Murtha would still be alive if...

[rjas77]

...he didn't have insurance....

How's that for irony? :D

[asdf2231]

wth?

[PoliCon]

wth?

he died from an infection he got during surgery. If he had not had insurance - he would not have gotten the infection.

[lacarnut]

he died from an infection he got during surgery. If he had not had insurance - he would not have gotten the infection.

It was reported that the Dr made a slip and cut into his intestines in error which in turn resulted in the infection.

[asdf2231]

Yeah... he would have died of whatever they were trying to correct surgically killed him.

The fact that he did, or did not have insurance didnt have a damn thing to do with him living or dying.

You need surgery and you dont have insurance they still do the surgery to save you or correct serious problems. In which case he would have been an uninsured person with a big pending medical bill when he died of complications.

Still trying to figure out the point here.

[dogtowner]

It was reported that the Dr made a slip and cut into his intestines in error which in turn resulted in the infection.



I smell a lawsuit coming. And if your account is true, its goig to cost that doc.

[Gingersnap]

I smell a lawsuit coming. And if your account is true, its goig to cost that doc.

The complication Murtha died from is fairly common in that kind of surgery. There's no reason to believe it involved negligence or poor technique - it's a known risk.

Cutting open a human being is always a risk.

[FlaGator]

VRWC?

[lacarnut]

I smell a lawsuit coming. And if your account is true, its goig to cost that doc.

No doubt about it. Staff infections are killers. Whether he had insurance or not is of no consequence.

[stsinner]

Bullshit!! It looks like he died a couple of years ago.. He had such a long and fruitful life ahead of him if only doctors hadn't make a mistake..... Riiiiight..

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m247/brassmonkey71/Murtha2_file_doomsday_604x341.jpg

[noonwitch]

The complication Murtha died from is fairly common in that kind of surgery. There's no reason to believe it involved negligence or poor technique - it's a known risk.

Cutting open a human being is always a risk.


Because he was older, they might not have been able to do the gall bladder procedure with the laser, like I had done in the early 90s. If he had the old-fashioned surgery, the infection risks are pretty high, especially if the doctor made a mistake and the patient is elderly.

His doctor should have tried the ultrasonic machine. My surgeon said that was what the option was for people whose surgical risk factors were high.

[asdf2231]

Because he was older, they might not have been able to do the gall bladder procedure with the laser, like I had done in the early 90s. If he had the old-fashioned surgery, the infection risks are pretty high, especially if the doctor made a mistake and the patient is elderly.

His doctor should have tried the ultrasonic machine. My surgeon said that was what the option was for people whose surgical risk factors were high.

Maybe his Doctor was a member of the Tea Party. :D

[megimoo]

The complication Murtha died from is fairly common in that kind of surgery. There's no reason to believe it involved negligence or poor technique - it's a known risk.

Cutting open a human being is always a risk.These were Navy surgeons and Murthra crapped all over the Marines .Navy Corpsmen Pronounced (Coremen) are the Marines front line medics.They patch up the Marines just as they are hit right on the battle line.

They wear body armor and carry weapons.They are very,very fond of Marines and many go to med school after their hitch is up and become Navy Surgeons. It's best not screw over the Jarheads and then ask a Navy surgeon to operate on you !!

[rjas77]

wth?

He's still be alive if he didn't have insurance to pay for the surgery

[PoliCon]

Yeah... he would have died of whatever they were trying to correct surgically killed him.

The fact that he did, or did not have insurance didnt have a damn thing to do with him living or dying.

You need surgery and you dont have insurance they still do the surgery to save you or correct serious problems. In which case he would have been an uninsured person with a big pending medical bill when he died of complications.

Still trying to figure out the point here.

The issue he got surgery for wasn't life threatening.

[AmPat]

I'm sure it was a tongue-in-cheek comment. The left apparently believes that having insurance ensures immortality. I'm wondering if his death was Marine Corp retaliation for his Haditha comments.

[noonwitch]

The issue he got surgery for wasn't life threatening.



Gallstone/gallbladder pain is the worst pain I've experienced in my life. It's worse than broken bones, for sure. I never gave birth, but my mom always said that gallstone pain is worse. When the duct is obstructed, the intense pain doesn't let up until the stone passes or moves out of the way.

[PoliCon]

Gallstone/gallbladder pain is the worst pain I've experienced in my life. It's worse than broken bones, for sure. I never gave birth, but my mom always said that gallstone pain is worse. When the duct is obstructed, the intense pain doesn't let up until the stone passes or moves out of the way.

painful but not life threatening.

[rjas77]

People...My point was that the Left proudly trot out stories where people suffered and died because they DIDN'T have insurance to pay for the procedure as the rally cry for taxpayer paid health care. Here we have a case where a person had the best plan available yet died from an elective procedure of which if he didn't have the money or insurance he wouldn't have had the procedure done thus would still be alive.

Which raises another point...Both Sen. Kennedy and rep Murtha had the best care available, yet they still died due to illness.

[megimoo]

People...My point was that the Left proudly trot out stories where people suffered and died because they DIDN'T have insurance to pay for the procedure as the rally cry for taxpayer paid health care. Here we have a case where a person had the best plan available yet died from an elective procedure of which if he didn't have the money or insurance he wouldn't have had the procedure done thus would still be alive.

Which raises another point...Both Sen. Kennedy and rep Murtha had the best care available, yet they still died due to illness.
In the case of Kennedy his condition was incurable.Brain Cancer when it's that far advanced is always a killer.In Murtha's case occasionally Surgeons make mistakes and don't always find them .Some live some die,being operated on is inherently dangerous and to be avoided at all costs !

[lacarnut]

Maybe his Doctor was a member of the Tea Party. :D

Maybe the Doctor took too big a divot off the tea (tee). :D

[rjas77]

In the case of Kennedy his condition was incurable.Brain Cancer when it's that far advanced is always a killer.In Murtha's case occasionally Surgeons make mistakes and don't always find them .Some live some die,being operated on is inherently dangerous and to be avoided at all costs !

True that with Kennedy, but not so with Murtha...nevertheless, according to this report, hospital errors are responsible for 50-70 K deaths/year far more than that inflated figure of 45K the Left trot out because they didn't have health care.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/11856.php

If Americans would simply keep themselves healthy which in most cases is easily done, catistrophic catistrophic care is really all that required. Will some slip through the cracks...yup...but then that people even with the best of coverage often do.

My point is do we really need Universal health Care? No...we don't

[noonwitch]

painful but not life threatening.



It can be, if the stone is very large, or anything is infected. An infected gallbladder can lead quickly to liver problems in someone who maybe already has compromised health for other reasons, like age.


Any condition that causes one to vomit bile, literally, needs to be corrected.