed a death certificate to that effect and released Kopechne's body to her family without ordering an autopsy Later, on September 18, District Attorney Dinis attempted to secure an exhumation of Kopechne's body in order to perform a belated autopsy.
The request was opposed by Kopechne's parents
No autopsy was performed.

Tomorrow would have been Mary Jo Kopechne's 68th birthday.

Sonnabend
07-25-2008, 06:56 PM
I stand corrected.

*bows to the Library Lady*