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FlaGator
02-12-2010, 10:55 AM
Once again our public schools in action. Finding stories on the insanity that is going on in public schools is getting to be like shooting fish in a barrel.



Girl, 6, Handcuffed, Committed Because Of Classroom Behavior

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. -- A Port St. Lucie first-grade student was handcuffed and committed to a mental health facility because of her classroom behavior, and her parents are furious that the school took such extreme measures.


Mickey Shalansky explained Wednesday what he said happened to his 6-year-old daughter at Parkway Elementary.


"She couldn't put her in two handcuffs because her wrists are that small, so she put them both in the same handcuff and left marks on my daughter's arms," Shalansky told WPBF 25 News' Bob Kaple.


But a St. Lucie County Sheriff's Office report paints a much different picture.

Deputies said his daughter, Haley, got upset and stormed out her classroom when her teacher asked her to do something. The report said it then escalated into a temper tantrum in the principal's office.

According to the incident report, a deputy said Haley was out of control. It said she "kicked the wall, went over to the desk and threw the calculator, electric pencil sharpener, telephone, container of writing utensils and other objects across the desk."


She was then handcuffed.


"I don't think it should have had to come to this -- you know, to put a little girl, 6 years old, 37 pounds in handcuffs and take her away in a police car," Shalansky said.


Read the story here (http://www.wpbf.com/mostpopular/22526263/detail.html)

noonwitch
02-12-2010, 11:01 AM
It was law enforcement who cuffed the girl, not the school personnel. The school called the police in because the girl's behavior was so out of control, and they took her for mental health treatment.

The parents can complain all they want, but they have raised a 6 year old who commits property damage as opposed to following a teacher's instructions. I blame them.

PoliCon
02-12-2010, 11:02 AM
In the old days a kid like this would have gotten the paddle - and clearly this girl NEEDS the paddle.

Parents don't discipline their kids anymore and then people wonder why the kids behave like this. I'm more and more inclined to believe that there needs to be a summer camp for kids entering school where they have to pass certain standards of behavior before they are allowed to enter school.

FlaGator
02-12-2010, 11:05 AM
It was law enforcement who cuffed the girl, not the school personnel. The school called the police in because the girl's behavior was so out of control, and they took her for mental health treatment.

The parents can complain all they want, but they have raised a 6 year old who commits property damage as opposed to following a teacher's instructions. I blame them.

As Poli just pointed out, this should have been a school problem with no need to involve law enforcement. If they can't control a 6 year old perhaps without calling the police then perhaps they aren't qualified to hold the positions that they do.

PoliCon
02-12-2010, 11:06 AM
As Poli just pointed out, this should have been a school problem with no need to involve law enforcement. If they can't control a 6 year old perhaps without calling the police then perhaps they aren't qualified to hold the positions that they do.

You got the complete wrong message from my post if you think I blame the school for this girl being out of control.

noonwitch
02-12-2010, 11:11 AM
As Poli just pointed out, this should have been a school problem with no need to involve law enforcement. If they can't control a 6 year old perhaps without calling the police then perhaps they aren't qualified to hold the positions that they do.



What are they supposed to do? They can't hit her, they can't restrain her physically, or the parents will sue. Only the police have the legal right to restrain her, if she's not a special education student (the teachers are trained to do so in SPED-EI classrooms).


The school probably needs to have the brat assessed for special education, though. At the young age of 6, they may still be working on the referral. 6 may sound like a very young age (kindergarten or 1st grade), but the girl probably really does have mental health issues to behave in such an extreme manner.

FlaGator
02-12-2010, 11:13 AM
You got the complete wrong message from my post if you think I blame the school for this girl being out of control.

I wasn't saying that. She's out of control for whatever reason and the school should have done something instead of calling the police. They should have got the parents in there and had a little chat with them about the girls problems. The parents are the only ones who can correct the bad behavior. The police can only punish it. To involve the police with a 6 year old is a bit over the top.

nightflight
02-12-2010, 11:35 AM
Some of you are forgetting something important. Yes, in the past the school would have handled it and then the parents would have handled it more. But we live in the age of lawyers and lawsuits; the school is just covering their ass.

BadCat
02-12-2010, 11:44 AM
She's gonna make some poor bastard very miserable in the future.

FlaGator
02-12-2010, 11:48 AM
She's gonna make some poor bastard very miserable in the future.

That I totally agree with.

PoliCon
02-12-2010, 12:42 PM
What are they supposed to do? They can't hit her, they can't restrain her physically, or the parents will sue. Only the police have the legal right to restrain her, if she's not a special education student (the teachers are trained to do so in SPED-EI classrooms).


The school probably needs to have the brat assessed for special education, though. At the young age of 6, they may still be working on the referral. 6 may sound like a very young age (kindergarten or 1st grade), but the girl probably really does have mental health issues to behave in such an extreme manner.

mental health? Doubtful. A total lack of discipline is more likely.

Apache
02-12-2010, 12:48 PM
Haley's parents said their daughter has a temper problem, but has no history of mental illness.
The report also said the school has contacted Haley's parents several times about setting up a meeting to discuss her behavior, but they have never shown up.I lay COMPLETE blame on the parents. They let her get her way ALL THE TIME and now it's biting them in the butt.

Mr. and Mrs. Olson are doing a WONDERFUL job raising little Nellie...:rolleyes:

Apache
02-12-2010, 12:48 PM
mental health? Doubtful. A total lack of discipline is more likely.

I agree with that premise....

noonwitch
02-12-2010, 01:41 PM
I agree with that premise....


At 6, it's hard to tell.

It's only going to get worse unless the parents do something now, though-if it's not a mental health problem now, it will be in a few years if the parents don't change their way of addressing the kid's behavior.

PoliCon
02-12-2010, 01:43 PM
watch the video - look at the parents - listen to them talk. The girl is out of control and the parents have allowed that to happen.

noonwitch
02-12-2010, 02:49 PM
watch the video - look at the parents - listen to them talk. The girl is out of control and the parents have allowed that to happen.



I did see it. The mother was talking about how she works in day care and knows how to recognize a troubled kid when she sees one.

Some of the most messed up kids I've ever seen that weren't on my caseload were the offspring of teachers, social workers, psychiatrists or day care workers. The school has tried to get the parents up there to talk about their daughter's behavior and the parents never have showed up.

Jumpy
02-13-2010, 01:10 AM
She's gonna make some poor bastard very miserable in the future.

You are probably right. If she manages to have a few months out of juvenile hall, she will probably find a stupid babydady, and they deserve each other. They will probably be on Jerry Springer in a few years.

Rockntractor
02-13-2010, 01:19 AM
You are probably right. If she manages to have a few months out of juvenile hall, she will probably find a stupid babydady, and they deserve each other. They will probably be on Jerry Springer in a few years.
Hi Jumpy, you have been scarce lately!:)

Jumpy
02-13-2010, 01:22 AM
Hi Jumpy, you have been scarce lately!:)

hey!! I read some of CU almost every day, but since I have a bf, I just dont have time to be very involved. My bf was a total ahole tonite though, so maybe that will change. haha.