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megimoo
12-27-2009, 05:41 AM
Obama's Lost Face:"So here comes Obama,As Ignorant of All this as a Little Lamb."

Why did Chinese premier Wen Jiabao choose to publicly humiliate Barack Obama at Copenhagen? In their eyes, and those of much of the world, he has lost face, and with it, power and influence. While getting widespread play overseas, this story has been kept very quiet by our disinterested, nonpartisan media (I haven't seen it mentioned in any major U.S. outlet).

After promising to meet the Messiah at 7:00 p.m., Premier Wen stiffed him in favor of a meeting with the leaders of India, South Africa, and Brazil.

Rather than wait, a no-doubt infuriated Obama stalked into the room in question and demanded, "Are you ready to see me, Premier Wen?" No word on Wen's reaction, though he did submit to a discussion on the spot that evidently sealed the release of the immortal and glorious Copenhagen Quasi-Agreement on Climate Change.

So with Barack Obama, we've reached the point where the leader of record of the most powerful state in history has become a man you can casually stand up. But the question remains, why?

There are a number of reasons why the Chinese might take a cavalier attitude toward an American leader. China is the chief foreign holder of American debt, which may well have created an impression of the U.S. as a beggar nation on the level of a failed African republic. (I strongly suspect that words were exchanged on this topic during Obama's recent visit to China, though we're unlikely ever to learn about them in detail.)
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There's also the matter of race.

As is true of most Asians, the Chinese sense of racial superiority is cultural and innate. This is a people who refer to Caucasians as "ghost shadows";

what they,"The Chinese'", think of American blacks is probably best not dwelt upon.
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Then there's the deep aura of unseriousness that Obama has generated around himself. Though essentially incalculable, this factor is undeniable and will grow in importance and impact as time passes.

But there's one event in particular that very likely played a part -- the fact that, only a few weeks before, Obama publicly and notoriously bowed to the emperor of Japan.

Japan and China have a lengthy history, very little of which can be termed benign. They have always been rivals, often acting at cross purposes and usually at sword's point. But the past century of Sino-Japanese relations has been little short of horrendous.

Japan's militarist government occupied Manchuria in 1931 and proceeded to menace the Republic of China for several years afterward. In June 1937, as a result of a contrived confrontation known as the "Marco Polo Bridge Incident", Japan escalated to open conquest.

Occupying Nanking in December of that year, the Japanese army carried out a city-wide massacre that in little more than a month resulted in over 250,000 deaths. So brutal were Japanese actions that they could not, in a pre-Auschwitz world, be referred to directly in news accounts.

Sixty years passed before the story was completely told in Iris Chang's The Rape of Nanking (Chang, a less than stable personality in the first place, was so deeply affected that she later committed suicide, after telling friends that she could not get the images of the killings out of her mind.)

For nearly a decade Japan occupied vast areas of China, a period marked by further massacres, atrocities, and casual violations of the human spirit. It's safe to say that, but for the even viler activities of the Nazis, the Japanese occupation would stand as one of the peak moments of human cruelty in the modern era. (It's undeniable that Japanese human experiments in their Chinese and Manchurian prison camps were fully as loathsome as those of the Nazis.)

Though the Chinese don't discuss the matter, their attitude toward Japan and the Japanese can easily be imagined. Particularly since Japan, unlike Germany, has only in recent years reached the point of admitting to "irregularities" in its occupation, much less issuing an apology or offering reparations.

So here comes Obama, as ignorant of all this as a little lamb.

Many will recall the uproar that surrounded Ronald Reagan's 1985 visit to a German cemetery at Bitburg, instigated by the existence of SS graves within line of sight of the ceremony. The attitude of the Chinese to Obama's bow must be similar. From that point of view, Wen's behavior should be taken as a rebuke, not to the United States so much as to Obama personally.

Which only goes to underline the reason why diplomatic protocol exists in the first place -- to exclude through ritual actions all possibilities that error, misunderstanding, or personal pique might interfere with matters of state. Obama has yet to learn this.

His insistence on winging it, on reinventing established practice on his own terms, is potentially far more than simply embarrassing. It could be actively dangerous. His refusal to go by the rules may well have cost him the opportunity to pose as Savior of Gaia in Copenhagen. It may cost him -- and the country -- far more at some future time.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/obamas_lost_face.html

Sonnabend
12-27-2009, 10:38 AM
Obama humliated Obama.:rolleyes:

Teetop
12-27-2009, 11:18 AM
The Chinese, and others, see Obozo for what he is;






A paper Tiger.

expat-pattaya
12-27-2009, 11:55 AM
The Chinese, and others, see Obozo for what he is;






A paper Tiger.

They see America for what it is, a debtor state :(

Speedy
12-27-2009, 12:00 PM
I see him as a pompous idiot worthy only of well deserved contempt and disdain. Respect? Are you kidding? I had affair once with a young married woman. Her husband found out about it and confronted me about it. He did not threaten or take a swing at me or punch me in the mouth. All things that I would have had coming and to tell the truth, I would have been expecting. Instead, he came to me crying and begging me to stop seeing his wife. His wife came by my place of work later and I told her about the incident. She laughed her ass off. We continued our affair and even became very brazen about it.

He was weak. If he had been willing to show even the slightest amount of balls I would have stopped seeing his wife, she may have even respected him a little bit. Instead, he opened himself up to be treated like a whiney little bitch. That is what Obama reminds of, a whiney little bitch. Whiney little bitches do not get respect, they get contempt.

Apache
12-27-2009, 12:37 PM
"Why Did The Chinese Choose to Publicly Humiliate Obama at Copenhagen?"


Because the American public voted him into office...

AmPat
12-27-2009, 04:11 PM
"Why Did The Chinese Choose to Publicly Humiliate Obama at Copenhagen?"


Because the American public voted him into office...
And now we inherit the fallout. Predictably and well known to the rest of the world, although denied by or oblivious to the simple minded ( ie. liberals) in America, O Blah Blah was seen as and treated as the ignorant blowhard that he is.

He made much during his early campaigning, (I specify "early campaigning" to differentiate from the present since he hasn't stopped yet) of "restoring America's reputation." We didn't need our reputation restored in my arrogant ("arrogant because this is what liberals would label me as anyway) opinion because we hadn't done anything wrong.

O Blah Blah and his minions feel this irresistible need to apologize simply because we aren't European enough to suit them. The leftists believe that because Americans worked hard to acheive success that it must somehow be unfair and at the expense of others. Well I for one don't feel apologetic and therefore won't apologize for these imagined wrongs.

What I will do is apologize now to the world for our stupid electorate who elected this effete, liberal, wimp of a commiunity organizer who, if he had a tenth of an understanding of world history as he does muslim beliefs and practices, wouldn't have destroyed our Nation's standing and reputation in the world as it stands now.

I suppose I should have seen this coming. Afterall, it took 8 years of a Republican Administration to restore some dignity back into the Oval Orifice Whore house inherited from the DUmbnamic Arkansas Duo.

Eagle
12-27-2009, 04:36 PM
Because he knew that Obama wouldn't do anything. He knows that Obama ie weak.

megimoo
12-27-2009, 06:37 PM
Because he knew that Obama wouldn't do anything. He knows that Obama ie weak.

It has become obvious that China has a lot invested in it's coal fired infrastructure and it's industrial capability's depend on cheap coal fired fuel.

The Copenhagen treaty would have eventually demanded that China set future limits on CO2 emissions and demand a payoff for their past 'sins' and force them to gradually, at great expense,convert to some more expensive energy source .This would have a stifling effect on it's economic growth and delay their vision of world dominance.

To them Copenhagen was a major future problem in the making so I would suggest that their own Computer hackers were the ones who 'lifted' that climate fraud email and made it public just before the meetings.They then made an effort to hide their trail by blaming the Russian.

They further actively campaigned at the meeting to gather other emerging nations like India and 'stone wall 'the entire commitment session and made Obama look the 'fool' !

Rockntractor
12-27-2009, 06:44 PM
It has become obvious that China has a lot invested in it's coal fired infrastructure and it's industrial capability's depend on cheap coal fired fuel.

The Copenhagen treaty would have eventually demanded that China set future limits on CO2 emissions and demand a payoff for their past 'sins' and force them to gradually, at great expense,convert to some more expensive energy source .This would have a stifling effect on it's economic growth and delay their vision of world dominance.

To them Copenhagen was a major future problem in the making so I would suggest that their own Computer hackers were the ones who 'lifted' that climate fraud email and made it public just before the meetings.They then made an effort to hide their trail by blaming the Russian.

They further actively campaigned at the meeting to gather other emerging nations like India and 'stone wall 'the entire commitment session and made Obama look the 'fool' !





Not likely. It is to Chinas advantage that we continue to believe in the church of the global warming.
Russia sells energy,China sells products.

PoliCon
12-27-2009, 07:33 PM
They see America for what it is, a debtor state :(

and Obama is well on his way to tripling our debt. :mad: STUPID )*(^&*%* that he is.

megimoo
12-27-2009, 07:42 PM
Not likely. It is to Chinas advantage that we continue to believe in the church of the global warming.
Russia sells energy,China sells products.
To the extent of weakening America I would agree with you but it would become a 'double edged sword' and quickly engulf them as well.

They have many mountains of 'free coal' and have so far avoided the importation of expensive oil or gas to fuel their steel industry.Their logical source of gas would be Russia but they would be at their mercy and Russia would exploit them as it does Europe.

What does China care about 'Green House' gases or indeed about the myth of Global Warming.The air in the big Chinese cities is so polluted that one is unable to see the sun during the day and most people wear respiration filter masks to avoid breathing in the carbon soot.

Those who work in the steel mills have advanced cases of 'Carbon Lung' damage and most exhibit black carbon mucus draining from their nasal cavity's when they leave at the end of their day .

If algore were to visit and preach his bile they would likely lynch him .

Oil for China's steel and by extention its entire infrastructure would put them at the mercy of the oil producing nations.They already buy up most of the worlds oil as it is for their emerging transportation demands .Their dependence on cheap coal enables them to continue to expand and put off the inevitable expensive conversion process.

They are expanding at a 'break neck' pace and their economy is overheating .They have lost control of their planned growth rate and are heading for a credit crash.

There is no available world capitol to fuel their growth and their world markets are drying up.No exports, no cash, no more toys and baubles for America's Walmart and Target to sell for them.

Rockntractor
12-27-2009, 07:52 PM
To the extent of weakening America I would agree with you but it would become a 'double edged sword' and quickly engulf them as well.

They have many mountains of 'free coal' and have so far avoided the importation of expensive oil or gas to fuel their steel industry.Their logical source of gas would be Russia but they would be at their mercy and Russia would exploit them as it does Europe.

What does China care about 'Green House' gases or indeed about the myth of Global Warming.The air in the big Chinese cities is so polluted that one is unable to see the sun during the day and most people wear respiration filter masks to avoid breathing in the carbon soot.

Those who work in the steel mills have advanced cases of 'Carbon Lung' damage and most exhibit black carbon mucus draining from their nasal cavity's when they leave at the end of their day .

If algore were to visit and preach his bile they would likely lynch him .

Oil for China's steel and by extention its entire infrastructure would put them at the mercy of the oil producing nations.They already buy up most of the worlds oil as it is for their emerging transportation demands .Their dependence on cheap coal enables them to continue to expand and put off the inevitable expensive conversion process.

They are expanding at a 'break neck' pace and their economy is overheating .They have lost control of their planned growth rate and are heading for a credit crash.

There is no available world capitol to fuel their growth and their world markets are drying up.No exports, no cash, no more toys and baubles for America's Walmart and Target to sell for them.

No one could force them to participate but exposing it as a fraud doesn't help them any but it would help the Russians.

CorwinK
12-27-2009, 08:39 PM
its not even a question of being a beggar nation...just the fact that we owe them such a vast ammount of money is insane and they know that we aren't making any sort of economic progress toward paying them back. If someone owed me 20 bucks and wasn't making an effort to getting that back to me i would be highly annoyed and were talking about 800 Billion...with a B!!

patriot45
12-27-2009, 08:58 PM
its not even a question of being a beggar nation...just the fact that we owe them such a vast ammount of money is insane and they know that we aren't making any sort of economic progress toward paying them back. If someone owed me 20 bucks and wasn't making an effort to getting that back to me i would be highly annoyed and were talking about 800 Billion...with a B!!

This says it all!!

You have to watch it over there, it seems to be a rare video! They preface it with a jab at Bush, whatever!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCh90AVh9J4

Rockntractor
12-27-2009, 09:26 PM
its not even a question of being a beggar nation...just the fact that we owe them such a vast ammount of money is insane and they know that we aren't making any sort of economic progress toward paying them back. If someone owed me 20 bucks and wasn't making an effort to getting that back to me i would be highly annoyed and were talking about 800 Billion...with a B!!

It is not a matter of paying them back. They bought treasury bills as an investment, they can sell them anytime they like, no one is stopping them. The value went down when the economy went down. They put too many of their eggs in one basket. Any investor big or small should remember their investment can go down just as easily as it can go up. We are not entirely culpable here.

megimoo
12-27-2009, 10:16 PM
It is not a matter of paying them back. They bought treasury bills as an investment, they can sell them anytime they like, no one is stopping them. The value went down when the economy went down. They put too many of their eggs in one basket. Any investor big or small should remember their investment can go down just as easily as it can go up. We are not entirely culpable here.
In China's eyes we are. We have mismanaged our economy and they are left holding our bad debts.They suffer fools badly and to them Obama being 'Black' doesn't help matters much.The Chinese are very bigoted against those whom they consider to be racial inferiors.

I realize that's their problem but those idiots in Washington are still trying to sell them our 'T' Bills.They,the Chinese, are trying to shift their reserves into gold but there's only so much gold in the world and recently some trader tried to sell them gold plated metal ingots as real gold bars.The value of the 'T' bills are so low China will lose their shirt paying for gold bars with our 'T' notes.

We hold the gold reserves of many countries in our federal reserve vaults deep under New York City and China would love to get their hands on that gold stock.China is even investing in played out American gold mines out in Western United States hoping they will find a new vein to work .

Rockntractor
12-27-2009, 10:51 PM
In China's eyes we are. We have mismanaged our economy and they are left holding our bad debts.They suffer fools badly and to them Obama being 'Black' doesn't help matters much.The Chinese are very bigoted against those whom they consider to be racial inferiors.

I realize that's their problem but those idiots in Washington are still trying to sell them our 'T' Bills.They,the Chinese, are trying to shift their reserves into gold but there's only so much gold in the world and recently some trader tried to sell them gold plated metal ingots as real gold bars.The value of the 'T' bills are so low China will lose their shirt paying for gold bars with our 'T' notes.

We hold the gold reserves of many countries in our federal reserve vaults deep under New York City and China would love to get their hands on that gold stock.China is even investing in played out American gold mines out in Western United States hoping they will find a new vein to work .


You never know someday they may govern us but by that time they may be better than the government we have evolved into. I would rather be ruled by the Chinese than the muzzies!

patriot45
12-27-2009, 11:06 PM
You never know someday they may govern us but by that time they may be better than the government we have evolved into. I would rather be ruled by the Chinese than the muzzies!

No way! I wouldn't want to be ruled by either! I was ready to come over to God's country and hold out with you! If they dont look like us....shoot! :D

Cant lose that way!

Rockntractor
12-27-2009, 11:26 PM
No way! I wouldn't want to be ruled by either! I was ready to come over to God's country and hold out with you! If they dont look like us....shoot! :D

Cant lose that way!

Maybe we can talk teetop and lacarnut into joining Texas and Louisiana with Oklahoma! Texlouhoma!

megimoo
12-28-2009, 04:29 AM
Maybe we can talk teetop and lacarnut into joining Texas and Louisiana with Oklahoma! Texlouhoma!

They're already signed up as Texarkana .

lacarnut
12-28-2009, 05:24 AM
Maybe we can talk teetop and lacarnut into joining Texas and Louisiana with Oklahoma! Texlouhoma!

That would work for me. Just keep the damn Yankee out. We might let a few in provided they signed an allegiance oath.

PoliCon
12-28-2009, 10:39 AM
That would work for me. Just keep the damn Yankee out. We might let a few in provided they signed an allegiance oath.

You're just jealous because we tend to have all our teeth! :p

AmPat
12-28-2009, 02:24 PM
You're just jealous because we tend to have all our teeth! :p

That's why ya'll talk so pretty?:confused:

PoliCon
12-28-2009, 09:09 PM
That's why ya'll talk so pretty?:confused:

That's part of it ;)

Rockntractor
12-28-2009, 09:13 PM
They're already signed up as Texarkana .

I do.t know if I want Arkansas after Clinton!

megimoo
12-28-2009, 10:52 PM
I do.t know if I want Arkansas after Clinton!Texas and Oklahoma are natural enemies after all of that hot border dispute and cow rustling in the eighteen Twentys !


Texas - Oklahoma Finally Draw the Line

The border between Texas and Oklahoma meanders peacefully along 540 miles of twists and bends of the storied Red River. Peacefully, that is, except for an area within Lake Texoma, about 60 miles north of Dallas, that has been in hot dispute between the two states for almost 200 years.

This riverbank ruckus that once motivated an Oklahoma governor to approach the Red River in an Army tank may soon be settled for good by the U.S. Congress.

For years, both states have agreed that the border would run along the south bank (Texas side) of the Red River. But, the exact location of the river's south bank within Lake Texoma has never been determined.

The lack of a clearly defined border through the lake has resulted in years of disputes over property taxes, water and mineral rights, court jurisdictions, and hunting and fishing licenses.

Many a Texoma duck hunter, for example, has been fined for hunting on the poorly defined "wrong side" of the lake.

The original Texas-Oklahoma border was based on an 1821 treaty between Spain and the United State which was upheld in 1896 by the U.S. Supreme Court.
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http://usgovinfo.about.com/library/news/aa073100a.htm