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Elspeth
07-30-2008, 11:28 AM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/07/29/obama-to-house-democrats-this-is-your-moment/?mod=hpp_asia_blogs


July 29, 2008, 7:43 pm
Obama to House Democrats: ‘This Is Your Moment’

Sarah Lueck reports on Congress.

Sen. Barack Obama paid an upbeat visit to House Democrats, his first meeting with the full group of lawmakers whose fortunes are tightly tied to his this fall. “This is your moment,” he told them.

The Democratic presidential candidate told the group that the positive response he received in Germany and the rest of Europe was “not about him,” said House Democratic Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina. Rather, Obama said he was a “symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.” Lawmakers gave that remark a standing ovation.

Obama told House Democrats can help him succeed in the presidential race by extending his reach in the country, and lawmakers left the meeting with hope of teamwork on the campaign trail that would benefit both sides. “I think there are a series of of meetings into August about surrogate opportunities,” said Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee of Texas. “The message is, ‘We need you, so we need to work together.’”

In the question and answer session, Rep. Adam Schiff of California asked whether the Illinois senator would consider appointing a “team of rivals” to his cabinet, such as Defense Secretary Robert Gates. The question prompted some booing and hissing from the audience, according to a Democratic aide. Obama responded that it’s premature to say who he would name to his cabinet and that his job now is to get elected.

Other questions were on the nation’s need for infrastructure needs, the budget deficit and Obama’s assessment of Iran after his travels in the Middle East.

Obama said the deficit could be narrowed by stopping the Iraq war, ending tax cuts for the wealthy and bringing down levels of obesity to 1980s levels to keep Medicaid costs in check.

He addressed reporters briefly after the meeting and then walked away with his arm around House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California.

Pelosi said after the meeting, “Thank you, Senator Obama. Yes we can.”

NonConformist
07-30-2008, 11:33 AM
This from the guy that said rural America was a bunch of hicks and bigots who cling to our guns and bibles...

:mad:

Odysseus
07-30-2008, 01:18 PM
This from the guy that said rural America was a bunch of hicks and bigots who cling to our guns and bibles...
:mad:

He wasn't talking to rural America. He was talking to his fellow elites, who are as clueless as he is. I particularly love his agenda for deficit reduction:


Obama said the deficit could be narrowed by stopping the Iraq war, ending tax cuts for the wealthy and bringing down levels of obesity to 1980s levels to keep Medicaid costs in check.

The tax cuts led to record revenues, which congress spent. Raising taxes would lower revenues, but without spending cuts, the deficit will worsen.

Stopping the Iraq War will save money in the short run, but the rise of Iran as the regional power, the bloodbath in Iraq as sectarian violence resumes and the disruption of oil supplies from every country in the region as a result, will cause such huge hikes in oil prices that the deficit will be the least of our problems.

Finally, ending obesity wouldn't make a dent in Medicaid, but the cost of getting people to diet and exercise would bankrupt us. The only way to pay for a diet/exercise program for Medicaid recipients is to do it through Medicaid, which will expand the program exponentially.

What is this guy smoking?

MrsSmith
08-01-2008, 07:38 AM
He wasn't talking to rural America. He was talking to his fellow elites, who are as clueless as he is. I particularly love his agenda for deficit reduction:



The tax cuts led to record revenues, which congress spent. Raising taxes would lower revenues, but without spending cuts, the deficit will worsen.

Stopping the Iraq War will save money in the short run, but the rise of Iran as the regional power, the bloodbath in Iraq as sectarian violence resumes and the disruption of oil supplies from every country in the region as a result, will cause such huge hikes in oil prices that the deficit will be the least of our problems.

Finally, ending obesity wouldn't make a dent in Medicaid, but the cost of getting people to diet and exercise would bankrupt us. The only way to pay for a diet/exercise program for Medicaid recipients is to do it through Medicaid, which will expand the program exponentially.

What is this guy smoking?


He evidently missed the research done in the UK that discovered that obese people save medical money by dying younger. Of course, he can make up for that glitch by nationalizing healthcare and giving older folks the same choices as the State of Oregon...suffer without treatment, or assisted suicide.

Sonnabend
08-01-2008, 07:43 AM
bringing down levels of obesity to 1980s levels to keep Medicaid costs in check.

One word.

How?

AmPat
08-01-2008, 07:53 AM
Obama said he was a “symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.” Lawmakers gave that remark a standing ovation.

I don't believe "Our best traditions" ever included:
excessive taxation
Entitlement lifestyles,
Socialist government programs,
open Borders,
Special amendments/rights for deviants,
weak military,
soft treatment of terrorists,
negotiating with terrorist organizations.

I'm sure I've missed a few Obama/liberal pet beliefs and projects, but I'm shooting from the hip.:cool:

Hatejane
08-01-2008, 08:39 AM
One word.

How?



GREAT response BTW


the dull eyed obamabots will stand there and say through"change"


BO is so deluded on HOW his programs to "save America's broken Soul" will be paid for.


What an ass clown

Ree
08-01-2008, 11:51 AM
How much ya wanna bet anyone who makes over $40,000 a year will be classified as "rich"?

Elspeth
08-01-2008, 11:59 AM
GREAT response BTW


the dull eyed obamabots will stand there and say through"change"


BO is so deluded on HOW his programs to "save America's broken Soul" will be paid for.


What an ass clown

Speaking of deluded Obamabots, have you seen this video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ecDi1TDtw&feature=related

Molon Labe
08-01-2008, 12:18 PM
One word.

How?

That would be too specific for a politician to outline in a soundbite.

megimoo
08-01-2008, 02:34 PM
Speaking of deluded Obamabots, have you seen this video?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7ecDi1TDtw&feature=relatedHyptnotic gaze,Drumbeat Rap,Voodo Chants.How can he lose ?

vetwife
08-01-2008, 03:54 PM
As a christian I find offense in some of these ads.
People think what they want to think.
Elspeth, you are not really a Hillary supporter...this I know.

Elspeth
08-01-2008, 05:46 PM
As a christian I find offense in some of these ads.
People think what they want to think.
Elspeth, you are not really a Hillary supporter...this I know.

Vetwife,

I am very much a Hillary supporter, and I am interested to know why you believe otherwise.

biccat
08-01-2008, 07:01 PM
One word.

How?

Probably the same process that worked in the USSR.

vetwife
08-02-2008, 10:44 AM
Vetwife,

I am very much a Hillary supporter, and I am interested to know why you believe otherwise.
Because this is just an election and it is the Hillbots who seem a bit possessed. If the Hillary supporters were really her base, they would want to honor her wishes, if they supported her. Sounds like the
Rush Operation Chaos which worked.

Elspeth
08-02-2008, 12:13 PM
Because this is just an election and it is the Hillbots who seem a bit possessed. If the Hillary supporters were really her base, they would want to honor her wishes, if they supported her. Sounds like the
Rush Operation Chaos which worked.

I asked you why you didn't think I was a Hillary supporter, or a "Hillbot" as you so kindly call us. :rolleyes:

Your reasons are:

1. This is just an election.

I am not sure this pertains to me.

2. It is the "Hillbots" (thanks again:rolleyes:) who seem possessed.

Do I not seem possessed enough?

3. If the Hillary supporters were really her base, they would want to honor her wishes, if they supported her.

And what wishes of hers am I not honoring?

If you are referring to her public statements on "unity", that is supporting Obama, then I consider that statement political necessity on her part, not necessarily her truest wishes. A lot of us believe that she might still pull something off in Denver, at very least the VP slot. I never count the Clintons out, ever.

If Hillary is not on the ticket, I will not vote Democratic this year. This will be the first year in my entire adult life when I have not voted the Democratic ticket.


Edited to add:

And re: Operation Chaos, I think that was about getting Obama "selected" as the candidate. Read about the Karl Rove-Donna Brazile connection:

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/27/the-donna-brazile-karl-rove-connection/

Elspeth
08-04-2008, 02:18 PM
VetWife:

This describes me and other Hillary supporters:

http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/hillary-supporters-are-mad-and-theyre-not-going-to-take-it-anymore/

Hillary Supporters Are Mad and They’re Not Going to Take It Anymore!


If further evidence was needed, a report by Politico’s Ben Smith confirmed that all is not well within the Democratic Party. It seems that Democratic supporters of Hillary Clinton are attempting to secure her right to a roll call at the Convention by emailing members of the DNC. The hostile and sometimes threatening emails these Democrats have received back from DNC officials have been posted at the blog of Puma PAC.

And they are not alone in feeling the wrath of the Obama contingent. Susan Estrich, life long Democrat and former Michael Dukakis campaign manager, described the vicious hate mail she received when she warned in a recent column of the “hubris” phenomenon in the Obama camp.

As for the Puma PAC, this is a group founded by former Hillary Clinton supporters who declare as their goals:

* support Clinton “throughout this election cycle

* lobby and organize for changes in leadership in the DNC

* critique and oppose the misogyny, discrimination, and disinformation in the mainstream media, including mainstream blogs and other outlets of new media

* support the efforts of those political figures who have allied themselves with Hillary Clinton and who have demonstrated commitment to our first three goals.

I spoke with the founder of Puma PAC, Darragh Murphy. She’s not, as Obama supporters have claimed, a closet Republican or a John McCain plant. She’s a 39-year-old, mother of three from Massachusetts who was a small Hillary Clinton donor and who knocked on doors for Hillary in Philadelphia with her then 16-year-old daughter. She acknowledges that she did give money to John McCain in the 2000 primary because she “wanted him to beat George Bush.”

She started the blog on June 3, 2008 and got 35,000 hits in eight hours, As of now she has had over 1.2 million hits and 65,500 comments. The PAC raised $23,000 in June and she estimates an equal number in July. The PAC has approximately 5000 members.

What does her group want? She replies: “We have short term goals and long term goals. Our short, short term goal is to do everything we can to make sure the process is respected for Hillary at the Convention.” Murphy explained that just as Gary Hart and Jesse Jackson had the chance, they are making sure Hillary’s supporters get a chance to show their support. She says, “We are phoning and emailing and lobbying to make sure there is an open roll call and vote and her name is placed in nomination.”

One of Murphy’s members, William Kronert, is a Democrat from California. He tells me, “Never in the entire history have any two candidates come to what amounts to a tie in the primaries yet Senator Clinton has been ask over and over to drop out of the race. Surely others have taken their case to the convention and with far less pledged delegates as Senator Clinton.”

Murphy also believes that Hillary’s delegates need to “get a chance to shape the platform. They are being shut out of the process which is run by an official of the Obama campaign.”

On this score, Estrich confirms that the Obama team is playing hardball with supporters of his former rival. She confides:

There are stories kicking around about how African-Americans in at least two states (South Carolina and New York itself) who supported Hillary Clinton ended up with primary opponents in their own races for re-election to punish them for being pro-Clinton. This is not the way to win. There are stories kicking around that the reason (or one of them) that the highly effective Hillraisers are not raising the kind of money for Obama that they raised for Clinton is because they have been told that no matter what they do, they will never be the “equal” of the Obama fundraisers.

And what will the Puma members do after the Convention? Murphy concedes, “We’re realists. … We know the DNC is committed to the path of nominating their chosen candidate.” In November she explains, “We are protesting the election.” Members will sit home, write in Hillary’s name or vote for John McCain. She explains, “That up to them. That’s part of our whole philosophy.”

Kronert says that he won’t be voting for Obama and thinks “Obama is running his campaign on the ‘Change, Hope, a new kind of Politics’ marketing gimmick.” He also is one voter who thinks experience matters (”Obama is a two year senator with one year of that being on the campaign trail.”)

Shanon from Maryland, another Puma member who donated to Hillary and voted Democratic in five straight past elections won’t vote for Obama, listing his lack of experience, qualifications and track record among her concerns. She says, “I will vote McCain, third-party, stay home or write Hillary Clinton in. At this point, Ichabod Crane is looking better than the choices I have. But make no mistake, I have a choice.” Eli, a self-described “Clinton Democrat” from Massachusetts, says he’s not voting for Obama because “Quite simply, he is not qualified.”

Particularly galling to Murphy’s members is the treatment of the Florida and Michigan Democratic primary votes and the conduct of caucuses in Iowa, Texas and Nevada. As for the disputed primaries, Murphy explains, “You expect your vote will be counted. You expect your vote will matter.” And in the caucuses, she contends there are ample instances (documented in the case of Texas caucus for the Dallas election office) of “astonishing” instances of chaos, fraud and intimidation....(More at the link)

Goldwater
08-04-2008, 11:07 PM
Apparently this isn't the actual quote, and there are a couple of other sources that contradict it.

Something like "I can't take all the credit, I just became a symbol for all the people who want change."