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Apocalypse
03-06-2010, 04:40 PM
http://openleft.com/diary/17708/mark-begich-open-to-reconciliation-for-health-reformthat-makes-50

If true, we are screwed.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 04:44 PM
Why?

Screwed because it's the EEEVILLLLLLLLL democrats passing something? No one even knows what these bills have and act like they are so bad.

Well guess what, they are bad for everyone except the insurance companies. The senate bill is nothing but an insurance company profit protections act.

Republicans should be THRILLED about it.

Apache
03-06-2010, 04:46 PM
http://openleft.com/diary/17708/mark-begich-open-to-reconciliation-for-health-reformthat-makes-50

If true, we are screwed.

The House still has to pass it... and right now that ain't happenin'

AmPat
03-06-2010, 05:03 PM
Why?

Screwed because it's the EEEVILLLLLLLLL democrats passing something? No one even knows what these bills have and act like they are so bad.
Well guess what, they are bad for everyone except the insurance companies. The senate bill is nothing but an insurance company profit protections act.

Republicans should be THRILLED about it.

Not true. The main parts of the bill are well known to all but the DIMWIToRATS who will vote the way Chairman MaoBama and Queen Nancy dictate. You act as though you yourself have some keen insight into it. How else would you have any idea about a Mother Lode for Insurance companies? As for this unfounded statement, why would Republicans be "THRILLED" about it? I'm Republican and I don't give a moment's thought to Insurance company profits.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 05:09 PM
Republican opposition to the new health care proposals have been primarily in the interests of the insurance companies (and they won, the current bills will only help the insurance companies by legally guaranteeing them millions of new customers) and now they are primarily interested in winning seats in November.

PoliCon
03-06-2010, 05:12 PM
Republican opposition to the new health care proposals have been primarily in the interests of the insurance companies (and they won, the current bills will only help the insurance companies by legally guaranteeing them millions of new customers) and now they are primarily interested in winning seats in November.

http://www.freewebs.com/poolman09/retard.jpg

Zathras
03-06-2010, 05:15 PM
Republican opposition to the new health care proposals have been primarily in the interests of the insurance companies (and they won, the current bills will only help the insurance companies by legally guaranteeing them millions of new customers) and now they are primarily interested in winning seats in November.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/HeroesAtWork/demotivational-poster-lion-facepaw.jpg

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 05:16 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/HeroesAtWork/demotivational-poster-lion-facepaw.jpg

Brilliant counterpoint.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 05:17 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/poolman09/retard.jpg

I can see the critical thinking skills here might be too much for me.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 05:18 PM
I wonder, which do you consult when you go to the voting booth? Animated .gifs or forum emoticons? or...gasp...youtubes?

PoliCon
03-06-2010, 05:20 PM
I can see the critical thinking skills here might be too much for me.

http://www.afunnystuff.com/forumpics/retard.jpg

PoliCon
03-06-2010, 05:21 PM
I wonder, which do you consult when you go to the voting booth? Animated .gifs or forum emoticons? or...gasp...youtubes?

http://images.starcraftmazter.net/4chan/for_forums/congrats_retard.jpg

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 05:22 PM
Yes I listened to Rush's show last week too where he advised the young girl to simply mock the people who disagree with her on her forum.

Constitutionally Speaking
03-06-2010, 05:22 PM
Why?

Screwed because it's the EEEVILLLLLLLLL democrats passing something? No one even knows what these bills have and act like they are so bad.

Well guess what, they are bad for everyone except the insurance companies. The senate bill is nothing but an insurance company profit protections act.

Republicans should be THRILLED about it.


So what are you going to do with all of the jobs lost in when you Democrats drive THIS industry out of business????


It will guarantee the elimination of the insurance industry.

PoliCon
03-06-2010, 05:27 PM
Yes I listened to Rush's show last week too where he advised the young girl to simply mock the people who disagree with her on her forum.

http://www.neg9.com/debunk/retard.jpg

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 05:30 PM
So what are you going to do with all of the jobs lost in when you Democrats drive THIS industry out of business????


It will guarantee the elimination of the insurance industry.

What are you talking about? This senate bill is the best thing to happen to the insurance industry in a very long time.

This senate bill is essentially a (non-needed) bailout for the insurance companies.

This bill offends me because it sounds like it was written by the insurance companies themselves.

lacarnut
03-06-2010, 06:08 PM
Why?

Screwed because it's the EEEVILLLLLLLLL democrats passing something? No one even knows what these bills have and act like they are so bad.

Well guess what, they are bad for everyone except the insurance companies. The senate bill is nothing but an insurance company profit protections act.

Republicans should be THRILLED about it.

Why is it that the Administration/Congress has not finalized this 2400 page monstrosity into one bill? Why is it such a big secret. Why is it that they can not pass it? They have the votes. The reason the clowns can not pass it is:

#1 65% of the people are against it and the Democ. are running scared cause they want to get re-elected.
#2 The two chambers do not like the each-others bills because of abortion and public option. Stupid Democrats can not get their shit together.
#3 It cuts 500 billions out of medicare and cuts billions to doctors and hospitals.
#4. You not can insure 30 million more people and not expect premiums to go up, doctor shortages and rationing
#5 Many doctors will refuse to take new patients. That is already happening. Add 30 million more patients and the time it takes to see a doctor or have an operation will greatly increase.
#6 The bill is a shell game regarding increasing the deficit. 10 years of taxes and 6 years of benefits. The following 10 years will balloon the debt to over 2 trillion dollars.

#7 I don't give a shit about Insurance company profits. I care about the government seizing control over the health care system and making things worse. The government can not run a whore house efficiently. They sure as hell can not take over private health care while incorporating it into a bloated, inefficient, mismanaged health care system composed of medicare and medicaid. FYI, health insurance is not a right.

Constitutionally Speaking
03-06-2010, 07:04 PM
What are you talking about? This senate bill is the best thing to happen to the insurance industry in a very long time.

This senate bill is essentially a (non-needed) bailout for the insurance companies.

This bill offends me because it sounds like it was written by the insurance companies themselves.



Are you REALLY that stupid??????

Rockntractor
03-06-2010, 07:17 PM
Are you REALLY that stupid??????

Yesterday he wanted socialism explained to him! He had no idea what it was.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 07:22 PM
Are you REALLY that stupid??????

Care to elaborate on where you disagree?

I mean, like many here, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BILL.

Wei Wu Wei
03-06-2010, 07:23 PM
Yesterday he wanted socialism explained to him! He had no idea what it was.

Actually I wanted to be specific about word usage when words like "socialism" or "nationalize" are used because people tend to freak out and act irrational when those sscaarryyyy words are used:

http://i49.tinypic.com/30vm655.jpg

fettpett
03-06-2010, 10:49 PM
Actually I wanted to be specific about word usage when words like "socialism" or "nationalize" are used because people tend to freak out and act irrational when those sscaarryyyy words are used:



Socialism is an ideology, that uses Nationalization to further their goals of redistributing the wealth of others.

there explained for you're small mind

Apocalypse
03-07-2010, 12:00 AM
Republican opposition to the new health care proposals have been primarily in the interests of the insurance companies (and they won, the current bills will only help the insurance companies by legally guaranteeing them millions of new customers) and now they are primarily interested in winning seats in November.

Let me get this straight Dumb ass.

Your saying that Republicans oppose the bill because we are in the back pockets of Big Insurance, Big Pharma.?

Then whey is Big Insurance, Big Pharma doing every thing they can to get Dems elected.

The Mass. election, they backed Martha Coakley big time. Not Scott Brown who was against the bill. They continue to dump loads of cash into the elections of Dems every where. Why are they not giving to the GOP as much? I thought we were suppose to be in their back pocket?

PoliCon
03-07-2010, 12:33 AM
Are you REALLY that stupid??????

why yes. Yes he really IS that stupid.

http://www.royalraginglions.com/images/retard.jpg

Swampfox
03-07-2010, 01:12 AM
It's all going to come down to the House. It was always going to be that way. I don't consider this much of a development.

lacarnut
03-07-2010, 02:16 AM
Care to elaborate on where you disagree?

I mean, like many here, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BILL.

I already did but you are too ignorant to respond.

lacarnut
03-07-2010, 02:26 AM
Let me get this straight Dumb ass.

Your saying that Republicans oppose the bill because we are in the back pockets of Big Insurance, Big Pharma.?

Then whey is Big Insurance, Big Pharma doing every thing they can to get Dems elected.

The Mass. election, they backed Martha Coakley big time. Not Scott Brown who was against the bill. They continue to dump loads of cash into the elections of Dems every where. Why are they not giving to the GOP as much? I thought we were suppose to be in their back pocket?

This retard does not understand that lobbyist for Big Insurance and Big Pharma were given numerous opportunities to meet with the President. None were given to small business owners and the Chamber of Commerce. AARP which gets millions of taxpayer dollars is also in the tank for Obama's health care plan because they will be able to sell their shitty insurance when Medicare Advantage plan is discontinued in every state except Florida. Florida is exempt because of the many seniors in that state. This fucking bill is so bad cause it is loaded with pay offs to certain states, buying off legislators and blowing a huge hole in the budget.

Apocalypse
03-07-2010, 08:23 AM
This retard does not understand that lobbyist for Big Insurance and Big Pharma were given numerous opportunities to meet with the President. None were given to small business owners and the Chamber of Commerce. AARP which gets millions of taxpayer dollars is also in the tank for Obama's health care plan because they will be able to sell their shitty insurance when Medicare Advantage plan is discontinued in every state except Florida. Florida is exempt because of the many seniors in that state. This fucking bill is so bad cause it is loaded with pay offs to certain states, buying off legislators and blowing a huge hole in the budget.No shit, and remember Zero was going to broadcast on Cspan the discussions so all could see who was in their back pockets. Funny, when it came time for those discussions, Cspan definitely was shut out and no cameras were allowed to show their crummy deals.

Constitutionally Speaking
03-07-2010, 09:04 AM
Care to elaborate on where you disagree?

I mean, like many here, I DO NOT SUPPORT THIS BILL.

It will cost 2.3 trillion MINIMUM - it will cost tens of thousands - if not hundreds of thousands of people their jobs. It will give government control - literally life and death - over us. It will drive insurance companies out of business, degrade the quality of healthcare,

There is absolutely NOTHING positive about this plan.

Troll
03-07-2010, 09:13 AM
No one even knows what these bills have and act like they are so bad.

Careful there, skippy. That was dangerously close to self-ownage.

Constitutionally Speaking
03-07-2010, 09:34 AM
Actually I wanted to be specific about word usage when words like "socialism" or "nationalize" are used because people tend to freak out and act irrational when those sscaarryyyy words are used:

http://i49.tinypic.com/30vm655.jpg


That just shows you how horrible our public education is. (never mind that it is populated by subversives purposely undermining our freedoms).

Wei Wu Wei
03-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Let me get this straight Dumb ass.

Your saying that Republicans oppose the bill because we are in the back pockets of Big Insurance, Big Pharma.?

We? Unless you're an elected official or in some actual position of power they're not giving you anything. But yes, the Republicans are currently voting in line with the insurance companies.


Then whey is Big Insurance, Big Pharma doing every thing they can to get Dems elected.

They're not. Also they are funding so many organizations who aim to attack, discredit, and dismantel democrats in office.


The Mass. election, they backed Martha Coakley big time. Not Scott Brown who was against the bill. They continue to dump loads of cash into the elections of Dems every where. Why are they not giving to the GOP as much? I thought we were suppose to be in their back pocket?

Because the dems are the majority party right now. The ruling class aren't republicans or democrats, it goes the other way around. The parties serve the ruling class, the ruling class doesn't support parties.

Wei Wu Wei
03-07-2010, 01:58 PM
For example, http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/indus.php?ind=h04

that shows contributions made by pharmacutical companies sdince 1990.

Notice the trends up until the democrats took over, and the new trends.

I've no doubt that a lot of influence is being pushed at the democrats right now, and I totally reject them for bending to it.

Apocalypse
03-07-2010, 02:07 PM
Take a second look at your stats you provided, especially the last two election cycles. The Dims have been raking it in from Big Pharma. Far more then the GOP. If the GOP was in line with big Pharma, then they should be pumping cash into the GOP at record pace, but they are not. Why? because they want Obamacare to pass because the Dems have aliened with them.

Cspan will prove who was in their back pocket, remember Zero saying that? Funny, when it came time to show it, the Dims didn't want the camera any where around. Also funny that Big Insurance and Big Pharma has met with the pResident far more then any other lobbyist.

Wei Wu Wei
03-07-2010, 02:22 PM
this current senate health bill sounds like it was written by Big Pharma. it primarly helps their industry.

Apocalypse
03-07-2010, 02:40 PM
this current senate health bill sounds like it was written by Big Pharma. it primarly helps their industry.
It definatly does, as well as by Big Insurance as they get 30 mil new customers who by law will be forced to buy their product.

Pfizer, Merck, Eli Lilly, Novartis and sundry of other drug companies that have been among the biggest of ObamaCare's corporate sponsors. They are buying their bill from the dems and expect a return from their investment. And we as Americans should be excited for all of this and support the One and his campaign to force this all on us. The left doesn't get it, never has, and likely never will. The right may support business, but in the form or the free market business format. Meaning that let competition dictate the terms.

Wei Wu Wei
03-07-2010, 02:42 PM
It definatly does, as well as by Big Insurance as they get 30 mil new customers who by law will be forced to buy their product.

yes exactly.



The whole world of difference comes down to the Public Option. Once that is dropped, then the bill becomes nothing but a handout to Big Insurance and Big Pharma.

Wei Wu Wei
03-07-2010, 02:44 PM
Pfizer, Merck, Eli Lilly, Novartis and sundry of other drug companies that have been among the biggest of ObamaCare's corporate sponsors. They are buying their bill from the dems and expect a return from their investment. And we as Americans should be excited for all of this and support the One and his campaign to force this all on us. The left doesn't get it, never has, and likely never will. The right may support business, but in the form or the free market business format. Meaning that let competition dictate the terms.

The "right" has already won this battle. It's over. Big Business has won. There's no such thing as a totally free market and you know it.

The battle going on right now isn't over Big Business vs the People anymore, that's already over. Now it's a purely empty meaningless political battle between the crap Democrats and the crap Republicans over who "looks better".