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megimoo
11-22-2009, 12:28 PM
Which America Do Americans Want? (There are 2 America's, each with its own Philosophical founder)

Philosophically speaking, there are two Americas, each with a founding father. The first man, born 500 years ago last July, was the theologian John Calvin.

Should this sound incredible, bear in mind that this has been the contention of more than a few historians in the past.
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First, at the time when America became a country, about two-thirds of the population had a religious affiliation that was at least partly Calvinistic in doctrine.

In fact, it was the persecution of that particular religious inclination that drove many if not most of the immigrants across the Atlantic and into the often harsh environs of the New World in the first place.
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The Reformed doctrine that Calvin systemized was a central force in shaping not only the religious perspective of early America, but also the very structure of its government.

For example, their acceptance of Calvin's teaching that every aspect of man is sinful by nature led the colonial leaders to reject the utopian ideas forwarded by the French philosophers of that time.
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It was the French Revolution, not ours, that followed the edicts of the Enlightenment, with cataclysmic results. America's founders focused instead on creating a balance of power between government and the individual, to avoid the opposing evils of anarchy and despotism.

This they accomplished by decentralizing government -- in a manner resembling the Presbyterian form of church government that Calvin had long before instituted -- and by divesting its power into three separate branches.
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a protestant doctrine that Calvin expounded on, led to the education of nearly all America's citizens, since all believers are responsible for seeking to know what God has said to them in the Bible.

This widespread literacy allowed the democratic system to operate, given the relative isolation of towns back then, and the lack of any mass media other than the printed word.
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In addition, Calvin exhorted believers to work hard, while declaring secular occupations to be every bit as holy as that of the pulpit. snip Given all of these factors, one can see just how profound an influence this theologian has had on the social and political formation of the United States of America.
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The founder of the other America (which, in view of the first one, might well be considered the anti-America) also had a major anniversary this year, having been born in 1809.

Though his discipline was science, the theory of origins that he formulated from his observation of plants and animals has had enormous implications in America's social and political realms as well. I am, of course, referring to Charles Darwin.
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Bradley C. S. Watson lists six core ideas that social Darwinists in the 20th century came to have with respect to politics in general and constitutional government in particular.
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First, there is the denial of fixed or eternal principles that might aid the wise course of any government.

Next is the notion that continual growth is the goal of the state, and never-ending change is means to that end.

Third, social Darwinists stress experimentation with government institutions and laws from a utilitarian perspective. Thus, the only valid way to determine good policy from bad is the particular consequences of its implementation.

The fourth core belief, according to Watson, is the history of a government as an "inevitable process" rather than merely a cause and effect chain of events.

Of course, if it is a process, then, despite temporary setbacks, the state will, on the whole, continue to improve.

The fifth idea is that an elite class is needed to supervise the steering of government's great ship, through the obstacles of obsolete institutions, laws and ideas.

The final belief is that truth and moral rightness are relative to the particular position in a government's history.
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It's not hard to distinguish which of the two philosophies President Obama adheres to. Change was but half of his campaign mantra, yet it was offered as a virtue in itself.

"I am someone who is no doubt progressive," he proudly proclaimed.
He is also an elitist.

That is evident from the fact that he never denounced the messianic laurels that were so lovingly placed at his feet.

Moreover, since the election, the president and his ever-expanding court of czars have, through their never-ending quest to takeover private industry, shown no regard for the limitations of power the Constitution has drawn, and the highest regard for themselves as America's neo-monarchy.
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As for his other partners in crime, the reigning congress, Barney Frank is a particularly glaring example of elitism.

We see it all too clearly in the belligerent manner in which he's answered both protesting citizens, and conservative commentators such as O'Reilly.

When the banking crisis hit, just over a year ago, he unabashedly expressed the mentality of those currently running the country with the following statement:
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I think there are a lot of very rich people whom we can tax down the road, and recover some of this money.
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Due to our ethnic diversity and the foggy halls of public education that most citizens have trudged through, the picture is less than clear as to which current of thought the American public stands in.

This is evident from the fact that, while most Americans consider themselves Christian, a majority also say that truth is relative.

Yet, according to a 2004 CBS poll, most Americans don't believe Darwin's theory. And it seems clear that an even greater majority have come to regard the social Darwinism employed by Obama and his congressional cronies as a bust.
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Ironically, the very utilitarianism that progressives hold up as their standard inevitably works against them.

They may not be intellectually consistent, but Americans in general are correspondingly pragmatic.

As such, they can see that, rather than bringing about positive change, the progressive politicians are dismantling our present quality of life and destroying our country's chances for future prosperity. And they will vote accordingly in 2010.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/which_america_do_americans_wan.html

CaughtintheMiddle1990
11-22-2009, 01:59 PM
So anyone who accepts Darwin's Theories is anti-American?
Fuck you.

Crapouillot
11-22-2009, 03:38 PM
So anyone who accepts Darwin's Theories is anti-American?
Fuck you.

You can't say Fuck You to Meggie. Only we can do that.

And I can't believe you're bringing up fucking. I think you are better at sex than anyone. All you need now is a partner.

linda22003
11-23-2009, 07:39 AM
"There Are Two America's, Each with Its Own Philosophical Founder! "

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Yes, the America which spells a simple plural with an apostrophe, and the America which knows better. :rolleyes:

FlaGator
11-23-2009, 08:39 AM
You can't say Fuck You to Meggie. Only we can do that.

And I can't believe you're bringing up fucking. I think you are better at sex than anyone. All you need now is a partner.

I'm sure that there is some primate that is willing to evolve with him.

Jfor
11-23-2009, 02:03 PM
"There Are Two America's, Each with Its Own Philosophical Founder! "

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Yes, the America which spells a simple plural with an apostrophe, and the America which knows better. :rolleyes:

Once again, nothing to add the conversation.

BadCat
11-23-2009, 02:16 PM
So anyone who accepts Darwin's Theories is anti-American?
Fuck you.

Have you actually read them?

You've read The Origin of Species and Descent of Man?

noonwitch
11-23-2009, 02:34 PM
You can't say Fuck You to Meggie. Only we can do that.

And I can't believe you're bringing up fucking. I think you are better at sex than anyone. All you need now is a partner.




LOL on all counts.

Goldwater
11-23-2009, 02:38 PM
"There Are Two America's, Each with Its Own Philosophical Founder! "

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Yes, the America which spells a simple plural with an apostrophe, and the America which knows better. :rolleyes:

Ha. :D

It has long been a saying that the pilgrims "escaped persecution so they could persecute on new land" but they had a great theory of government. Old America had a good system of government in terms of decentralization, but due to lack of technology there were problems just like in any other country, would be interesting to see how that system played out today.

linda22003
11-23-2009, 02:59 PM
Once again, nothing to add the conversation.

Nothing forces you to read my posts. Feel free to stop.

Jfor
11-24-2009, 12:00 AM
Nothing forces you to read my posts. Feel free to stop.

Nothing forces you to correct every grammatical error on this forum either. Feel free to add some substance to political threads.