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mike128
02-26-2010, 07:35 AM
I'm just curious where you all stand on the issue of abortion. So, I decided to do a poll to determine this. Please answer honestly. Thanks.

PoliCon
02-26-2010, 07:53 AM
While I would prefer that abortion be generally outlawed except in cases to save the life of the mother - I am willing to allow also in cases of incest and rape since these three cases are the main reasons why people support abortion and together only account for less than 10% of all abortions.

linda22003
02-26-2010, 07:55 AM
I can't vote, since none of the three choices fit my views.

Jumpy
02-26-2010, 08:35 AM
I cannot find myself feeling passionate about a zygote, or an embryo. When the fetus starts to look like a baby at 2-3 months, I am prolife. When the fetus is viable, I consider an abortion to be the same as killing a born baby. Yeah.. all kinds of holes in my views, but I can live with it.

NJCardFan
02-26-2010, 08:40 AM
I can't vote, since none of the three choices fit my views.

Ditto. This is as about a demagogue-ish of a poll as one can get. And I'm pro-life.

AmPat
02-26-2010, 10:01 AM
The life I take will always be someone who deserves it because of their act, not mine. Don't want children? Decide that BEFORE life is conceived.

Gingersnap
02-26-2010, 10:52 AM
This is a good example of a push-poll. :D

noonwitch
02-26-2010, 11:04 AM
Ditto. This is as about a demagogue-ish of a poll as one can get. And I'm pro-life.


That's why both sides can find polls to support their claim that most americans agree with them. It's all in the wording.


If people are asked if they think abortion is wrong, the majority say yes. If people are asked if they think abortion should be made illegal, the slim majority say no. So both sides can really claim that the majority of americans back their side of the issue.


My opinion is that abortion should be legal, with the one restriction being parental consent or a judicial bypass of parental consent in cases of pregnant women under 18. That said, I also think too many women are finding themselves pregnant when they don't want to be pregnant, and that is the issue that has to be addressed to lower the number of abortions nationwide.

I saw a story on the news that showed a town in Florida where the abortion clinic and the abortion alternative clinic are right across the street from each other. Most pro choice activists are incensed about this-I think it's the best way, as long as both organizations are very clear about their purposes. A good PP counselor should be able to call the antiabortion people and ask them what they can offer a client who is unsure about having an abortion. I've done it as a state worker looking for a place a pregnant teen could go when she couldn't go home-Michigan Right To Life was very helpful in that regard.

There are two parts to lowering the rates of abortion:

1. Helping women make better decisions and avoid unwanted pregnancies from the get-go,
and
2. Helping women who find themselves with an unwanted pregnancy, or who want their babies but feel they can't afford to raise them see that there are people out there who can help them, whether they plan to keep their babies or give them up for adoption.

These are things that can be done without changing Roe v Wade.

marinejcksn
02-26-2010, 11:07 AM
Here's where I usually hit a wall, because is it possible to be Pro-Life and Libertarian? :confused:

linda22003
02-26-2010, 11:09 AM
Here's where I usually hit a wall, because is it possible to be Pro-Life and Libertarian? :confused:

Sure. You recognize that you can make the abortion decision - but not for other people.

marinejcksn
02-26-2010, 11:15 AM
Sure. You recognize that you can make the abortion decision - but not for other people.

I think that makes the most sense, because I'm against it in my own life and I wouldn't want my girlfriend to ever have one but I don't feel I have the right to impose my ideals on any other woman.

ALso, There's really no such thing as "Pro-Life" and "Pro-Choice". When it comes down to groups like Planned Parenthood there's really only Pro-Choice (life) and Pro-Abort.

Not to mention Planned Parenthood was started by a racist Socialist monster who hated Blacks, Chinese and just about every other minority group.

djones520
02-26-2010, 11:49 AM
Not enough answers on the poll. Can't describe my opinion with those provided.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
02-26-2010, 11:59 AM
I didn't vote because the poll is too limiting...
I think that abortion should be a LAST choice decision. It should be totally legal in terms of rape, in case of really horrible defects and deformities (ones that would from the outset make a child's life short or painful) and in terms of incest, and for cases where the woman could not make truly informed consent (drunk sex).

However, if a woman is completely clean, sober, consents, and is willing to have sex, and knows she doesn't want to have a baby but refuses to use any means of preventive measures...It seems wrong. It's gray for me I don't know if it should be illegal. I think there is a point where the fetus is just a batch of cells and there is a line when the fetus becomes a 'baby.' There are so many gray areas--What if a woman gets pregnant but after doing so loses all her money or the man leaves or something that would make the child's life horrid? Give it up for adoption? That process is long and seems to damage children more than help them--some do go to good families, but eventually find out the truth and it hurts them. I've read a lot of stories of children who were adopted and it was incredibly painful for many to learn they were.

Rockntractor
02-26-2010, 12:32 PM
I'm in full agreement with option #1 but I won't vote because opposing views are not accurately represented.

BadCat
02-26-2010, 12:36 PM
I'm a male and I don't think it is any of my business.

Kay
02-26-2010, 01:22 PM
No grey areas for me. I am 100% against abortion.
I believe a life begins at inception and any termination of it after that is a killing.

Sonnabend
02-26-2010, 03:18 PM
None of the above.

PoliCon
02-26-2010, 04:46 PM
Sure. You recognize that you can make the abortion decision - but not for other people.

Here I was thinking it was because you recoginze the liberties of all people - even the smallest and most defenseless. :rolleyes:

PoliCon
02-26-2010, 04:47 PM
I think that makes the most sense, because I'm against it in my own life and I wouldn't want my girlfriend to ever have one but I don't feel I have the right to impose my ideals on any other woman. So you're an anarchist?

Gingersnap
02-26-2010, 04:53 PM
Here's where I usually hit a wall, because is it possible to be Pro-Life and Libertarian? :confused:

I'm one and yes, there is. I'm fighting a cold so I'll try to repost that argument tonight.

AmPat
02-26-2010, 05:43 PM
[QUOTE=CaughtintheMiddle1990;241966]I didn't vote because the poll is too limiting...
I think that abortion should be a LAST choice decision. It should be totally legal in terms of rape, in case of really horrible defects and deformities (ones that would from the outset make a child's life short or painful) and in terms of incest, and for cases where the woman could not make truly informed consent (drunk sex).
*snip*
...I think there is a point where the fetus is just a batch of cells and there is a line when the fetus becomes a 'baby.'
If left to the natural course of life , that "batch of cells" becomes a human life. It does not turn into a pig/horse/dog, etc. It is LIFE. Human life.


There are so many gray areas--What if a woman gets pregnant but after doing so loses all her money or the man leaves or something that would make the child's life horrid? Give it up for adoption? That process is long and seems to damage children more than help them--some do go to good families, but eventually find out the truth and it hurts them. I've read a lot of stories of children who were adopted and it was incredibly painful for many to learn they were.I read stories just the opposite. Perhaps you need to stop believing the urban myths or wive's tales and research this. Adoption is a wonderful and moral option.

Apache
02-26-2010, 06:13 PM
What if a woman gets pregnant but after doing so loses all her money or the man leaves or something that would make the child's life horrid? Give it up for adoption? That process is long and seems to damage children more than help them--some do go to good families, but eventually find out the truth and it hurts them. I've read a lot of stories of children who were adopted and it was incredibly painful for many to learn they were.

Holy crap! What a pant-load of 'what ifs'... since you decide to play that way...

What if that murdered baby was the key to curing cancer or maybe making food crops grow all over the globe or maybe inventing the better mouse trap? What if that murdered baby was adopted and smiled at Mom and Dad?

Why do you people in an effort to defend the indefensable always come up with the absolute worst case scenario(sp?)?

MrsSmith
02-26-2010, 08:02 PM
There really should be no conflict between the Libertarian view and the anti-abortion view. The developing child is just as alive as Mom and just as human as Mom. That little human is also completely innocent, regardless of how Mom got pregnant. That little human has not earned a death sentence.

And really, the imperfections of that human should not be an excuse for killing him or her before birth. We wouldn't kill him or her after the birth...and the child is the same child regardless of the location.

As for the adoption problem, seriously, a child adopted as an infant and well-loved may be hurt if the adoptive parents handle the telling poorly, but sheesh, at least he or she isn't dead!

wilbur
02-26-2010, 08:02 PM
A good point was made on another site I read the other day, and I'll reiterate here - I've touched on it before.

Why are we not at war here? If we are to believe a zygote is the moral equivalent of say, a teenager, or you, or me - then it is justified.

Seriously, what if you could abort teenagers? There would be armed insurrection the moment such a genocide was allowed to occur (though I'm sure some parents are making a cynical joke to themselves right now). Pro-lifers seem to intuitively behave as if there really is an ethical difference between killing and embryo and killing a human - and there is... hopefully one day they might acknowledge it.

MrsSmith
02-26-2010, 08:19 PM
A good point was made on another site I read the other day, and I'll reiterate here - I've touched on it before.

Why are we not at war here? If we are to believe a zygote is the moral equivalent of say, a teenager, or you, or me - then it is justified.

Seriously, what if you could abort teenagers? There would be armed insurrection the moment such a genocide was allowed to occur (though I'm sure some parents are making a cynical joke to themselves right now). Pro-lifers seem to intuitively behave as if there really is an ethical difference between killing and embryo and killing a human - and there is... hopefully one day they might acknowledge it.

Yes, there is. At this point, it's called Roe v Wade. :rolleyes:

wilbur
02-26-2010, 08:24 PM
Yes, there is. At this point, it's called Roe v Wade. :rolleyes:

So what if a mother won the right in court tomorrow, to kill her teenage kid - and of course, this right then becomes extended to all mothers. How do you think we should react to that?

Mere activism?

MrsSmith
02-26-2010, 08:30 PM
So what if a mother won the right in court tomorrow, to kill her teenage kid - and of course, this right then becomes extended to all mothers. How do you think we should react to that?

Mere activism?

No, I'd spend a lot of time in prayer that my country and my courts would regain their minds...just as I do about the issue of abortion. I'd do all I could, personally, to talk parents into keeping their teens, or giving them to other people, just as I do with pregnant women who are considering abortion. I'd do all I could to support the alternatives, Unplanned Teen Resources Centers, or whatever, just as I do with Pregnancy Centers.



What I would not do is take your path...the path of explaining why the law is correct...at least up to a certain age.

wilbur
02-27-2010, 12:30 AM
No, I'd spend a lot of time in prayer that my country and my courts would regain their minds...just as I do about the issue of abortion. I'd do all I could, personally, to talk parents into keeping their teens, or giving them to other people, just as I do with pregnant women who are considering abortion. I'd do all I could to support the alternatives, Unplanned Teen Resources Centers, or whatever, just as I do with Pregnancy Centers.


But what if they didnt regain their minds, or showed no sign of regaining their minds? A million five teenagers gunned down a year by parents who no longer wanted them - so you claim you wouldn't do anything differently. But really... would you simply resort to nothing more than counselling or holding signs outside an execution clinic before intervening? Do you think the pro-life movement would be as passive?



What I would not do is take your path...the path of explaining why the law is correct...at least up to a certain age.

Well, were my hypothetical to come true - accepting it certainly wouldn't be "my path".

Rockntractor
02-27-2010, 12:36 AM
But what if they didnt regain their minds, or showed no sign of regaining their minds? A million five teenagers gunned down a year by parents who no longer wanted them - so you claim you wouldn't do anything differently. But really... would you simply resort to nothing more than counselling or holding signs outside an execution clinic before intervening? Do you think the pro-life movement would be as passive?



Well, were my hypothetical to come true - accepting it certainly wouldn't be "my path".

Are you using meth now too?

MrsSmith
02-27-2010, 08:32 AM
But what if they didnt regain their minds, or showed no sign of regaining their minds? A million five teenagers gunned down a year by parents who no longer wanted them - so you claim you wouldn't do anything differently. But really... would you simply resort to nothing more than counselling or holding signs outside an execution clinic before intervening? Do you think the pro-life movement would be as passive?



Well, were my hypothetical to come true - accepting it certainly wouldn't be "my path".

You sure don't have any problem explaining why the tiniest humans don't deserve a right to life, though. Maybe it's because they can't hold a gun and shoot back at you. :D

Just as even the tiniest humans grow into their minds, so do teens. Look at you, even you seem to have done so...

Space Gravy
02-27-2010, 09:35 AM
If some crack whore in Brooklyn or a 16 a year suburbanite princess in whatever town USA that I don't know get knocked up and don't want to have it or do want to have it........ I could care less. It's their cross to bear, their baggage to carry, etc.... (Choose your own cliche')