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Bleda
01-31-2010, 06:40 AM
I'm curious, what is the conservative case against amnesty, and legalization of marijuana, prostitution and gay marriage? It's opposition, I know, but why? I've always been a die-hard conservative, but I've never really bothered with these issues. I've always been more of a national security/foreign policy kinda guy.

Anyway, I'm indifferent to all those issues, but I lean toward opposing them. Amnesty, because I don't think we should reward people for breaking the law. Legalization of marijuana, because I really hate drugs. Gay marriage, I don't really oppose or support it; I just don't think it's the government's business. As for prostitution, I have no idea what the arguments for and against it are.

Any help would be appreciated. :)

PoliCon
01-31-2010, 10:13 AM
Well lets do the easiest one first: Gay Marriage.

What the left does not want you to realize is that currently all 50 states of the union ALLOW gay marriage. I know - shocking right? If you'd listen to the stink you'd think that it was illegal. Well it's not. Not one of the 50 states or US territories has a law on the books making 'gay marriage' illegal. But you see - they don't want it to be allowed - they want it to be ENDORSED. They want over 2000 years of western civ thrown out the window and the term marriage redefined - ask yourself why? Why is state endorsement of their relationships so important?

PoliCon
01-31-2010, 10:14 AM
Amnesty - because the last time it was done the illegal problem got WORSE afterwords.

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18399

Bleda
02-01-2010, 01:10 AM
Yeah, I know about the gay marriage is allowed thing. I'm talking about state/federal recognition of marriage.

PoliCon
02-01-2010, 06:33 AM
Yeah, I know about the gay marriage is allowed thing. I'm talking about state/federal recognition of marriage.

So justify to me why is should be endorsed by the state. I have yet to hear a compelling reason for state endorsment that could not also be applied to every other form of deviant marriage - From mulitiples, to incestuous, to bestial, to 'under-aged.'

Bleda
02-01-2010, 07:19 AM
That's one of the reasons I'm concerned about gay marriage. It would set a precedent. If gay marriage is recognized, what if the polygamists start asking us to legalize polygamy? I mean, if they're adults and in love and it's consensual, etc, and we've already legalized gay marriage, why not legalize polygamy as well?

And what about marijuana and prostitution?

noonwitch
02-01-2010, 12:57 PM
I'm not a conservative, but I can think of humanitarian reasons for supporting strict border controls and for opposing the legalization of prostitution.

Illegal immigration makes it possible for desperate people to be exploited. Whether it's human smuggling across the US/Mexico border, or bringing in people illegally from Asia or other places-the people are being brought in as cheap labor/slave labor or as prostitutes. People can use their illegal status to continue to exploit them in this country.


I can see both sides to legalizing prostitution, but doing so would be a bureaucratic nightmare, and could lead to epidemics of STDs. No testing is stringent enough to make any kind of guarantee. On top of everything else, it would be legalizing the exploitation of human beings, even if they do consent to be exploited. I used to think if it was legal, it might take the pimps out of the equation and allow the women to keep their own money. It wouldn't happen like that-the pimps would be legitimate, at that point. They'd just call themselves agents or security.

PoliCon
02-01-2010, 11:41 PM
That's one of the reasons I'm concerned about gay marriage. It would set a precedent. If gay marriage is recognized, what if the polygamists start asking us to legalize polygamy? I mean, if they're adults and in love and it's consensual, etc, and we've already legalized gay marriage, why not legalize polygamy as well?

And what about marijuana and prostitution?

There is no if - they've been after it for ages and gay marriage would open the door wide for every other kind of deviant relationship to acquire state endorsement.

newbym
02-02-2010, 11:57 PM
I have to say that I don't have a case against amnesty. In fact, I argue quite passionately for amnesty, as long as it is done along certain guidelines (http://www.conservativeamnesty.org/qa.htm). The only other option to an amnesty would be mass deportation, which would be much worse for our nation that an amnesty done along conservative guidelines.

Rockntractor
02-03-2010, 01:55 AM
I have to say that I don't have a case against amnesty. In fact, I argue quite passionately for amnesty, as long as it is done along certain guidelines (http://www.conservativeamnesty.org/qa.htm). The only other option to an amnesty would be mass deportation, which would be much worse for our nation that an amnesty done along conservative guidelines.
Our actual unemployment rate is over 20%, why should we allow illegals to compete with those who obey are laws for jobs?

Bleda
02-03-2010, 03:46 AM
Good post, Noonwitch. I never looked at it that way before.

stsinner
02-03-2010, 07:58 AM
I have to say that I don't have a case against amnesty. In fact, I argue quite passionately for amnesty, as long as it is done along certain guidelines (http://www.conservativeamnesty.org/qa.htm). The only other option to an amnesty would be mass deportation, which would be much worse for our nation that an amnesty done along conservative guidelines.

That's shitting in the face of everyone through the generations who has waited in line, paid their money, learned how to be an American and done it the right way.. You don't reward criminals for breaking into your country and stealing jobs from Americans! They should be deported and told to get in line like everyone else, and we should only allow people into America as we NEED them, as in-if they will benefit this country in some way. American citizenship is not a right of whomever desires it.

Regarding marijuana-I think they should legalize and and stop dumping money down the shitter trying to stop it.. They'll never stop it.. We can't even keep people-sized people from crossing our borders, so how are we going to stop bundles of mary jane? It's wasteful and stupid.. People who smoke marijuana are mellow and peaceful, generally, from my experience... Every fight I've ever been involved in in a bar or at a party was fueled by alcohol, not marijuana, because alcohol makes some people aggressive... I've seen worse effects from alcohol than marijuana..

As for prostitution, noonwitch, Europe has legal prostitution with testing, and they don't have an STD problem.. They have a red light system where the lady puts a red light on her dash of her car and sits and reads a book or otherwise entertains herself until propositioned.. Or they can put a red bulb in the porch light... I've lived in Germany,and I've lived in Switzerland, and neither place did it seem to be a problem..

lacarnut
02-03-2010, 08:03 AM
That's shitting in the face of everyone through the generations who has waited in line, paid their money, learned how to be an American and done it the right way.. You don't reward criminals for breaking into your country and stealing jobs from Americans! They should be deported and told to get in line like everyone else, and we should only allow people into America as we NEED them, as in-if they will benefit this country in some way. American citizenship is not a right of whomever desires it.

Only an idiot would want to give amnesty to lawbreakers. Case closed.

stsinner
02-03-2010, 08:04 AM
Only an idiot would want to give amnesty to lawbreakers. Case closed.

An un-American idiot..