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Sonnabend
03-05-2010, 10:34 PM
Link (http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/05/swedes-call-out-jones-on-data-availability/)

Climate scientist delivers false statement in parliament enquiry


It has come to our attention, that last Monday (March 1), Dr. Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia (CRU), in a hearing with the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee made a statement in regards to the alleged non-availability for disclosure of Swedish climate data.

Dr. Jones asserted that the weather services of several countries, including Sweden, Canada and Poland, had refused to allow their data to be released, to explain his reluctance to comply with Freedom of Information requests.

This statement is false and misleading in regards to the Swedish data.

All Swedish climate data are available in the public domain. As is demonstrated in the attached correspondence between SMHI (Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute), the UK Met Office and Dr. Jones (the last correspondence dated yesterday March 4), this has been clearly explained to Dr. Jones. What is also clear is that SMHI is reluctant to be connected to data that has undergone “processing” by the East Anglia research unit.

STOCKHOLM INITIATIVE

Göran Ahlgren, secretary general
Kungsgatan 82
12 27 Stockholm, Sweden

wilbur
03-15-2010, 10:22 PM
Still checking this one out - but as usual, we should look at the original source for our initial facts. The transcript of the hearing is online, and from what it looks like, it seems it wasnt even Jones who made the claims about Swedish data, it was professor Acton. Jones never mentioned Sweden. So there's at least one glaring error right off the rip.. will be checking more later, I have work to do.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/uc387-i/uc38702.htm



Professor Acton: Unfortunately, several of these countries impose conditions and say you are not allowed to pass it on, so there has just been an attempt to get these answers. Seven countries have said "No, you cannot", half the countries have not yet answered, Canada and Poland are amongst those who have said, "No you cannot publish it" and also Sweden. Russia is very hesitant. We are under a commercial promise, as it were, not to; we are longing to publish it because what science needs is the most openness.

Rockntractor
03-15-2010, 10:27 PM
Still checking this one out - but as usual, we should look at the original source for our initial facts. The transcript of the hearing is online, and from what it looks like, it looks like it wasnt even Jones who made the claims about Swedish data, it was professor Acton. Jones never mentioned Sweden. So there's at least one glaring error right off the rip.. will be checking more later, I have work to do.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/uc387-i/uc38702.htm

You work?:confused:

Articulate_Ape
03-15-2010, 10:34 PM
Still checking this one out - but as usual, we should look at the original source for our initial facts. The transcript of the hearing is online, and from what it looks like, it seems it wasnt even Jones who made the claims about Swedish data, it was professor Acton. Jones never mentioned Sweden. So there's at least one glaring error right off the rip.. will be checking more later, I have work to do.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/uc387-i/uc38702.htm

Don't forget to put out the candles on the altar when you are done.

Rockntractor
03-15-2010, 10:43 PM
Wilbur I can see you even though your ignoring me. Ha Ha!!:cool:
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/sFi_machinegunsdual.gif?t=1268710832
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/thfunny_facescalvinanhobbsanimateda.gif?t=12687109 60

Sonnabend
03-16-2010, 09:43 AM
Still checking this one out - but as usual, we should look at the original source for our initial facts.

Why don't you write to them and ask? Seems the logical thing to do.

Sonnabend
03-19-2010, 05:06 PM
Still checking this one out - but as usual, we should look at the original source for our initial facts

Five days later and still no rebuttal. Wilbur loses. Again.

FlaGator
03-19-2010, 05:33 PM
Wilbur I can see you even though your ignoring me. Ha Ha!!:cool:
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/sFi_machinegunsdual.gif?t=1268710832
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/thfunny_facescalvinanhobbsanimateda.gif?t=12687109 60

You know that if people quote you the ignore is useless...

PoliCon
03-19-2010, 07:33 PM
Still checking this one out - but as usual, we should look at the original source for our initial facts. The transcript of the hearing is online, and from what it looks like, it seems it wasnt even Jones who made the claims about Swedish data, it was professor Acton. Jones never mentioned Sweden. So there's at least one glaring error right off the rip.. will be checking more later, I have work to do.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200910/cmselect/cmsctech/uc387-i/uc38702.htmYou work?:confused:

let me quote you for him :)

PoliCon
03-19-2010, 07:35 PM
You know that if people quote you the ignore is useless...

:D yup :D

wilbur
03-21-2010, 05:45 PM
Five days later and still no rebuttal. Wilbur loses. Again.

Um no - the transcript of the hearing is enough to falsify your accusation against Jones. A more thorough rebuttal is not necessary, though I'll probably provide one when I am so inclined. Again - your claim has been falsified, completely and undeniably by the transcript of the hearing that I have already provided. So sorry - you have been proven wrong, just as you were proven wrong here (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=26280)

Shooting this fish in a barrel is fun and all, but sometimes even I need a break.

Big Guy
03-21-2010, 05:50 PM
Wilbur I can see you even though your ignoring me. Ha Ha!!:cool:
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/sFi_machinegunsdual.gif?t=1268710832
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/thfunny_facescalvinanhobbsanimateda.gif?t=12687109 60

Wilbur couldn't see the truth if it hit him right in the face.

Big Guy
03-21-2010, 05:53 PM
Wilbur I can see you even though your ignoring me. Ha Ha!!:cool:
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/sFi_machinegunsdual.gif?t=1268710832
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/thfunny_facescalvinanhobbsanimateda.gif?t=12687109 60

Ya think he might decide to ignore all of us? :D

Sonnabend
03-22-2010, 02:04 AM
Um no - the transcript of the hearing is enough to falsify your accusation against Jones.In case it had escaped you,. I DIDNT WRITE THIS


It has come to our attention, that last Monday (March 1), Dr. Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia (CRU), in a hearing with the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee made a statement in regards to the alleged non-availability for disclosure of Swedish climate data.

Dr. Jones asserted that the weather services of several countries, including Sweden, Canada and Poland, had refused to allow their data to be released, to explain his reluctance to comply with Freedom of Information requests.

This statement is false and misleading in regards to the Swedish data.

All Swedish climate data are available in the public domain. As is demonstrated in the attached correspondence between SMHI (Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute), the UK Met Office and Dr. Jones (the last correspondence dated yesterday March 4), this has been clearly explained to Dr. Jones. What is also clear is that SMHI is reluctant to be connected to data that has undergone “processing” by the East Anglia research unit.

STOCKHOLM INITIATIVE

Göran Ahlgren, secretary general
Kungsgatan 82
12 27 Stockholm, Sweden Note the name at the bottom? Go argue with him.


A more thorough rebuttal is not necessary, though I'll probably provide one when I am so inclined. Again - your claim has been falsified, completely and undeniably by the transcript of the hearing that I have already provided. So sorry - you have been proven wrong, just as you were proven wrong here (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?t=26280)Mt Ahlgren called Jones a liar. I agree with him.


Shooting this fish in a barrel is fun and all, but sometimes even I need a break.Moron.

PoliCon
03-22-2010, 08:45 AM
Ya think he might decide to ignore all of us? :D

wow wouldn't that be just horrible. :rolleyes:

wilbur
03-22-2010, 10:37 AM
In case it had escaped you,. I DIDNT WRITE THIS


I linked the transcript of the hearing in question - kindly cut and paste the text from the hearing where Jones makes a claim about Sweden. The entire transcript is there, so put up or shut up.



Note the name at the bottom? Go argue with him.


And, just in case it escaped you (I'm sure it did), this fellow you are quoting enthusiastically is part of a Swedish skeptic group (not a climate scientist among them) who are not associated in any way with the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (the owners of data in question). The Stockholm Initiative is political advocacy group whose purpose is to promote anti-agw policy. Its not some official science organization. The text you quoted is from them, not the SHMI.



Mt Ahlgren called Jones a liar. I agree with him.


Golly, a member of a climate skeptic group throws around accusations against a climate scientist? News at 11!

Problem is, the transcript refutes his claim.

Zathras
03-22-2010, 11:36 AM
Ya think he might decide to ignore all of us? :D

Wouldn't bother me one bit. I'v all but put his AGW cult worshiping ass on ignore as it is.

PoliCon
03-22-2010, 11:04 PM
Wouldn't bother me one bit. I'v all but put his AGW cult worshiping ass on ignore as it is.

Most of the time when he posts all I see is: blah blah, blah blah BLAH blah blah . . . . :D

Rockntractor
03-23-2010, 12:43 AM
I linked the transcript of the hearing in question - kindly cut and paste the text from the hearing where Jones makes a claim about Sweden. The entire transcript is there, so put up or shut up.



And, just in case it escaped you (I'm sure it did), this fellow you are quoting enthusiastically is part of a Swedish skeptic group (of non-scientists) who are not associated in any way with the Swedish Meteorological and Hydrological Institute (the owners of data in question). The Stockholm Initiative is political advocacy group whose purpose is to promote anti-agw policy. Its not some official science organization. The text you quoted is from them, not the SHMI.



Golly, a member of a climate skeptic group throws around accusations against a climate scientist? News at 11!

Problem is, the transcript refutes his claim.

Hey Wilbur have you convinced yourself yet?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/bailing-animated.gif?t=1269322705

Naddapig
03-23-2010, 01:11 AM
Hey Wilbur have you convinced yourself yet?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/bailing-animated.gif?t=1269322705
Dude you are so stupid! Wilbur is just trying to save us and our planet.:rolleyes:

Rockntractor
03-23-2010, 07:44 AM
Oh noos! Wilbur has a widdo friend.

FlaGator
03-23-2010, 10:00 AM
Oh noos! Wilbur has a widdo friend.

I think you misunderstand his intentions. The sarcastic smiley tells me he is agreeing with you in a sarcastic way.

Apache
03-23-2010, 06:44 PM
Hey Wilbur have you convinced yourself yet?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/bailing-animated.gif?t=1269322705

Psst....Rock, he has you on ignore, 'member? :eek:

Naddapig
03-23-2010, 07:03 PM
Psst....Rock, he has you on ignore, 'member? :eek:

It is no wonder Wilbur ignores him! He is such an asshole.:rolleyes:

Apache
03-23-2010, 07:13 PM
It is no wonder Wilbur ignores him! He is such an asshole.:rolleyes:

Only to a select few...:D

Rockntractor
03-23-2010, 07:13 PM
It is no wonder Wilbur ignores him! He is such an asshole.:rolleyes:

Take your nuts and get out of here militant squirrel before I am forced to put you on Ignore!:mad:

Apache
03-23-2010, 07:29 PM
Take your nuts and get out of here militant squirrel before I am forced to put you on Ignore!:mad:

Don't insult us Rock....He's a groundhog....:mad:


Squirrels are much smarter...:D

Rockntractor
03-23-2010, 08:04 PM
Don't insult us Rock....He's a groundhog....:mad:


Squirrels are much smarter...:D

My apologies, I didn't mean to offend all rodents. some of my best friends are rodents!:D