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gator
06-03-2008, 08:49 PM
MCCain is throwing Bush under the bus.

What a jerkoff.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 08:51 PM
A Leader We Can Believe In.

Could the rip-off be more blatant? If this is really all McCain is coming to ball with it's going to be slaughter.

ralph wiggum
06-03-2008, 08:55 PM
A Leader We Can Believe In.

Could the rip-off be more blatant? If this is really all McCain is coming to ball with it's going to be slaughter.

Who is he ripping off? :confused: That has been one of McCain's slogans for quite some time in this campaign.

JB
06-03-2008, 08:55 PM
In January you can call him President Jerkoff.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 08:58 PM
Who is he ripping off? :confused: That has been one of McCain's slogans for quite some time in this campaign.

Obama's "Change We Can Believe In"

And I've never seen McCain with this speaking style, hes trying to sound like Obama. Look at the cue cards in the audience with "honor." This is a joke, if you want to see a speech tune into Barack Obama tear the roof of the same arena the Republicans will be using for their convention.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 08:59 PM
In January you can call him President Jerkoff.

He really honestly doesnt stand a chance if this is his approach. YOU GO AFTER OBAMA FOR HIS EXPERIENCE, NOT HIS POLICIES (which are overwhelmingly supported by Americans).

ralph wiggum
06-03-2008, 09:00 PM
Obama's "Change We Can Believe In"

And I've never seen McCain with this speaking style, hes trying to sound like Obama. Look at the cue cards in the audience with "honor." This is a joke, if you want to see a speech tune into Barack Obama tear the roof of the same arena the Republicans will be using for their convention.

You really have your fucking head up your ass.

It is 2008, there are NO MORE ORIGINAL SLOGANS, jerkweed.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 09:03 PM
You really have your fucking head up your ass.

It is 2008, there are NO MORE ORIGINAL SLOGANS, jerkweed.

You wont argue to obvious faults in McCain's approach. If Obama's voter registration push (it has been working very well so far) is even moderately successful McCain doesnt stand a chance. He looks like a fucking geezer.

Aklover
06-03-2008, 09:05 PM
He failed to define how we would become energy independent.

gator
06-03-2008, 09:06 PM
He could have said anything he wanted to tonight. There was no reason to have a Bush bashing session.

Bush has failed at several issues but he is still the leader of McCain's party and the President of the US.

The fact that McCain doesn't understand that he shouldn't publically disrespect a senior member of his own party speaks volumes that he is a jerk off.

He does not have my respect fo rseveral reasons but this little tirade tonight against Bush tonight shows me he has no class.

Fuck him.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 09:07 PM
He could have said anything he wanted to tonight. There was no reason to have a Bush bashing session.

Bush has failed at several issues but he is still the leader of McCain's party and the President of the US.

The fact that McCain doesn't understand that he shouldn't publically disrespect a senior member of his own party speaks volumes that he is a jerk off.

He does not have my respect fo rseveral reasons but this little tirade tonight against Bush tonight shows me he has no class.

Fuck him.

You voting Bob Barr?

Aklover
06-03-2008, 09:08 PM
MCCain is throwing Bush under the bus.

What a jerkoff.



W through himself under the bus. Unless you can convince 100 million people to vote for Bob Barr and down the line GOP in other elections McCain is the shitpiece we are stuck with.

gator
06-03-2008, 09:13 PM
You voting Bob Barr?

I don't think so. He has it wrong on several major issues like illegals.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 09:15 PM
W through himself under the bus. Unless you can convince 100 million people to vote for Bob Barr and down the line GOP in other elections McCain is the shitpiece we are stuck with.

I hate agreeing with crap, but thats the crap we are going to get. If it wasn't for the question of who is going to nominate the next Supremes, I would vote Barr. Bottom line we cant have Obonga in there!
Gator is right, it seems like its safe to dump on our President, ala Scott M.

gator
06-03-2008, 09:16 PM
W through himself under the bus. Unless you can convince 100 million people to vote for Bob Barr and down the line GOP in other elections McCain is the shitpiece we are stuck with.

I am not stuck with him. I am never again going to vote for another big government NeoCon. I am through with that. I did it for too many years and I know now it was wrong.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 09:21 PM
I am not stuck with him. I am never again going to vote for another big government NeoCon. I am through with that. I did it for too many years and I know now it was wrong.

Is it too late for the Government to change? Seems like every one of them likes to see thier quotes in lights. I know I'm not the only one out there who would like to hear the truth aka, big gov. is bad and freedom is good.
Newt in 2012!

megimoo
06-03-2008, 09:23 PM
He really honestly doesnt stand a chance if this is his approach. YOU GO AFTER OBAMA FOR HIS EXPERIENCE, NOT HIS POLICIES (which are overwhelmingly supported by Americans).You are pathetic little man,!Do you support him because of his color .Has he a platform that promises great things for America ?

Little is know about this man but as each day passes he appears to be less and less the man America needs at this time in history.Where do you people find these critters,Every candidate you people put up for election has more personal problems than a whore in the confessional .

Why not try a real loyal American for a change .Someone who will follow our constitution and protect our national interests or Is that too much to ask from you hate America liberal swine !

patriot45
06-03-2008, 09:26 PM
You are pathetic little man,!Do you support him because of his color .Has he a platform that promises great things for America ?

Little is know about this man but as each day passes he appears to be less and less the man America needs at this time in history.Where do you people find these critters,Every candidate you people put up for election has more personal problems than a whore in the confessional .

Why not try a real loyal American for a change .Someone who will follow our constitution and protect our national interests or Is that too much to ask from you hate America liberal swine !

Eyeball fell for the Hope and Change rhetoric. Its empty. Obomba is also a Marxist at heart.

gator
06-03-2008, 09:27 PM
Is it too late for the Government to change? Seems like every one of them likes to see thier quotes in lights. I know I'm not the only one out there who would like to hear the truth aka, big gov. is bad and freedom is good.
Newt in 2012!

It is too late for the electoral system to produce the changes we need. It is time for the revolution to restore the Republic and the Constitution.

Remember that Newt increased the budget while a Speaker of the House. He is smart but at the end of the day he still a big government NeoCon. By the way, he doesn't like assault weapons.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 09:35 PM
It is too late for the electoral system to produce the changes we need. It is time for the revolution to restore the Republic and the Constitution.

Remember that Newt increased the budget while a Speaker of the House. He is smart but at the end of the day he still a big government NeoCon. By the way, he doesn't like assault weapons.

I know its only words but this is a start from Newt;


We must change the mindset of big government in Washington. To achieve this we will replace bureaucratic public administration with Entrepreneurial Public Management and insist on congressional reform so government can operate with the speed, effectiveness, and efficiency of the information age..

ReaganForRus
06-03-2008, 09:48 PM
Gator is correct. Revolution may be the only option. Obama will institute national healthcare, a fairness doctrine that will silence any opposition, he will petition to have us under the ICC out of the Hague,he will regulate how you live and what your kids will learn in school, and he will come for our guns. He is a marxist leninist With Obama, we get Jimmuah Carter and a racist all combined into one package. You actually think he didn't listen, learn and endorse what the Reverend Wright , Father Pfleger and Louie F were dishing out all those years in Chicago in their respective churches? Grab your ankles and hold on because Obama's campaign will be BOHICA for everyone.......

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 10:03 PM
You are pathetic little man,!Do you support him because of his color .Has he a platform that promises great things for America ?

Little is know about this man but as each day passes he appears to be less and less the man America needs at this time in history.Where do you people find these critters,Every candidate you people put up for election has more personal problems than a whore in the confessional .

Why not try a real loyal American for a change .Someone who will follow our constitution and protect our national interests or Is that too much to ask from you hate America liberal swine !

I believe in a big government, and Barack Obama is the most liberal candidate in the race. I agree with him on almost every issue.

gator
06-03-2008, 10:05 PM
I believe in a big government, and Barack Obama is the most liberal candidate in the race. I agree with him on almost every issue.


You will also get the big government with McCain just like you got with Bush.

You will win no matter who wins the general election.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 10:06 PM
I believe in a big government, and Barack Obama is the most liberal candidate in the race. I agree with him on almost every issue.

Hahhahah, snort, we had no clue! The question was , why DO you post here!?!

Aklover
06-03-2008, 10:08 PM
You will also get the big government with McCain just like you got with Bush.

You will win no matter who wins the general election.


Don't overload the tard with too much reality and rational thought all at once.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 10:09 PM
You will also get the big government with McCain just like you got with Bush.

You will win no matter who wins the general election.

We have to ride this wave for 4 years, I have to believe someone will wake up during this time and be right for America. Maybe the guy that will endorse the Fairtax.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 10:09 PM
You will also get the big government with McCain just like you got with Bush.

You will win no matter who wins the general election.

Well if were gonna have a big government I think we can all agree that tax cuts make no sense.

Aklover
06-03-2008, 10:12 PM
Well if were gonna have a big government I think we can all agree that tax cuts make no sense.



Cutting Capital Gains taxes increased revenue.

gator
06-03-2008, 10:14 PM
Well if were gonna have a big government I think we can all agree that tax cuts make no sense.

Sure, if we are going have big government then you either raise the money real time to pay for it or you go borrow the money.

Either one screws the country. Probably between the two it is better of the two evils is to borrow the money because then you leave more money in the public sector which will provide the most growth and the most future income.

What really makes no sense is to have big government in the first place.

Goldwater
06-03-2008, 10:17 PM
He really honestly doesnt stand a chance if this is his approach. YOU GO AFTER OBAMA FOR HIS EXPERIENCE, NOT HIS POLICIES (which are overwhelmingly supported by Americans).

Ha, no they're not. He has support because of Bush and the last 8 years, just as Reagan destroyed Carter because of his terrible term.

gator
06-03-2008, 10:18 PM
Cutting Capital Gains taxes increased revenue.

Cutting almost any tax produces increased revenues but the Capital Gains is the king.

The Liberals hate it because the poor base of Liberal support do not think they benefit from it although they really do.

Goldwater
06-03-2008, 10:26 PM
Cutting almost any tax produces increased revenues but the Capital Gains is the king.

The Liberals hate it because the poor base of Liberal support do not think they benefit from it although they really do.

Spending should be cut when taxes are cut, the Bush tax cuts did not have these, hence their effect may have been weakened, just like with John Major's cuts of the 90s.

lacarnut
06-03-2008, 10:28 PM
Well if were gonna have a big government I think we can all agree that tax cuts make no sense.

We can all agree that you are too young and stupid to know what you are talking about. Your educational and work background in accounting and auditing is what. Answer, ZERO.

gator
06-03-2008, 10:33 PM
Spending should be cut when taxes are cut, the Bush tax cuts did not have these, hence their effect may have been weakened, just like with John Major's cuts of the 90s.

Correct. For every tax cut there should be a real reduction in spending.

I would suggest a twofor. For every dollar of spending cut we decrease taxes by fifty cents and spend the other fifty cents on debt reduction.

I would like to see a 1.5 trillion dollar a year decrease in spending. Putting $750 billion back in the economy and reducing the debt by $750 billion would do more to straighten out this country than anything you could think of.

lacarnut
06-03-2008, 10:34 PM
Cutting almost any tax produces increased revenues but the Capital Gains is the king.

The Liberals hate it because the poor base of Liberal support do not think they benefit from it although they really do.

If and when Congress considers eliminating or reducing the capital gains tax, I will sell my house. Might even move to Panama.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 10:44 PM
Obama just schooled McCain.

gator
06-03-2008, 10:49 PM
Obama just schooled McCain.

All he did was spout stupid socialism.

Just about everything he mentioned would be a disaster for this country.

He is Jimmy Carter on steriods. He will screw our country even more than Carter.

Who is going to pay for the crap he talked about? You?

lacarnut
06-03-2008, 10:52 PM
You wont argue to obvious faults in McCain's approach. If Obama's voter registration push (it has been working very well so far) is even moderately successful McCain doesnt stand a chance. He looks like a fucking geezer.

And you won't argue that Obama & his wife are left wing liberal racists. Americans will not elect a Prez that does not love his country.

One day a black or a woman will be Prez but not this fucking racist.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 10:54 PM
[QUOTE=gator;2829]All he did was spout stupid socialism.

Just about everything he mentioned would be a disaster for this country.

He is Jimmy Carter on steriods. He will screw our country even more than Carter.

Who is going to pay for the crap he talked about? You?[/QUOT


Eyelids is a "provacatouer light"

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 10:55 PM
All he did was spout stupid socialism.

Just about everything he mentioned would be a disaster for this country.

He is Jimmy Carter on steriods. He will screw our country even more than Carter.

Who is going to pay for the crap he talked about? You?

Sure I will. And so will you and everybody else in this country. He's going to win this election, you saw that speech.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 10:59 PM
And you won't argue that Obama & his wife are left wing liberal racists. Americans will not elect a Prez that does not love his country.

One day a black or a woman will be Prez but not this fucking racist.

Barack Obama loves America more than John McCain, of that I am certain. Pride in your country isnt defined by what your willing to put up with in archaic "houses of god" or what you wear on your shirt. Pride is defined by what you make of the opportunities America presents.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 11:00 PM
Sure I will. And so will you and everybody else in this country. He's going to win this election, you saw that speech.

You do sound proud of trying to run this country into the ground.
Why?

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 11:01 PM
You do sound proud of trying to run this country into the ground.
Why?

Racking up a massive deficit and starting random unprovoked wars arent running this country into the ground but asking people to work for the greater good of society is?

Phillygirl
06-03-2008, 11:04 PM
Racking up a massive deficit and starting random unprovoked wars arent running this country into the ground but asking people to work for the greater good of society is?

I would just like to ask people to work. That would be a great start.

Phillygirl
06-03-2008, 11:05 PM
Barack Obama loves America more than John McCain, of that I am certain. Pride in your country isnt defined by what your willing to put up with in archaic "houses of god" or what you wear on your shirt. Pride is defined by what you make of the opportunities America presents.

Pride is measured by what you give this country...not what you take from it. I think you would agree that McCain clearly outshines Obama in that regard.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 11:08 PM
Racking up a massive deficit and starting random unprovoked wars arent running this country into the ground but asking people to work for the greater good of society is?

The deficit has seemed to be a part of my life forever no matter who is in there. The starting unprovoked war thing you threw in is wierd, what was your DU name? I missed it when it was asked before.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 11:09 PM
I would just like to ask people to work. That would be a great start.

Obama's not talking about giving things to people who dont deserve them. The best, brightest and hardest-working are the ones who will get college educations, also those who chose to serve the US military. Obama is better for the future of this country, and this whole idea that he is the first step in a new direction for America will be the ultimate demise of John McCain.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 11:12 PM
Obama's not talking about giving things to people who dont deserve them. The best, brightest and hardest-working are the ones who will get college educations, also those who chose to serve the US military. Obama is better for the future of this country, and this whole idea that he is the first step in a new direction for America will be the ultimate demise of John McCain.

Left is a direction. Left is not right.(double meaning there)

Phillygirl
06-03-2008, 11:12 PM
Obama's not talking about giving things to people who dont deserve them. The best, brightest and hardest-working are the ones who will get college educations, also those who chose to serve the US military. Obama is better for the future of this country, and this whole idea that he is the first step in a new direction for America will be the ultimate demise of John McCain.

So you aren't really familiar with his policies, then, are you?

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 11:18 PM
So you aren't really familiar with his policies, then, are you?

And you are?

He's the one who supported a bill to give veterans college education. He's talking about investing in education, investing the future. America used to have a cheif export of innovation and invention; and this whole stupid conservative idea of defunding public schools and choking them is crippling us. Put kids in school to learn with every cent you possibly can, because the investment of a great education ALWAYS pays off.

patriot45
06-03-2008, 11:20 PM
And you are?

He's the one who supported a bill to give veterans college education. He's talking about investing in education, investing the future. America used to have a cheif export of innovation and invention; and this whole stupid conservative idea of defunding public schools and choking them is crippling us. Put kids in school to learn with every cent you possibly can, because the investment of a great education ALWAYS pays off.

I thought you were a teacher? Investing taxpayer money for education from teachers like you would be a demise in society, don t you agree?

Phillygirl
06-03-2008, 11:23 PM
And you are?

He's the one who supported a bill to give veterans college education. He's talking about investing in education, investing the future. America used to have a cheif export of innovation and invention; and this whole stupid conservative idea of defunding public schools and choking them is crippling us. Put kids in school to learn with every cent you possibly can, because the investment of a great education ALWAYS pays off.

I am familiar. His college plan doesn't have to do with the best and the brightest...it has to do with the poor. And he will have the middle class and "rich" paying for it. You can keep throwing money at our public schools all you want...that's not the answer to the problem. Most parochial schools have a much smaller budget per child, yet manage to turn out a much more capable student in terms of societal production.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 11:36 PM
I thought you were a teacher? Investing taxpayer money for education from teachers like you would be a demise in society, don t you agree?

hahahahahahaha

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 11:38 PM
I am familiar. His college plan doesn't have to do with the best and the brightest...it has to do with the poor. And he will have the middle class and "rich" paying for it. You can keep throwing money at our public schools all you want...that's not the answer to the problem. Most parochial schools have a much smaller budget per child, yet manage to turn out a much more capable student in terms of societal production.

I'm talking about building a more intelligent population. Not a bunch of megimoo's who cant punctuate and john c calhouns who have the optimal brain function of a fish.

You just dont get that, you never will. You've been brainwashed into hating America and the people who live in it.

Eyelids
06-03-2008, 11:40 PM
Guys, look at Bush's approval ratings. Now there will be some shift in McCain's favor, but Obama is going to win this election. He has more resources to push a much stronger message.

Phillygirl
06-03-2008, 11:44 PM
I'm talking about building a more intelligent population. Not a bunch of megimoo's who cant punctuate and john c calhouns who have the optimal brain function of a fish.

You just dont get that, you never will. You've been brainwashed into hating America and the people who live in it.

No. The difference is I've always worked for what I've gotten. I believe that not everybody is college material, no matter how much money you throw at the teacher's pension funds. And I've learned that one should be grateful when you are given a break in life...not bitter and resentful at those that gave you the break. And somehow I managed to make it through high school, college, and post-graduate school without going to school at 4 years old on the government's dime. I think breakfast should be eaten at home; the school should not the government's answer to Denny's; and the answer to gang violence is not giving out condoms evolution class.

Obama and I see things a bit differently.

lacarnut
06-04-2008, 12:05 AM
I thought you were a teacher? Investing taxpayer money for education from teachers like you would be a demise in society, don t you agree?

He is a habitual liar. He lied about being a teacher, He lied about his IP from Chicago. He lied about receiving his rebate check prior to the first ones that were sent out in May. He even had the audacity to tell us what he puchased with his check. No rebate check for non-working students.

He is a dumb ass who could be a wigger rather than a black boy. A wigger is someone that wants to be black, listens to rap crap, dresses like they come from the hood and tries to emulate their gangsta style.

Eyelids
06-04-2008, 12:09 AM
No. The difference is I've always worked for what I've gotten. I believe that not everybody is college material, no matter how much money you throw at the teacher's pension funds. And I've learned that one should be grateful when you are given a break in life...not bitter and resentful at those that gave you the break. And somehow I managed to make it through high school, college, and post-graduate school without going to school at 4 years old on the government's dime. I think breakfast should be eaten at home; the school should not the government's answer to Denny's; and the answer to gang violence is not giving out condoms evolution class.

Obama and I see things a bit differently.
So people who work hard and display college-worthy potential but just lack the resources should be left out to rot? Even if they join the military they dont get that college education.

megimoo
06-04-2008, 12:54 AM
No. The difference is I've always worked for what I've gotten. I believe that not everybody is college material, no matter how much money you throw at the teacher's pension funds. And I've learned that one should be grateful when you are given a break in life...not bitter and resentful at those that gave you the break. And somehow I managed to make it through high school, college, and post-graduate school without going to school at 4 years old on the government's dime. I think breakfast should be eaten at home; the school should not the government's answer to Denny's; and the answer to gang violence is not giving out condoms evolution class.

Obama and I see things a bit differently.Will somebody put that little twerp Eyeball to bed already !

lacarnut
06-04-2008, 01:02 AM
So people who work hard and display college-worthy potential but just lack the resources should be left out to rot? Even if they join the military they dont get that college education.


Horse manure; you not are entitled to a damn thing in this country. Not education, not housing, not food, not welfare stamps, not WIC vouchers.

I went to college with a friend who was married. He had no help from his parents nor a scholarship. He worked at a 7-11 store 7 days a week 8 to 10 hours a day during the week and 12 hours on the weekend. He could have sat on his ass with his hand out but he worked and earned his way. Something that blacks like you do not understand. The problem in this country is not that people don't have the opportunity, they are too lazy to get off their lazy ass. The sick and elderly should be helped but able bodied men and women need to get the lead out and get a job.

I used my GI bill to go to college so I do not know what you are babbling about. The GI bill for college is alive and well.

Constitutionally Speaking
06-04-2008, 06:36 AM
You wont argue to obvious faults in McCain's approach. If Obama's voter registration push (it has been working very well so far) is even moderately successful McCain doesnt stand a chance. He looks like a fucking geezer.

And yet Obama's policies are nearly identical to the ones that Jimmy Carter tried. Those policies led to REAL economic problems.

Unemployment of nearly 9.7%
Interest rates on a 30 year mortgage of 18.9%
and Inflation of 13.5%

Compared to unemployment of 5% (and falling) today
30 year mortgage rates between 5-6%
and Inflation of 4.1% last year


It got so bad under Jimmy Carter that even he IN AN ELECTION YEAR had to admit how bad things were (except of course he blamed the citizens) in his "malaise" speech.


As bad as his domestic policies were, his foreign policy was worse. His policies led directly to the rise of radical Islam and also helped the Soviet Union to nearly achieve their goal of world domination.

Obama's policies are NOTHING more than Jimmy Carter's policies and they not just failed, they nearly destroyed the free world.

Yet there are idiots who never learn from history and buy into his idiotic "change" mantra.

He preaches resentment and class division - and the press bills him as someone who can bring us together.

We will get what we deserve if we elect this empty suit.

He is not qualified to run the local Kmart, yet the idiots in the Dem party have hung out a "no experience necessary" sign for the most important job in the world.

gator
06-04-2008, 07:25 AM
And you are?

He's the one who supported a bill to give veterans college education.

That is funny because I got a college education as a veteran under Nixon.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about, do you?

Gern
06-04-2008, 07:42 AM
Sure I will. And so will you and everybody else in this country. He's going to win this election, you saw that speech.


Too bad it's an election to be President and not a contest in speech giving. Otherwise, I'd say you're right he'd probably win based on his " ...and a chicken in every pot" rabblerousing speech last night.

Liberal white guilt only means so many votes. Hillary was the best chance you buffoons had, but she wasn't left enough, and, though blindly voting for a woman would have assuaged some liberal guilt, Obama's a home run--when he loses at least white liberals can say they voted for him and feel better about themselves.

gator
06-04-2008, 07:44 AM
Racking up a massive deficit and starting random unprovoked wars arent running this country into the ground but asking people to work for the greater good of society is?

Has the deficit decreased since the Democrats took over Congress? I don't think so. Didn't the Democrats cry like a baby when the Republicans finally got around to suggesting a reduction in spending last year?

The last three Democrat Presidential candidates (Gore, Kerry, Obama) all have run on a platform of increased spending and increased taxation. What economic training do you have that makes you think that he will somehow reduce the deficit? What is his plan other than class warfare bullshit that morons like you eat up that says "tax the rich"? How is Obama going to deal with the massive 56 Trillion dollar entitlement debt that this country is facing? Is he going to tax the people an additional 56 trillion dollars over the existing tax burden or what?

As far as random unprovoked wars remember the last Democrat President got us into two random unprovoked wars and he squandered the Cold War bonus by spending on God knows what and we got nothing substantial for it.

Also remember that your boy Obama is going to speak before the American Isreali League this week. He will promise the pro Israel lobby the moon and the stars in order to get their support. He will declare that he will support Israel at all cost. That support will insure another 50 years of conflict with a billion Arabs. He will also cut and run from Iraq before the mission is completed that will result in a victory for the terrorists and further conflict just like it did when Clinton ran.

You have picked probably the worst Presidential candidate other than John Kerry in the last 100 years to support. You are a real dumb ass.

Skygod
06-04-2008, 09:04 AM
So people who work hard and display college-worthy potential but just lack the resources should be left out to rot? Even if they join the military they dont get that college education.

Thats a LIE.

I went to college on the GI Bill.

Molon Labe
06-04-2008, 12:15 PM
Racking up a massive deficit and starting random unprovoked wars arent running this country into the ground but asking people to work for the greater good of society is?

You mean unprovoked wars that Democrats tend to get us involved in (See Wilson, Truman, and LBJ). It's also a lie that Clinton balanced the budget. Democrats are as guilty as Reblican's for the waste fraud and abuse and neither have the moral upperhand on getting us involved in stupid conflicts.

Eyelids
06-04-2008, 12:34 PM
Horse manure; you not are entitled to a damn thing in this country. Not education, not housing, not food, not welfare stamps, not WIC vouchers.

I went to college with a friend who was married. He had no help from his parents nor a scholarship. He worked at a 7-11 store 7 days a week 8 to 10 hours a day during the week and 12 hours on the weekend. He could have sat on his ass with his hand out but he worked and earned his way. Something that blacks like you do not understand. The problem in this country is not that people don't have the opportunity, they are too lazy to get off their lazy ass. The sick and elderly should be helped but able bodied men and women need to get the lead out and get a job.

I used my GI bill to go to college so I do not know what you are babbling about. The GI bill for college is alive and well.

Kids arent entitled to education? Haha I'd like to see how America would be without compulsory education.

Molon Labe
06-04-2008, 12:53 PM
Kids arent entitled to education? Haha I'd like to see how America would be without compulsory education.

I wouldn't begin to argue against compulsory education, but my experience is that most schools are so bogged down in red tape and regulation that the part that suffers is the teaching. My differences are not that we should educate...but who can do it best.

Eyelids
06-04-2008, 01:12 PM
I wouldn't begin to argue against compulsory education, but my experience is that most schools are so bogged down in red tape and regulation that the part that suffers is the teaching. My differences are not that we should educate...but who can do it best.

So what? You let the free market decide?

gator
06-04-2008, 02:38 PM
So what? You let the free market decide?

My wife taught at a long established "free market" school for several years.

The cost per student was about one third the cost of the country system.

The school was always rated as being one of the best if not the best in the county for many years in a row.

You don't educate children by throwing money away.

You don't educate children by paying off the sleazy Teacher's union.

You don't educate children by making a school a social institution instead of a learning institution.

You don't educate students by making sure you fill racial quotas or other Left Wing politically correct bullshit.

The Liberals don't have a clue how to provide education.

You don't have a clue about this subject or hardly anything else you comment on.

SaintLouieWoman
06-04-2008, 02:56 PM
My wife taught at a long established "free market" school for several years.

The cost per student was about one third the cost of the country system.

The school was always rated as being one of the best if not the best in the county for many years in a row.

You don't educate children by throwing money away.

You don't educate children by paying off the sleazy Teacher's union.

You don't educate children by making a school a social institution instead of a learning institution.

You don't educate students by making sure you fill racial quotas or other Left Wing politically correct bullshit.

The Liberals don't have a clue how to provide education.

You don't have a clue about this subject or hardly anything else you comment on.

Amen. Don't think it's worth the grownups trying to reason with a kid who doesn't understand logic and certainly, like Obama, has no knowledge of history.

Gator, you're doing a good job in your attempt to educate someone who isn't capable of absorbing what you're saying.

biccat
06-04-2008, 03:04 PM
It's unfortunate that compulsory education is necessary, because free market education, despite being better and cheaper, only works for parents who care about their children's education. Unfortunately without compulsory education, a lot of parents would spend their kids tuition on a new car instead of giving their kid a chance at a future.

I think the hybrid approach of school vouchers is the best way to go. Get rid of the teachers union and most government involvement and let schools compete for 'resources.'

Molon Labe
06-04-2008, 03:23 PM
So what? You let the free market decide?

Whomever does it better. Why does it matter?
I have no allegience to government schools.

Goldwater
06-04-2008, 07:36 PM
Charter and private schools in the right hands beat the crap out of any public school.

gator
06-04-2008, 07:40 PM
Charter and private schools in the right hands beat the crap out of any public school.

Every year here in Florida they rank the schools in the county. Typically the private schools have most of the top spots and it cost less per student than the county schools.

The government has screwed up just about everything it has ever touched and that includes education but yet the Democrats want to pour more money into it. Dumb shits.

Molon Labe
06-04-2008, 07:53 PM
Charter and private schools in the right hands beat the crap out of any public school.

And I know many home schooled kids who's independant thinking skills make honor students in public schools resemble the thought processes of Timmy from South Park . When you have less regulation from Government and little overhead, you can truly educate. That's at least one of the lessons of home schooling and the things you've mentioned above.

Eyelids
06-04-2008, 08:15 PM
So you guys are letting incompetent parents let the education of the entire country slip? I think theres a conspiracy here where if most of the country is full of uneducated 'tards the Republicans will win every election for eternity.

Goldwater
06-04-2008, 08:30 PM
And I know many home schooled kids who's independant thinking skills make honor students in public schools resemble the thought processes of Timmy from South Park . When you have less regulation from Government and little overhead, you can truly educate. That's at least one of the lessons of home schooling and the things you've mentioned above.

Theres also the fact that the head of the human genome project was home schooled.

Molon Labe
06-05-2008, 07:55 AM
So you guys are letting incompetent Bureaucrats let the education of the entire country slip?

.....Fixed!

Judging by the "results", something most liberals rarely look at, the parents of home schooled kids don't tend to be "incompetent".

Goldwater
06-05-2008, 08:18 AM
Education doesn't happen in the department of education, it happens in the classroom, a department far away for it is silly.