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hazlnut
11-30-2009, 10:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15)
For anyone really interested in the facts of the criminal case--here they are:


The Climatic Research Unit e-mail hacking incident, also known as Climategate,[1][2][3] began in November 2009 with the hacking of a server used by the Climatic Research Unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia (UEA) in Norwich, England, in the United Kingdom. An unknown individual stole[4] and anonymously disseminated over a thousand e-mails and other documents.[5][6][7] The university confirmed that a "criminal breach" of their security systems took place,[8] but could not confirm the authenticity of the material at short notice,[9] and expressed concern "that personal information about individuals may have been compromised."[10] Details of the incident have been reported to the police, who are investigating.[5] Later, Phil Jones, Director of the CRU, confirmed that all of the leaked emails that had provoked heated debate appeared to be genuine.[11]

Climate change sceptics have asserted that the e-mails show collusion[12] by climate scientists to withhold scientific information.[13] Other prominent climate scientists, such as Richard Somerville, have called the incident a smear campaign.[14] Jones called charges that the emails involve any "untoward" activity "ludicrous",[15] and Kevin Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research stated that the sceptics have selectively quoted words and phrases out of context in an attempt to sabotage the Copenhagen global climate summit in December.[16]


The CRU's researchers said in a statement that the e-mails had been taken out of context and merely reflected an honest exchange of ideas.[9] Phil Jones, Director of the Climatic Research Unit, called the charges that the emails involve any "untoward" activity "ludicrous."[15] Michael Mann, director of Pennsylvania State University's Earth System Science Center, said that sceptics were "taking these words totally out of context to make something trivial appear nefarious",[9] and called the entire incident a careful, "high-level, orchestrated smear campaign to distract the public about the nature of the climate change problem."[23] Kevin E. Trenberth of the National Center for Atmospheric Research said that he was appalled at the release of the e-mails but thought that it might backfire against climate sceptics, as the messages would show "the integrity of scientists."[13] He has also said that the theft may be aimed at undermining talks at the December, 2009 Copenhagen global climate summit.[16]

Go Jim Inhofe, keep shilling for energy corps. Your kids must be so proud...:rolleyes:

FlaGator
11-30-2009, 11:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15)
For anyone really interested in the facts of the criminal case--here they are:





Go Jim Inhofe, keep shilling for energy corps. Your kids must be so proud...:rolleyes:

Wiki is not an unbiased source. Nice try though.

Constitutionally Speaking
12-01-2009, 04:33 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15)
For anyone really interested in the facts of the criminal case--here they are:





Go Jim Inhofe, keep shilling for energy corps. Your kids must be so proud...:rolleyes:


Nice try. Read the damn e-mails. They are crystal clear as to the intent AND the actual data destruction and manipulation.


The left got caught LYING again.

Speedy
12-01-2009, 04:37 AM
Well, I am all in favor of every bit of legislation, cap and trade, treaties, carbon taxes, CAFE standards, all of it. If these guys claiming "Global Climate Change" cought up the data so we can SEE the context. If the data does not exist then we hold up until it is replicated by someone else.

hazlnut
12-01-2009, 06:39 PM
Wiki is not an unbiased source. Nice try though.

Gator:

See all those numbers in brackets [10],[12]....?

Those are the sources...

Good effort though.;)


^ Revkin, Andrew C. (November 27, 2009). "Hacked E-Mail Data Prompts Calls for Changes in Climate Research". New York Times. Retrieved 28 November 2009. "A fierce debate over the significance of the hacked material erupted as soon as the e-mail messages and other documents surfaced on Web sites just over a week ago. Some see in the e-mail correspondence — which includes heated discussions about warming trends, advice on deleting potentially controversial e-mail messages and derisive comments about climate skeptics — evidence of a conspiracy to stifle dissenting views and withhold data from public scrutiny, or, as some have put it, “Climategate.”"
^ Gardner, Timothy (2009-11-23). "Hacked climate e-mails awkward, not game changer". Reuters. Archived from the original on 2009-11-26. Retrieved 2009-11-26. "Already dubbed "Climategate," e-mails"
^ Delingpole, James (November 27th, 2009). "Climategate: the IPCC is over says UEA climate scientist". The Daily Telegraph. Retrieved 28 November 2009. "But Climategate is the game-changer that will make people listen."
^ ""Climatic Research Unit update - 17.45 November 23"". University of East Anglia. 23 November 2009.
^ a b c "Hackers target leading climate research unit". BBC News. 20 November 2009. "The e-mail system of one of the world's leading climate research units has been breached by hackers."
^ a b Webster, Ben (21 November 2009). "Sceptics publish climate e-mails 'stolen from East Anglia University'". The Times. "Scientists' Leaked Correspondence Illustrates Bitter Feud over Global Warming"
^ a b c Johnson, Keith (November 23, 2009). "Climate Emails Stoke Debate:Scientists' Leaked Correspondence Illustrates Bitter Feud over Global Warming". U.S. NEWS (The Wall Street Journal). Retrieved 24 November 2009.
^ "Climatic Research Unit update - University of East Anglia". UEA. Retrieved 2009-11-28.
^ a b c d e Eilperin, Juliet (21 November 2009). "Hackers steal electronic data from top climate research center". The Washington Post.
^ "Hacked E-Mails Fuel Global Warming Debate". wired.com. Retrieved 2009-11-25.
^ a b c Hickman, Leo, "and agencies", "Climate scientist at centre of leaked email row dismisses conspiracy claims", November 24, 2009, The Guardian. Retrieved November 25, 2009.
^ a b c d "Climate sceptics claim leaked emails are evidence of collusion among scientists | Environment". The Guardian. Retrieved 2009-11-24.
^ a b c d e f g Revkin, Andrew C. (20 November 2009). "Hacked E-Mail Is New Fodder for Climate Dispute". The New York Times.
^ "Hacked climate emails called a smear campaign". www.reuters.com. Retrieved 2009-11-26.
^ a b "East Anglia University Statement on Hacking of Climate Research Unit Emails". University of East Anglia – Communications Office. 23 November 2009.
^ a b c Staff (22 November 2009). "Scientist: Leak of climate e-mails appalling". The Associated Press.
^ Roger Harrabin, BBC News: Inquiry into stolen climate e-mails, 2009-11-27, last accessed 2009-11-29
^ a b c Stringer, David (21 November 2009). "Hackers leak e-mails, stoke climate debate". The Associated Press.
^ a b McMillan, Robert (20 November 2009). "Global warming research exposed after hack". Computerworld. Archived from the original on 2009-11-26. Retrieved 2009-11-26. "Judging from the data posted, the hack was done either by an insider or by someone inside the climate community who was familiar with the debate, said Robert Graham, CEO with the consultancy Errata Security. Whenever this type of incident occurs, "80 percent of the time it's an insider," he said."
^ Schmidt, Gavin (23 November 2009). "The CRU hack: Context". RealClimate.
^ McIntyre, Steve (23 November 2009). ""A miracle just happened"". Climate Audit.
^ Taylor, Matthew; Arthur, Charles (27 November 2009). "Climate email hackers had access for more than a month". The Guardian.
^ "Stolen E-Mails Sharpen a Brawl Between Climate Scientists and Skeptics - NYTimes.com". www.nytimes.com. Retrieved 2009-11-25.
^ "Impact of CRU Hacking on the AMS Statement on Climate Change". American Meteorological Society. 25 November 2009.
^ "Contrarians Using Hacked E-mails to Attack Climate Science". 23 November 2009.
^ "James Hansen: Climate Change Evidence 'Overwhelming,' Hacked E-mails 'Indicate Poor Judgement' - The Human Condition Blog - Newsweek.com". newsweek.com. Retrieved 2009-11-26.
^ George Monbiot.Global warming rigged? Here's the email I'd need to see
^ Curry, Judith, quoted from her e-mail in "Curry: On the credibility of climate research", blog post, November 22, 2009, Climate Review blog. Retrieved November 24, 2009.
^ Freedman, Andrew (23 November 2009). "Science historian reacts to hacked climate e-mails". The Washington Post.
^ Moore, Matthew. "Climate change scientists face calls for public inquiry over data manipulation claims". The Telegraph. Retrieved 2009-11-24.
^ a b c "Lawmakers Probe Climate Emails", Wall Street Journal, 24 November 2009.
^ "United States Senator James Inhofe : Press Room". Inhofe.senate.gov. Retrieved 2009-11-28.
^ STRASSEL, KIMBERLEY A. (NOVEMBER 26, 2009, 6:52 P.M. ET). "'Cap and Trade Is Dead'". Opinion (The Wall Street Journal). Retrieved 27 November 2009.
^ "Queen's speech debate: climate change". BBC News. 24 November 2009.
^ Nigel Lawson (1 November 2005). "Against Kyoto". Retrieved 2007-11-20.
^ a b Hickman, Leo, "Climate change champion and sceptic both call for inquiry into leaked emails", November 23, 2009, The Guardian. Retrieved November 25, 2009.
^ Matt Dempsey, "Listen: Inhofe Says He Will Call for Investigation on "Climategate" on Washington Times Americas Morning Show" blog post, November 23, 2009, "The Inhofe EPW Press Blog" at the U.S. Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works website. Retrieved November 29, 2009.
^ a b Pretending the climate email leak isn't a crisis won't make it go away, by George Monbiot, The Guardian, 25 November 2009
^ Gardner, Timothy (Mon Nov 23, 2009 4:07 pm EST). "Hacked climate e-mails awkward, not game changer". Green Business (Reuters). Retrieved 24 November 2009.
^ Moore, Matthew. Climate change scientists face calls for public inquiry over data manipulation claims. The Telegraph, 24 November 2009.
^ "Climatic Research Unit update - November 24, 3.30pm - University of East Anglia (UEA)". www.uea.ac.uk. Retrieved 2009-11-25.
^ Climate Research: an article unleashed worldwide storms
^ "Hans von Storch". Coast.gkss.de. Retrieved 2009-11-28.
^ "University of East Anglia emails: the most contentious quotes". The Daily Telegraph. 23 November 2009. Retrieved 25 November 2009.
^ Published: 8:00AM GMT 21 Nov 2009. "Climate scientists accused of 'manipulating global warming data'". Telegraph. Retrieved 2009-11-24.
^ "The CRU hack". RealClimate. 2009-11-20. Retrieved 2009-11-24.
^ "Hacked E-Mails Fuel Global Warming Debate". wired.com. Retrieved 2009-11-25.





But you already knew that.

Jfor
12-01-2009, 06:58 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_e-mail_hacking_incident#cite_note-AP_22_Nov-15)
For anyone really interested in the facts of the criminal case--here they are:





Go Jim Inhofe, keep shilling for energy corps. Your kids must be so proud...:rolleyes:

WTF are you trying to say by that wiki link? That there was no collusion to by AGW fanatics to keep the AGW movement alive when temps are dropping an not rising? Get fucking clue hazlturd. These"scientists" are the ones that are trying get money by continuing this AGW scam. The hockey stick theory is phony. The temp data that showed the 90's were the warmest on record was phony because of the location of thermometers underneath building exhaust vents, on asphalt parking lots, etc. When that was brought to light it prompted them to go back and fix the data. James Hansen of NASA was involved with that mess and he got egg on his face. You AGW freaks are the ones who are flat wrong. The only thing constant about this whole climate change crap is this, the climate fucking changes. man isn't changing it. A volcano spews more "greenhouse gases" into the air than man can ever dream to. Nature will take of itself. Spending trillions of dollars on cap and tax won't do a damn thing. If they were all so worried about the environment then they would flat out cap emissions. Not allow folks to buy credits for money so they can keep on polluting. You and wilbur should get together and sing kumbaya you fucking tree hugging assholes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElJFYwRtrH4

SarasotaRepub
12-02-2009, 07:49 AM
Bottom line is the AGW folks got caught with their pants down and now
everyone with a real or imagined interest in AGW is swarming to try and
deflect the emails. The old "taken out of context" line doesn't work when
the Right uses it and same goes for the wacky Left. Only the Left won't
accept it, they can't wrap their minds around the apparent truth that
they've been taken for a ride.

Nubs
12-02-2009, 08:59 AM
These scientists are guilty of scientific malpractice. The actions they participated in would get them dismissed from any reputable college freshman science class.

Sonnabend
12-03-2009, 06:38 AM
Hey look guys, Logan's Papa is back............

SarasotaRepub
12-03-2009, 07:17 AM
These scientists are guilty of scientific malpractice. The actions they participated in would get them dismissed from any reputable college freshman science class.

That is the core issue. This event, even though discovered illegally, has to call into question all work done on this. I'm sorry, I'm not (unlike a lot of the Left) willing to just say this is an isolated incident. It's probably just the tip of an iceberg. ;)

Global Warming has become a religion AND a cash cow. Past experience shows what happens when they mix.