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rjas77
07-24-2008, 02:24 AM
Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Se nator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the Commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers were lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.

He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

LibraryLady
07-24-2008, 03:00 AM
I had heard that the milblogs were telling the real story.

AmPat
07-24-2008, 04:10 AM
I had heard that the milblogs were telling the real story.

None of this surprises me. There is too much potential for disaster. He knows how unpopular he is in military circles. He is the best pandering politician I have ever seen. After the Klintoon years, that's saying something.

Can you imagine the disaster when the camera catches the facial expressions of the hundreds of soldiers around him. The media would be hard pressed to marginalize a photo op like that.

Obama looked nervous at the Israel trip also. He and the rest of his Socialist followers didn't like the spent rocket backdrop provided courtesy Hamas who Obama would have us negotiate with.:rolleyes:

Is there anything that Obama hasn't had to further explain or backtrack on? I'm asking foir those things that he originally supported and now has hedged or the opposite.

He is the first Presidential candidate that I recall that has had to explain every statement he makes. :cool:

Elspeth
07-24-2008, 04:44 AM
I had heard that the milblogs were telling the real story.

Is there a link to these (and to the story above)?

Teetop
07-24-2008, 10:26 AM
Empty suit, will travel.

LibraryLady
07-24-2008, 10:28 AM
Empty suit, will travel.

And carry his:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/dtharman/Obama/mrz072308dAPR.jpg

Perilloux
07-24-2008, 10:41 AM
My Sister was in Bagram Afghanistan the day before BO got there. Are you still there?

Teetop
07-24-2008, 11:00 AM
Is there a link to these (and to the story above)?


Here ya go. (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/from-gi-in-afgh.html)

Molon Labe
07-24-2008, 11:05 AM
If there is anyone that could be worse for the military morale than Slick Willie it is this moron.
Thanks for the update.
Does anyone know if rjasS77 the poster of this blog?

rjas77
07-24-2008, 12:22 PM
If there is anyone that could be worse for the military morale than Slick Willie it is this moron.
Thanks for the update.
Does anyone know if rjasS77 the poster of this blog?

No Just a member here.

LibraryLady
07-24-2008, 12:36 PM
When Hurricane Andrew hit Florida, my husband was one of the first units to go down from Fort Bragg to assist. He was down there for quite a while under unbelievable conditions.

President Bush and Gov Clinton both came to visit the "refugees" and the military units. They had to order troops to meet with Clinton.

gator
07-24-2008, 03:48 PM
When Hurricane Andrew hit Florida, my husband was one of the first units to go down from Fort Bragg to assist. He was down there for quite a while under unbelievable conditions.

President Bush and Gov Clinton both came to visit the "refugees" and the military units. They had to order troops to meet with Clinton.


The military will show no respect to Obama.

Obama will devastate the military. Recruitment will suffer because nobody will want to join the American military with an Internationalist in charge. Many people in the military now will get out, which will be fine with Obama because doesn't understand the need for a strong military. Moral will be very low. Pride will evaporate.

The worse will be with the troops in Iraq. Once Obama is elected morale will go to hell in a handbasket because the troops will know that the American people don't give a shit about completing the mission. The troops in Afghanistan will know they are next, despite Obama’s campaign posturing.

I was in Vietnam the day that sonofabitch LBJ announced he was curtailing the bombing of North Vietnam. From that day on the troops knew the American people did not have the guts to finish the war. From that day on very few of the troops were concerned about the mission anymore. They just wanted to do their time and get out. Loyalties were to each other and not to the mission. I think the same thing will happen in Iraq.

This will be bad times for America. We got a preview of things to come today when Obama was in Berlin. He was there apologizing for America and claiming he was a world citizen. It made me want to puke.

Mc Cain isn’t a whole lot better but at least the troops will respect him and he will do right by the military.

Elspeth
07-24-2008, 03:57 PM
Here ya go. (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/from-gi-in-afgh.html)

Thanks> :)

Aklover
07-24-2008, 04:28 PM
I assume all soldiers in the places he visited were pre-threatened to play nice with the messiah?

Molon Labe
07-24-2008, 06:26 PM
I assume all soldiers in the places he visited were pre-threatened to play nice with the messiah?

That's the way it tends to work. Your always briefed before you meet any political figure. If there is any doubt...your usually left out.

Aklover
07-24-2008, 09:40 PM
That's the way it tends to work. Your always briefed before you meet any political figure. If there is any doubt...your usually left out.


I am not surprised.

SaintLouieWoman
07-24-2008, 10:11 PM
The military will show no respect to Obama.

Obama will devastate the military. Recruitment will suffer because nobody will want to join the American military with an Internationalist in charge. Many people in the military now will get out, which will be fine with Obama because doesn't understand the need for a strong military. Moral will be very low. Pride will evaporate.

The worse will be with the troops in Iraq. Once Obama is elected morale will go to hell in a handbasket because the troops will know that the American people don't give a shit about completing the mission. The troops in Afghanistan will know they are next, despite Obama’s campaign posturing.

I was in Vietnam the day that sonofabitch LBJ announced he was curtailing the bombing of North Vietnam. From that day on the troops knew the American people did not have the guts to finish the war. From that day on very few of the troops were concerned about the mission anymore. They just wanted to do their time and get out. Loyalties were to each other and not to the mission. I think the same thing will happen in Iraq.

This will be bad times for America. We got a preview of things to come today when Obama was in Berlin. He was there apologizing for America and claiming he was a world citizen. It made me want to puke.

Mc Cain isn’t a whole lot better but at least the troops will respect him and he will do right by the military.

Gator, you're right on. I've sold equipment to the military for many years. A lot of officers quit during the Clinton years. One told me he wouldn't salute that man and had no intention of being a "waiter". Obama will be even worse.

McCain will be better. Our troops don't need the punishment of an Obama as president. They should be thanked, not reviled.

blueyonder
07-25-2008, 07:51 AM
Thank you CPT Jeffrey S. Porter for your report and for your service to our country! Well Done!

lacarnut
07-25-2008, 10:59 AM
The military will show no respect to Obama.

Obama will devastate the military. Recruitment will suffer because nobody will want to join the American military with an Internationalist in charge. Many people in the military now will get out, which will be fine with Obama because doesn't understand the need for a strong military. Moral will be very low. Pride will evaporate.

The worse will be with the troops in Iraq. Once Obama is elected morale will go to hell in a handbasket because the troops will know that the American people don't give a shit about completing the mission. The troops in Afghanistan will know they are next, despite Obama’s campaign posturing.

I was in Vietnam the day that sonofabitch LBJ announced he was curtailing the bombing of North Vietnam. From that day on the troops knew the American people did not have the guts to finish the war. From that day on very few of the troops were concerned about the mission anymore. They just wanted to do their time and get out. Loyalties were to each other and not to the mission. I think the same thing will happen in Iraq.

This will be bad times for America. We got a preview of things to come today when Obama was in Berlin. He was there apologizing for America and claiming he was a world citizen. It made me want to puke.

Mc Cain isn’t a whole lot better but at least the troops will respect him and he will do right by the military.

Not only will he screw over the military but cut funding for VA hospitals. It is a damn shame that victims families of 9/11 get almost a million dollars and soldiers killed in action get a measly $10,000. That is really chickenshit that our troops are treated as second class citizens.

If Obama is elected he will screw this country up so bad, I don't think we will ever recover from his socialistic policies; he will turn our sovereignty over to the UN, high taxation, liberal judges, numerous social programs, $7 gas and run our economy into the ground.

rjas77
07-25-2008, 02:06 PM
Well Snopes thays it's false....

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/afghanistan.asp

LibraryLady
07-26-2008, 02:49 PM
There are more and more of these emails popping up. I have no idea which are true but I'm betting some are.




MY MEETING (ALMOST) WITH OBAMA
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I had a first hand view of Barrack Obama's "fact finding" mission, when he passed through this base.

While I can't name it, it's one of the largest air bases in the region, with up to 8000 troops (depending on influxes and transients in mobilization/demobilization status), mostly Airmen and Soldiers, but some Marines, Sailors, Koreans, Japanese, Aussies, Brits, US Civil Service, contractors including KBR, Blackwater and Halliburton, among others in the news. The overwhelming majority of all of these are professional, courteous and disciplined. Problems are rare.

Casualties are also rare. This base has a large hospital for evacuation—twenty plus beds. I have yet to see a casualty in one, though I am told there are about three evacuations a week through this region, of which two on average are things like sports injuries, vehicle accidents or duty related falls and such. You can tell from the news that the war is going well. The ghouls are now focusing on Afghanistan, since there is no blood to type with here.

This oped is of course subjective and limited, but I will try to present the facts as I saw them. I wasn't able to see much, which makes a point all by itself.

When his plane arrived (also containing Senators Reed and Hagel, but the news has hardly mentioned them), there was a "ramp freeze." This means if you are on the flight line, and not directly involved with the event in question, you stay where you are and don't move. For a combat flight arriving or departing, this takes about ten minutes, and involves the active runway and crossing taxiways only. For Obama's flight, this took 90 minutes, during which time a variety of military missions came grinding to a halt. Obviously, this visit was important, right?

95% of base wanted nothing to do with him. I have met three troops who support him, and literally hundreds who regard him as a buffoon, a charlatan, a hindrance to their mission or a flat out enemy of progress. Even when the rumors were publicly admitted, almost no one left their duty sections to try to see him, unless they were officers whose presence was officially required.

Mister Obama's motorcade drove up from the flight line and entered the dining hall toward the end of lunch time. Diners were chased out and told to make other arrangements for food, in the middle of the duty day.

Now, there are close to 8000 troops on the base and its nearby satellites. No one came up from the Army side (except perhaps a few ranking officers). The airbase resumed operation, once he cleared the flightline, as if nothing had happened. The dining hall holds about 300 people and was not full. The troops did not want to meet him and the feeling was apparently mutual. In attendance, besides the Official Entourage, were the base's senior officers, some support personnel, and a very few carefully vetted supporters who'd made special arrangements. No photos were allowed. No question and answer with the troops. No real acknowledgment that the troops existed.

Obama left around 1530, during the Muslim Call to Prayer, so he's not a practicing Muslim. He was in a convoy guarded by (so I'm told) both State Department and Secret Service Personnel.

Less than three hours…

Within 48 hours he was in Afghanistan. It takes most troops longer than that to in-process and get cleared on safety, threats, policies and such. Yet he somehow made a strategic summary by not talking to anyone and not seeing anything.

Twenty-four hours after that, he was in Kuwait, back here, and then home, so fast we didn't even know he arrived the second time at this base.

I can't imagine any officer of the few he met told him anything other than what they tell the troops, and what their own leadership at the Pentagon tell them—we're winning. Our troops are stomping the guts out of the insurgency. The surge worked and is working. If the insurgents have to divert to Afghanistan, it means they can't fight in Iraq anymore. We should not change the rules and retreat with the enemy on the ropes as we did in Vietnam. We should finish kicking their teeth in. The Iraqi government now controls 10 of 18 provinces, with US assistance in the rest. Let us win the war. 90% of the troops I know, even those opposed to the war, say that is the way to win. Victory comes from winning, not from "change." In fact, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs is on record as opposing Obama's strategic theory.

Since he obviously knew in advance that's what they'd tell him, and since he didn't care to talk to the troops (we're told by the Left that the troops are horrified, shocked, forced to commit atrocities with tears in their eyes, distraught, burned out, fed up with losing, etc) and find out how they feel, and was barely in country long enough to need a shower and a change of clothes, we can only call this for what it is.

A disgraceful PR stunt, using the troops as a platform for his ego and campaign.

In comparison, I've seen four star generals and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on this base. They each held an all ranks call, met with and briefed the personnel, and took questions on every subject from tour length to uniform design to rules of engagement to weapon choice to long term policy, from the newest airmen to the senior NCO with TEN 120-180 day tours since Sep 11. It's very clear they want to know what the troops think, and to keep them informed of events. It's equally clear mister Obama does not.

From here we must move to my op part of the oped.

Obama clearly doesn't care about the troops, doesn't care about America, doesn't care about anything except hearing his own voice and the chance to sit at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue…From where he'll bring us the proven Democratic wartime leadership of Bosnia and the Balkans (US forces still there), Somalia (US forces prevailed despite being ill equipped by executive order, and taking heavy casualties), Haiti (what were we doing there again?), Desert One (oops?), Vietnam (where we snatched defeat from the jaws of victory), Korea (still there), WWI, and the fluke success of WWII won by such wonderful liberal notions as concentration camps for Japanese Americans, nukes, FBI investigations of waitresses who dated soldiers in case they were "morally corrupt" and the (valid) occupation of and continued presence in Italy, Japan and Germany for 60 years, which they are conveniently pretending won't happen with Iraq.

That's not "change." That's "failure we can do without."
http://www.blackfive.net/main/2008/07/more-witness-em.html
http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/07/troops-in-irag-not-impressed-with.html