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CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-02-2009, 02:07 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TivVcfSBVSM

I thought this was interesting. I don't agree with a lot of it myself, but I go on other conservative sites (like the Hannity forum) and I often see them talking about Marxist Critical Theory which came from the Frankfurt School and the Colombia University here in NYC--Basically it was "Cultural Marxism" and it was an insidious way for the communists to infiltrate capitalist culture and attack and eventually destroy the accepted cultural mores and values of a capitalist society from within, in order to make the populous more open to Marxism. Or to create cultural tension and instability, divisions, basically to divide a capitalist society through cultural warfare, and then while the two cultures are divided, sweep communism in.It's called Critical theory because it critiques whatever the accepted values are. I always see conservatives over there talking about it and many of them feel one of the two main facets of Critical Theory is radical feminism and the gay rights movement.

Now in relation to this clip of Nixon, he says essentially that homosexuality is the enemy of what he called 'strong societies'--He cites the example of the Ancient Greeks and the Romans as strong societies and how they were corrupted by homosexuality. He feels one of the worst things for the US would be for homosexuality to be thought of as normal, and he says:

"Homosexuality, and dope, and immorality in general--these are the enemies of strong societies. And that's why the communists and left-wingers are pushing the stuff: they're trying to destroy us."

He goes on to talk about how San Francisco was starting to go gay (this was 1971) but mainly the ''ratty parts of town'' and that the upper class of SF was all gay and that he ''wouldn't want to shake hands with anyone from San Francisco''

I just found it interesting since, it's funny, that since the rise of the 'New Left' of the 1960s, we've been fighting here in America what's been called culture wars, ever since the late 60s or early 70s. I don't know whether it really is a big conspiracy going back to the Frankfurt School, and I dont really agree with homosexuality being that insidious but it certainly is something to think about--the reason we've been fighting these culture wars, and how they've divided us so. It's something to consider either way.It kind of relates to today in a sense.

Rockntractor
12-02-2009, 02:10 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TivVcfSBVSM

I thought this was interesting. I don't agree with a lot of it myself, but I go on other conservative sites (like the Hannity forum) and I often see them talking about Marxist Critical Theory which came from the Frankfurt School and the Colombia University here in NYC--Basically it was "Cultural Marxism" and it was an insidious way for the communists to infiltrate capitalist culture and attack and eventually destroy the accepted cultural mores and values of a capitalist society from within, in order to make the populous more open to Marxism. Or to create cultural tension and instability, divisions, basically to divide a capitalist society through cultural warfare, and then while the two cultures are divided, sweep communism in.It's called Critical theory because it critiques whatever the accepted values are. I always see conservatives over there talking about it and many of them feel one of the two main facets of Critical Theory is radical feminism and the gay rights movement.

Now in relation to this clip of Nixon, he says essentially that homosexuality is the enemy of what he called 'strong societies'--He cites the example of the Ancient Greeks and the Romans as strong societies and how they were corrupted by homosexuality. He feels one of the worst things for the US would be for homosexuality to be thought of as normal, and he says:

"Homosexuality, and dope, and immorality in general--these are the enemies of strong societies. And that's why the communists and left-wingers are pushing the stuff: they're trying to destroy us."

He goes on to talk about how San Francisco was starting to go gay (this was 1971) but mainly the ''ratty parts of town'' and that the upper class of SF was all gay.

I just found it interesting since, it's funny, that since the rise of the 'New Left' of the 1960s, we've been fighting here in America what's been called culture wars, ever since the late 60s or early 70s. I don't know whether it really is a big conspiracy going back to the Frankfurt School, and I dont really agree with homosexuality being that insidious but it certainly is something to think about--the reason we've been fighting these culture wars, and how they've divided us so. It's something to consider either way.It kind of relates to today in a sense.

Go to bed. You have school in the morning!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-02-2009, 02:13 AM
Go to bed. You have school in the morning!

Nope, set my schedule so I'm off on Wednesdays. So Wednesday is my Day of Rest (tm)

Rockntractor
12-02-2009, 02:15 AM
Nope, set my schedule so I'm off on Wednesdays. So Wednesday is my Day of Rest (tm)

It looks like I'm rained out tomorrow.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-02-2009, 02:19 AM
Go to bed. You have school in the morning!


It looks like I'm rained out tomorrow.

Stay in and watch some All in the Family. That's what I'm doing--I've got a few of the seasons, I love that show.

Rockntractor
12-02-2009, 02:22 AM
Stay in and watch some All in the Family. That's what I'm doing--I've got a few of the seasons, I love that show.

We watched a red Skelton special tonight. That was pretty funny!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-02-2009, 02:25 AM
We watched a red Skelton special tonight. That was pretty funny!

Oh we didnt watch that..They had a whole thing on Ed Sullivan I think on VH1 and they showed clips from a lot of the old performances like of the Rolling Stones, The Beatles, stuff like that. I'm hoping the History Channel is going to be showing WWII in HD again.

Rockntractor
12-02-2009, 02:26 AM
Oh we didnt watch that..They had a whole thing on Ed Sullivan I think on VH1 and they showed clips from a lot of the old performances like of the Rolling Stones, The Beatles, stuff like that. I'm hoping the History Channel is going to be showing WWII in HD again.

I remember watching those live when I was a kid.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
12-02-2009, 02:34 AM
We watched a red Skelton special tonight. That was pretty funny!


I remember watching those live when I was a kid.

You watched World War II live on TV as a kid?!

Haha :D Sorry couldn't resist.

Constitutionally Speaking
12-02-2009, 05:40 AM
and I dont really agree with homosexuality being that insidious but it certainly is something to think about--the reason we've been fighting these culture wars, and how they've divided us so. It's something to consider either way.It kind of relates to today in a sense.



And THAT is one major part of the intent. The other is to undermine God and the founding principles of our Nation.

wilbur
12-02-2009, 11:10 AM
The divisiveness that these Marxists hope to encourage and exploit is really the default state of American democracy, and has been since the beginning.

I think people tend to hold this naive idea that its actually possible, in democracy, to bring about some state of affairs where a semi-permanent unity is acheived, where there will be little to fight about.... as if this state of affairs is the ultimate inevitable end product of our political and economic process (at least if YOU get YOUR way), rather than more disharmony... but it just ain't true. Once you've won your political battles, and won people over to your cause, and make the change you want to make, your reward is unlikely to be little other than more division and disharmony, ad infinitum.

If devision, conflict, cultural wars are the tools that usher in Marxism, then its hard to see American democracy and capitalism could be any more efficiently designed to bring it about.

Even democratic societies, from their birth, are akin to mud houses in a thuderstorm, that we are (frantically and with much worry) trying to hold together with a couple sticks.

Rebel Yell
12-02-2009, 11:15 AM
The divisiveness that these Marxists hope to encourage and exploit is really the default state of American democracy, and has been since the beginning.

I think people tend to hold this naive idea that its actually possible, in democracy, to bring about some state of affairs where a semi-permanent unity is acheived, where there will be little to fight about.... as if this state of affairs is the ultimate inevitable end product of our political and economic process (at least if YOU get YOUR way), rather than more disharmony... but it just ain't true. Once you've won your political battles, and won people over to your cause, and make the change you want to make, your reward is unlikely to be little other than more division and disharmony.

If devision, conflict, cultural wars are the tools that usher in Marxism, then its hard to see American democracy and capitalism could be any more efficiently designed to bring it about.

Oh this hurts, but you're right. It's not in human nature to get along.

noonwitch
12-02-2009, 11:55 AM
Nixon was a smart man, but a morally bankrupt one.


What has set the worst example for my generation (Xers):

Public acceptance of gay people like Martina Naritolova, Ellen Degeneres, etc.,

or

A president resigning because his staff committed serious crimes on his behalf with his knowledge and consent, including electronic espionage of the other party's campaign headquarters during a campaign for the highest office in the land?

AlmostThere
12-02-2009, 02:20 PM
I remember watching those live when I was a kid.

A Sunday night ritual. Whenever I'm walking down the street and pass an Italian mouse going the other way, I want to run up and say, "C'mon Topo, say it. Eddie, Keesa me goo'night!".