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Gingersnap
02-16-2010, 12:41 PM
Lake Erie Frozen over; First Time in 14 Years

Updated: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 11:53 AM

Following a cold snap in the Northeast, Lake Erie's surface is virtually frozen over for the first time in about 14 years.

The ice ranges in thickness between paper thin along the northern shore and several inches along the southern shore, where many people are ice skating.

GoErie.com reports that the lake hasn't completely frozen since the winter of 1995-1996.

Although the ice cover is considered complete, prevailing winds have created some cracks in the ice.

There are also reportedly ice chunks floating off the coast of Dunkirk, N.Y., which is one of the deepest parts of the lake and would naturally be one of the last places to freeze.

Lake Erie, with an average depth of 62 feet, is the most shallow of the five Great Lakes, which is why it is the only one that completely freezes over.

Since lake-effect snow depends on warmer lake temperatures compared to the air, the frozen lake will deter large amounts of snowfall to the lee of the lake.

The current cold snap will keep the lake mostly, if not completely, frozen for at least the rest of the month.

Accuweather (http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=2)

SarasotaRepub
02-16-2010, 02:10 PM
An obvious plot by "Big Ice" to discredit the one true Global Warming God...

:D

PoliCon
02-16-2010, 02:39 PM
The lake froze because of all the warm air . . .

The Night Owl
02-16-2010, 03:03 PM
The lake froze because of all the warm air . . .

Yeah. That's right. Global warming means warm weather all the time. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
02-16-2010, 03:11 PM
Yeah. That's right. Global warming means warm weather all the time. :rolleyes:

You guys are the ones who were claiming that we would have longer hotter summers and shorter warmer winters. :rolleyes:

The Night Owl
02-16-2010, 05:07 PM
You guys are the ones who were claiming that we would have longer hotter summers and shorter warmer winters. :rolleyes:

Really? Did scientists rule out the possibility of shorter colder summers and longer colder winters?

PoliCon
02-16-2010, 06:00 PM
Really? Did scientists rule out the possibility of shorter colder summers and longer colder winters?

actually - yes.

http://archive.wri.org/news.cfm?id=22

SALT LAKE CITY, Utah, February 18, 2002 -- The World Resources Institute (WRI) today warned that global warming threatens the success of future Winter Olympic Games in this century.

"Global warming threatens future Winter Olympic Games because it is resulting in less snow, and shorter and warmer winters," said Jonathan Lash, WRI president, during a press conference held at Salt Lake City today. "Just as Salt Lake has done, we urge potential host cities to seriously consider the consequences of global warming in planning future Winter Olympic Games."

http://www.cleanair-coolplanet.org/information/implications.php

The Problems

The first signs of global warming surround us already, affecting humans and wildlife throughout the Northeast. Some of the major regional indicators that we will continue to see exacerbated until we change our energy systems and thus halt global warming include the following:

* Shorter, warmer winters worsen conditions for skiing, skating, ice fishing, and other outdoor winter activities, affecting tourist and recreation-oriented economies like those of many Northeast communities.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/03/research.sciencenews


In future, there will only be a few winters with a winter atmosphere - that means snow - in these ski resorts."

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=_j0lAAAAIBAJ&sjid=jaUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6605,2701480&dq=warmer+winters&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=XH8uAAAAIBAJ&sjid=IJkFAAAAIBAJ&pg=6582,966400&dq=warmer+winters&hl=en

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=1Dk0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=c_UIAAAAIBAJ&pg=5505,2257966&dq=expect+warmer+winters&hl=en

FlaGator
02-16-2010, 06:19 PM
Too hot, AGW
Too cold, AGW
Too wet, AGW
Too dry, AGW
Too many storms, AGW
Too few storms, AGW
Too much snow, AGW
Too little snow, AGW

I think that Stephen Hawkin can quit looking, climatologists have discovered a true theory of everything.

The Night Owl
02-16-2010, 06:23 PM
actually - yes.

Nothing you posted indicates that scientists are ruling out the possibility of shorter colder summers or longer colder winters. Just because scientists predict more warming doesn't mean they're ruling out the possibility of cold weather.

Consider the statement in the Guardian article you provided a link to:

" In future, there will only be a few winters with a winter atmosphere - that means snow - in these ski resorts."

What sort of thought process goes on in your head that causes you to interpret the claim that there will be few cold winters to be a claim that there will be no cold winters?

PoliCon
02-16-2010, 06:33 PM
Nothing you posted indicates that scientists are ruling out the possibility of shorter colder summers or longer colder winters. Just because scientists predict more warming doesn't mean they're ruling out the possibility of cold weather.

Consider the statement in the Guardian article you provided a link to:

" In future, there will only be a few winters with a winter atmosphere - that means snow - in these ski resorts."

What sort of thought process goes on in your head that causes you to interpret the claim that there will be few cold winters to be a claim that there will be no cold winters?

Do you get dizzy?

lacarnut
02-16-2010, 06:34 PM
Nothing you posted indicates that scientists are ruling out the possibility of shorter colder summers or longer colder winters. Just because scientists predict more warming doesn't mean they're ruling out the possibility of cold weather.

Consider the statement in the Guardian article you provided a link to:

" In future, there will only be a few winters with a winter atmosphere - that means snow - in these ski resorts."

What sort of thought process goes on in your head that causes you to interpret the claim that there will be few cold winters to be a claim that there will be no cold winters?

What sort of thought process goes off in your head that we need to spend billions of dollars on GW junk science.

FlaGator
02-16-2010, 06:42 PM
Nothing you posted indicates that scientists are ruling out the possibility of shorter colder summers or longer colder winters. Just because scientists predict more warming doesn't mean they're ruling out the possibility of cold weather.

Consider the statement in the Guardian article you provided a link to:

" In future, there will only be a few winters with a winter atmosphere - that means snow - in these ski resorts."

What sort of thought process goes on in your head that causes you to interpret the claim that there will be few cold winters to be a claim that there will be no cold winters?


All in all it sounds like weather as usual in the future...

SarasotaRepub
02-16-2010, 08:55 PM
Yeah. That's right. Global warming means warm weather all the time. :rolleyes:

The more stuff comes to light the worse you Global Warmers look. You do realize that right??? Nah, who am I kidding, of course you don't. :p

What would you and Wilbur do if AlGore admitted he made a mistake and used the wrong Power Point presentation all these years??? :D

RobJohnson
02-16-2010, 10:42 PM
Climate change is real! :D

The Night Owl
02-17-2010, 12:16 AM
What would you and Wilbur do if AlGore admitted he made a mistake and used the wrong Power Point presentation all these years??? :D

Nothing. My position on climate change is not based on what one person thinks.

Rockntractor
02-17-2010, 12:21 AM
Nothing. My position on climate change is not based on what one person thinks.
I have some magic rocks I'll sell you and I have some water from the fountain of youth. I'll make you a good deal!

hazlnut
02-18-2010, 12:12 PM
Accuweather (http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=2)

Yeah, that's totally normal. No climate problems here.

It's cold so it can't be global warming thingy -- because Sarah said warm can't be cold... :rolleyes:

Sonnabend
02-18-2010, 02:30 PM
Everyone wave hi to Logan's Papa :)