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CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-21-2010, 01:42 AM
Do you guys think we should keep the VA or get rid of it? It's a socialistic system, and obviously, no form of socialistic organization has any place in America--so should we get rid of the VA? And if so, how should veterans be compensated for their service? Or should they receive no compensation?

Rockntractor
03-21-2010, 01:58 AM
Do you guys think we should keep the VA or get rid of it? It's a socialistic system, and obviously, no form of socialistic organization has any place in America--so should we get rid of the VA? And if so, how should veterans be compensated for their service? Or should they receive no compensation?
This is part of the military. The military is not socialist. This has been explained to you on several occasions in several ways.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-21-2010, 02:09 AM
This is part of the military. The military is not socialist. This has been explained to you on several occasions in several ways.

The VA is a department with cabinet level status, the secretary of which is appointed by the President and confirmed by Congress, similar to the members of other departments like Social Security, HUD, etc...Doesn't sound like a military organization, but a government run organization designed to benefit members of the military. For example, when searching for military veteran's medical records in terms of their their treatment, treatment at a VA Hospital and a Military Hospital are two separate record centers. I went through this recently with my grandfather in that his active duty records, where he was treated at military hospitals during WWII, were a completely separate organization and method of recovery than his post war VA hospital records.

Speedy
03-21-2010, 02:40 AM
The VA is not a socialist program. It is a benefit offered to Veterans that EARNED it. If it was socialist it would be opened to everyone whether you earned it or not.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
03-21-2010, 02:47 AM
This is part of the military. The military is not socialist. This has been explained to you on several occasions in several ways.


The VA is not a socialist program. It is a benefit offered to Veterans that EARNED it. If it was socialist it would be opened to everyone whether you earned it or not.

So then is Social Security socialist? I mean you pay into it with your taxes for most if not all of your working career--thus getting benefits in return.

What about Medicare? I'd say making it to old age is pretty remarkable even in post modern age.

Speedy
03-21-2010, 02:55 AM
So then is Social Security socialist? I mean you pay into it with your taxes for most if not all of your working career--thus getting benefits in return.

What about Medicare? I'd say making it to old age is pretty remarkable even in post modern age.

Yes, I believe that Social Security is socialist and if it was up to me and I could opt out of it, I would. I could do a hell of alot better managing my own money than letting Social Security have it. And don't comeback with something stupid like I could deny my benefits or whatever. I paid my money into it, I want it back.

Milly
03-21-2010, 05:59 AM
Drawing comparions between SS, Medicare, the VA and the proposed health insurance reform is a false analogy.

Veterans have earned care at the VA by virtue of their military service and SS and Medicare recipients have earned their participation in those programs by virtue of having paid into them for all their working lives. Those who would benefit by health insurance reform have done nothing to earn it but breathe.

Lager
03-21-2010, 09:53 AM
The government funds and operates the military because that is one of the functions of the government that is clearly defined in the Constitution. So any compensation for military service is just that, compensation.

Social Security is another thing altogether. I have not seen anywhere where the Constitution states the government should take care of the elderly. SS is sold as an account that you pay into, but it's really a tax on the working population to take care of the retired.

marv
03-21-2010, 10:11 AM
Do you guys think we should keep the VA or get rid of it? It's a socialistic system, and obviously, no form of socialistic organization has any place in America--so should we get rid of the VA? And if so, how should veterans be compensated for their service? Or should they receive no compensation?
Hint: The VA is to the GI who served our nation what Workman's Compensation and unemployment insurance is to the klutz who hurts himself on the job or gets laid off because he can't carry his load.

SS was FDR's ponzi scheme. Workman's Compensation is a penalty tax on employers. BTW, that tax increases with every employee laid off - that's why it's a penalty tax against employers.

So....let's get rid of all of 'em, and let the chips lay where they fall!

Big Guy
03-21-2010, 10:11 AM
Social Security is a socialist organization;

People who have NEVER worked are given Social Security Disability and/or Supplemantal Security Income benefits. This is a HAND OUT, not earned.


The VA is earned, some benefits are given to all Veterans some benefits have additional qualifications, but ALL VA benefits are earned.

SaintLouieWoman
03-21-2010, 10:49 AM
Social Security is a socialist organization;

People who have NEVER worked are given Social Security Disability and/or Supplemantal Security Income benefits. This is a HAND OUT, not earned.


The VA is earned, some benefits are given to all Veterans some benefits have additional qualifications, but ALL VA benefits are earned.

Funny thing, over the years when I've gotten my SS reports, I would have received more benefits if I had a "disability". Some of the disabilities are necessary, but I think many are not. Just listen to the widespread tv ads of the slimeball attorneys who specialize in Medicare disability work.

For those who have worked long and hard and put way too much money into social security, the handouts for the Supplemental Security Income are infuriating.

The healthcare is just another government boondoggle, taking from those who actually work and giving them to many of the shiftless, whether legal or illegal.

Teetop
03-21-2010, 11:12 AM
Funny thing, over the years when I've gotten my SS reports, I would have received more benefits if I had a "disability". Some of the disabilities are necessary, but I think many are not. Just listen to the widespread tv ads of the slimeball attorneys who specialize in Medicare disability work.

For those who have worked long and hard and put way too much money into social security, the handouts for the Supplemental Security Income are infuriating.

The healthcare is just another government boondoggle, taking from those who actually work and giving them to many of the shiftless, whether legal or illegal.

You go girl!

Speedy
03-21-2010, 11:21 AM
Where did he go?

fettpett
03-21-2010, 01:08 PM
too many logical arguements fried his brain

The VA (in various forms since the Revelotuion) was put in place to take care of Veterans that served and protected the US. It's there to help those that defeneded us. Yes there needs to be fixes to the VA system (as it's a perfect example of what happens and a beauracey controls medical care) and possiblely given to Veterans in the form or vouchers for private insurance instead.

Soical Securty and Medicare/Medicaid are completly different. We don't get any money we put into SS. our money goes into supporting those that are CURRENTLY retired and/or on Benifits.