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megimoo
11-24-2009, 12:31 PM
MSNBC is coming under fire from pro-life Catholics upset about the way two of its show hosts treated Bishop Thomas Tobin.

"Both Mathews and O’Donnell are Communicant Roman Catholics,Judas 1 and 2 ."
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"The 2008 Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches, a statistical listing of major religious bodies published by

National Council of Churches, reports over 67,515,016 registered members of the Roman Catholic Church.

"And if Only Ten Percent(6.7 mill.) of Those are Pro Life MSNBC's Ratings are in Deeper Do Do !"

The next largest Christian group is a Protestant denomination, the Southern Baptist Convention, which reports only 16,306,246 members."
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The Rhode Island bishop received national attention the last few days as pro-abortion Congressman Patrick Kennedy made public a private letter admonishing him on abortion.The letter asked Kennedy to voluntarily agree to not receive communion because his pro-abortion views are out of line with Catholic pro-life teachings.

Tobin appeared on MSNBC's hardball program with pro-abortion Catholic host Chris Matthews, who doesn't merely interview the bishop but appears to rant at him in a disrespectful manner with constant interruptions.

Matthews said Tobin was "punishing" Congressman Kennedy for supporting “abortion rights" and he feigned respect by repeatedly calling the Bishop “Your Excellency."Bishop Tobin tried to help Matthews understand that opposition to abortion is part of "natural law" and not merely a "religious" view.

During the interview, Matthews asked Tobin what kind of abortion laws he would write were he a member of Congress.“I am not a member of Congress, but if I were, I would never be in a position of supporting any abortion legislation that encourages abortion,” Tobin replied.

“What law would you pass?” Matthews pressed. “You're coming down on Congressman Kennedy and other public officials. …Would you outlaw abortion?”
“That’s the direction our nation ought to move,” Tobin responded.

“Your problem with Congressman Kennedy is his position on the law and what the law should read on abortion.

What should a good Catholic believe about the law? Tell Catholics now on national television how they should vote as members of Congress.”Tobin’s reply: “Catholics should vote for laws that preserve and protect human life.”

Matthews then demanded to know if Tobin would jail women who had abortions if a national law came to pass that would prohibit abortions.

Deacon Keith Fournier watched the show and described the bias he saw.

"It quickly became clear that he intended to pummel him, browbeat him and try to persuade him to abandon the truth and excuse the error which Matthews has embraced," he said.

"In his grandiosity and arrogance Matthews proceeded to talk over the Bishop, interrupt him, cut him off, and try to lecture him in a condescending manner on 'the law,'" he added.

"He repeatedly tried to force him to answer loaded questions.

He finally had the audacity to suggest that the Bishop needed to rethink his position."

"MSNBC should publicly apologize to the Bishop and Matthews should be fired for his lack of professionalism. To not give this good and intelligent man, this Bishop of the Catholic Church, an opportunity to speak, after inviting him on this show, was inexcusable," he said.

Meanwhile, MSNBC’s Lawrence O’Donnell, on Monday’s Morning Joe program, commented on the situation and added fuel to the fire.“This is a political act by a political bishop… Political bishops do the church absolutely no good. This guy’s—this bishop is a political hack," he said.

http://www.lifenews.com/state4593.html

noonwitch
11-24-2009, 12:46 PM
The bishop has the right to deny communion to Patrick Kennedy, and Patrick has the right to cease donating to the church until he's allowed to take communion again.


I don't get why liberal catholics stick with the church. Why don't they either form their own or join a liberal church? It's not as if the catholic church is showing any signs of becoming more liberal.

Rebel Yell
11-24-2009, 01:20 PM
The bishop has the right to deny communion to Patrick Kennedy, and Patrick has the right to cease donating to the church until he's allowed to take communion again.


I don't get why liberal catholics stick with the church. Why don't they either form their own or join a liberal church? It's not as if the catholic church is showing any signs of becoming more liberal.

Why should it? That is something I have a problem with, churches who bend their rules to get their numbers up. Church is not suppose to be about how many seats you get in the seats, it's about changing people's lives to turn to God. God doesn't change, people do. The quicker you liberals get that through your heads, the better off you'll be. If you disagree with the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, then don't go to church. Starting these "liberal" churches teaching anything other than what the Bible teaches is nothing less than sacrilege. You're leading people away from salvation, instead of leading them to it. It is better to stand by and watch someone damn their own souls to hell, than to take someone who is interested in becoming active in church and lead them down a path of false teachings.


And for the record, I am not Catholic. I don't worship the Virgin Mary, and I don't need a middle man to speak with God.

noonwitch
11-24-2009, 01:29 PM
Why should it? That is something I have a problem with, churches who bend their rules to get their numbers up. Church is not suppose to be about how many seats you get in the seats, it's about changing people's lives to turn to God. God doesn't change, people do. The quicker you liberals get that through your heads, the better off you'll be. If you disagree with the teachings of Jesus and the Bible, then don't go to church. Starting these "liberal" churches teaching anything other than what the Bible teaches is nothing less than sacrilege. You're leading people away from salvation, instead of leading them to it. It is better to stand by and watch someone damn their own souls to hell, than to take someone who is interested in becoming active in church and lead them down a path of false teachings.


And for the record, I am not Catholic. I don't worship the Virgin Mary, and I don't need a middle man to speak with God.




I wasn't saying the church should change. I was saying that liberals should leave it if they don't like the teachings, and don't want to follow the rules. You might not like the teachings in more liberal churches, but it's a free country and anyone can go to any church he or she wants to. Or not go.

I'm not a catholic, either, and I never will be, because I don't have to be one. I don't tell them how to run their church, and they don't tell my church how to run ours.

AmPat
11-24-2009, 01:57 PM
I'm not a fan of the Catholic Church but I agree that they have a right to deny membership or the rites of that membership whenever and to whoever they determine. This isn't about discrimination or politics and "Spitball" needs to stay out of it. He (Chrissy my leg is tingling Matthews) throughly embarrassed himself, again, on national TV. When is this idiotic network going to go bankrupt?

Last Samurai
11-27-2009, 10:21 AM
And for the record, I am not Catholic. I don't worship the Virgin Mary, and I don't need a middle man to speak with God.

Given your list of Cliche's.... I suspect you know very little of the "teachings" of the Catholic Church to begin with. Therefore, you have no "dog in the race" in this matter...... not to mention little in the way of credability in the matter.

LS

JackKetch
11-28-2009, 03:59 PM
And for the record, I am not Catholic. I don't worship the Virgin Mary, and I don't need a middle man to speak with God.

you have some real misunderstandings about the Catholic faith.

AmPat
11-28-2009, 04:17 PM
you have some real misunderstandings about the Catholic faith.
I'd be interested in a new thread whereby you explain away these "myths." I have some of the same concerns regarding Catholic practices. I used to be one until I looked into it further. For me, I couldn't plug all the trappings, customs, practices, etc, into what I read for myself regarding New testament Churches. Especially somebody (priest) interceding for me in a matter as important as eternal life.

Note: I'm not interested in flaming Catholics and I sure don't need athiest apologists mucking up the conversation.:cool:

NJCardFan
11-29-2009, 02:13 AM
The bishop has the right to deny communion to Patrick Kennedy, and Patrick has the right to cease donating to the church until he's allowed to take communion again.


I don't get why liberal catholics stick with the church. Why don't they either form their own or join a liberal church? It's not as if the catholic church is showing any signs of becoming more liberal.
They do now and Obama is their messiah. Or haven't you been paying attention.