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megimoo
03-19-2010, 09:04 AM
The Democrats have now cleared the way to ram the final health care socialism package through the House this Sunday by using "deem and pass."

They are in open and direct violation of Article 1, Section 7 of the United States Constitution. The vast majority of Americans who are adamant in their opposition to this imposed socialism are screaming at the top of there lungs to have their elected "representatives" hear them and vote the way the majority wants.

The Democrats in the House and Senate have a message for all of you. Screw the constitution, and screw you, too!...

http://conservativecamp.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=332431:the-end-of-the-american-republic&catid=143:robert-ditmar&Itemid=128

Wei Wu Wei
03-19-2010, 11:15 AM
There is nothing socialist about this health care package it's the furthest thing from socialism. It's reverse robin-hood legislation that will benefit the ruling class at the expense of the working class.

Megaguns91
03-19-2010, 02:13 PM
There is nothing socialist about this health care package it's the furthest thing from socialism. It's reverse robin-hood legislation that will benefit the ruling class at the expense of the working class.

Wee Wee sometimes I think you post just so we can pick on you. :)


Definitions of socialism on the Web:

a political theory advocating state ownership of industry

And what would you call the health care bill?

Wei Wu Wei
03-19-2010, 04:33 PM
And what would you call the health care bill?

Regulations on an industry in exchange for a legal mandate on citizens to support a private company by purchasing insurance from them.

Regulations are hardly state ownership. This bill is basically a handout to the private insurance companies.

Megaguns91
03-19-2010, 04:50 PM
Regulations on an industry in exchange for a legal mandate on citizens to support a private company by purchasing insurance from them.

Regulations are hardly state ownership. This bill is basically a handout to the private insurance companies.

Then shouldn't you oppose it if you're anti-big guy corporation and support the poor noncapitalist?

Jfor
03-19-2010, 04:54 PM
Regulations on an industry in exchange for a legal mandate on citizens to support a private company by purchasing insurance from them.

Regulations are hardly state ownership. This bill is basically a handout to the private insurance companies.

Tell me dipshit, where in the constitution does it mandate that in order to be a citizen of the US that you HAVE to purchase health insurance? Tell me dipshit, should you be able to purchase car insurance AFTER you have had a wreck and then the insurance company should HAVE to pay to fix it?

Sonnabend
03-19-2010, 05:20 PM
It's reverse robin-hood legislation that will benefit the ruling class at the expense of the working class.

Since neither class exists, your post is nonsense.

Wei Wu Wei
03-19-2010, 06:04 PM
Since neither class exists, your post is nonsense.

While I'll admit there isn't really anything called a "working class" because workers are very differentiated amongst themselves even, however there is surely a ruling class.

I don't see how it's not obvious, money is power and the top 1% owns about half of it.

Wei Wu Wei
03-19-2010, 06:05 PM
Then shouldn't you oppose it if you're anti-big guy corporation and support the poor noncapitalist?

I do oppose it. I post threads here constantly about how awful I think this bill is.

Wei Wu Wei
03-19-2010, 06:09 PM
Tell me dipshit, where in the constitution does it mandate that in order to be a citizen of the US that you HAVE to purchase health insurance? Tell me dipshit, should you be able to purchase car insurance AFTER you have had a wreck and then the insurance company should HAVE to pay to fix it?

No. That's why treating health care (treatment, insurance, ect.) as a commodity like any other is foolish. The only people who benefit from that are the owners of the companies in those industries. People can decide what is and isn't treated as a commodity in their society, it's not set in stone.

Sonnabend
03-19-2010, 06:42 PM
While I'll admit there isn't really anything called a "working class" because workers are very differentiated amongst themselves even, however there is surely a ruling class.

No.


I don't see how it's not obvious, money is power and the top 1% owns about half of it.

http://cdn.rollcall.com/media/newspics/50richestchart2009.jpg

Sonnabend
03-19-2010, 06:51 PM
Businessmen?

Bill Gates worked his ass off to get where he is

Donald Trump the same...that 1% you talk about also provide a MASSIVE percentage of employment...a fact you seem to want to ignore.


In 1995, Jill Blashack Strahan and her husband were barely making ends meet. Like so many of us, Jill was eager to discover her purpose, so she splurged on a session with a life coach. “When I told her my goal was to make $30,000 a year, she said I was setting the bar too low. I needed to focus on my passion, not on the paycheck.”

Jill, who lives with her son in Alexandria, Minnesota, owned a gift basket company and earned just $15,000 a year. She noticed when she let potential buyers taste the food items, the baskets sold like crazy. Jill thought, Why not sell the food directly to customers in a fun setting?

With $6,000 in savings, a bank loan and a friend’s investment, Jill started packaging gourmet foods in a backyard shed and selling them at taste-testing parties. It wasn’t easy. “I remember sitting outside one day, thinking we were three months behind on our house payment, I had two employees I couldn’t pay, and I ought to get a real job. But then I thought, No, this is your dream. Recommit and get to work.”
Warren Edward Buffett (born August 30, 1930) is a wealthy American investor and businessman. Nicknamed the "Oracle of Omaha", Buffett has amassed an enormous fortune from astute investments, particularly through his company Berkshire Hathaway, in which he holds a greater than 31% stake. With an estimated current net worth of $62 billion, he is ranked by Forbes as the richest person in the world, replacing Microsoft chairman Bill Gates from his top spot after 13 years. Worked to get what he has. Sorry you don't like it.

Every one of the 1% has worked and scrimped and saved and toiled to achieve their success.

They earned what they have.

Chris Gardner, the stockbroker and millionaire, was homeless, living in shelters, competed with 19 others to accomplish his goal. He lived in shelters, carried his suitcase to work.

Is that envy and greed I smell?

Jfor
03-19-2010, 06:53 PM
No. That's why treating health care (treatment, insurance, ect.) as a commodity like any other is foolish. The only people who benefit from that are the owners of the companies in those industries. People can decide what is and isn't treated as a commodity in their society, it's not set in stone.

Bullshit. I pick what healthcare COVERAGE I want to pay for. The insurance companies don't do that for me.