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megimoo
11-13-2009, 08:00 AM
"It May Have Been A Conservative 'Grand Sweep' After All ?"

There are currently over 10,000 uncounted absentee ballots, many of which were in the military where a strongly conservative bias exists.

Given the narrow margin of Owens' lead at this time, it's entirely possible that this race could still swing for Hoffman.

Several errors were made during the initial vote counts. Over 2,000 votes for contender Doug Hoffman were not counted in the preliminary results, narrowing the current vote gap to less than 3,000 votes between Democrat Bill Owens and Conservative Doug Hoffman.

The errors were discovered during the standard vote recanvas that has been underway since November 4th. The largest error occurred in Oswego County where the vote recanvas found a discrepancy of more than 1,200 votes in Doug Hoffman's favor. Another error, in Jefferson County contributed an additional 700 votes in Hoffman's favor during the recount.

The election was close enough even on election night that the New York State Board of Elections was unable to present a "clear decision" in the race according to John Conklin, Communications Director for the department. He said that the Board sent a letter to the Clerk of the House of Representatives in Washington indicating that they could not yet determine a winner and could therefore not certify the election until after the recanvas and absentee ballot count. Those final numbers will not be available until at least mid-December.

Nancy Pelosi was only able to legally swear-in Bill Owens because Doug Hoffman had conceded the election, indicating that he did not contest the initial, and now shown erroneous, results, something he may not have done if he had been aware of how close the election was.

Mr. Hoffman told the Gouverneur Times that he felt at the time that he "was being a good sport" in doing so. With 93% of the polls in and counted and a margin of over 5,000 votes in favor of Owens, he felt he had lost the election. He now says that "while hindsight is 20/20, if I had known it was that close, I probably would have waited."

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As it stands now, Bill Owens may be in Washington and voting the Pelosi Party line but when the vote is certified he may be ousted. The state Board of Elections indicated that "...all ballots will be counted, and if the result changes, Owens will have to be removed." Concession speech or not, if the voters in the 23rd District elected Doug Hoffman and not Bill Owens, then Hoffman will be the Representative.

Sources indicate that the Democrats would not have had the votes to pass the Health bill if Owens had not been sworn-in and pledged his support for it. Several other Representatives have indicated that they would not have cast their votes in favor of the bill if they were not certain that it had the votes to win.

http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/index...ews&Itemid=175

PoliCon
11-13-2009, 09:24 AM
Moo - next time you copy past - you might wanna make sure the link works. What's truly amazing is that you copy and pasted it from yourself - http://www.oldhippie.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7461 - and still couldn't manage to get the link right. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
11-13-2009, 09:29 AM
An interesting question is - what happens if the talls were wrong and Hoffman actually won?

expat-pattaya
11-13-2009, 11:47 AM
An interesting question is - what happens if the talls were wrong and Hoffman actually won?

I'm curious as well. Does Hoffman's concession stand if it is determined that he won?

Rebel Yell
11-13-2009, 11:49 AM
Why is it so frickin hard to get an election right anymore?

patriot45
11-13-2009, 11:55 AM
Why is it so frickin hard to get an election right anymore?

Even with updated technology, some can't get it right! :D

http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i230/patriot45270/untitled.jpg

AlmostThere
11-24-2009, 11:11 PM
I haven't seen anything about it on CU, but in case anyone doesn't know, Hoffman conceded today. It seems there weren't absentee ballots. :(

Apocalypse
11-25-2009, 12:00 AM
Sources indicate that the Democrats would not have had the votes to pass the Health bill if Owens had not been sworn-in and pledged his support for it. Several other Representatives have indicated that they would not have cast their votes in favor of the bill if they were not certain that it had the votes to win.

I'll call BS on that. First I'm sure one of the Dems who voted no would have been told by Pelosi to vote yes. I'm sure there were behind the curtain deals of who will vote no and who will vote yes depending on who is at risk and who is not. And lets not forget the one traitor who voted yes in the GOP. That gave them one over the min they needed.