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marv
03-22-2010, 04:48 PM
http://senateconservatives.com/repeal

Hansel
03-22-2010, 05:07 PM
http://senateconservatives.com/repeal

I prefer to look at the deails first. My wife and I don't need it although we may be impacted by it, but I look at it this way, being a moderate and a pragmatist. There is a great need of healthcare for a lot of people and to me our healthcare is about as basic as our energy supply or our common defense. Healthcare in a sense is defense against many many pathogens that threaten to take us down and we as a nation cannot function well with massive illnesses.

Some take the misquided notion that only the losers are in need of healthcare, the couch potatoes and the bums. That is not true as many a working stiff cannot earn enough to provide healthcare insurance for him or his family. I wish it didn't have to happen but isn't it time we face up to the matter and try to do something for those in need?

Is the plan fair, probably not, and is it affordable, probably not, but we have to start somewhere. I have watced our Medigap premiums skyrocket in the past 20 years or so and although we have it made compared to some, it may be a real burden for us someday. Reform may be needed but there has to be a better way than fleecing the rich for the sake of the poor. I think that will drive investment capital offshore and then we will have lost the geese that lay the golden eggs.

Sonnabend
03-22-2010, 05:27 PM
That is not true as many a working stiff cannot earn enough to provide healthcare insurance for him or his familyHorseshit.


My wife and I don't need it although we may be impacted by it, but I look at it this way, being a moderate and a pragmatistRead the bill, you will buy or else.


Healthcare in a sense is defense against many many pathogens that threaten to take us down and we as a nation cannot function well with massive illnesses. And people cannot function without money, with which to live and higher taxes take that from those who work and give it to those who dont.....one of the tenets of a Communist approach.


I wish it didn't have to happen but isn't it time we face up to the matter and try to do something for those in need? They'll have to buy it as well, or else.....missed that, did you?


I think that will drive investment capital offshore and then we will have lost the geese that lay the golden eggs. Along with a lot of jobs. When it becomes too expensive to do business, they leave.

z06gal
03-22-2010, 05:34 PM
I prefer to look at the deails first. My wife and I don't need it although we may be impacted by it, but I look at it this way, being a moderate and a pragmatist. There is a great need of healthcare for a lot of people and to me our healthcare is about as basic as our energy supply or our common defense. Healthcare in a sense is defense against many many pathogens that threaten to take us down and we as a nation cannot function well with massive illnesses.

Some take the misquided notion that only the losers are in need of healthcare, the couch potatoes and the bums. That is not true as many a working stiff cannot earn enough to provide healthcare insurance for him or his family. I wish it didn't have to happen but isn't it time we face up to the matter and try to do something for those in need?

Is the plan fair, probably not, and is it affordable, probably not, but we have to start somewhere. I have watced our Medigap premiums skyrocket in the past 20 years or so and although we have it made compared to some, it may be a real burden for us someday. Reform may be needed but there has to be a better way than fleecing the rich for the sake of the poor. I think that will drive investment capital offshore and then we will have lost the geese that lay the golden eggs.


Unfortunately, Obamacare is not about healthcare and why people can't see that blows my mind. Have you read it? It is about total control and power -- that is it. This man wants to regulate everything and to do that he has to destroy/collapse the economy to. Why in the name of all that is holy would he impose legislation right now that will drastically raise taxes = 4 years of taxation before one benefit is received in the biggest recession we have had for 50 years? Top income earners will be paying nearly 70%. People are not going to do this. Businesses will lay many off because this bill is not affordable. It will be cheaper to pay the fines. Medicaid is broke; medicare is broke; go check out the VA. NOTHING that the gov't has ever tried to run has worked. 159 new gov't panels to tell the doctors what they can and cannot do for their patients and unfortunately, these new panels will not be physicians. Let's not forget the 17500 new irs agents to hover over medical facilities. Again, these people will not be doctors in any way. This plan WILL destroy this country. Bank on it and sir, I absolutely REFUSE to allow one tax dollar to be used to murder the unborn. Killing the unborn and taking the benefits away from the seniors is called controlling the population. This admin is nothing but dictators and they MUST be voted out.

Rockntractor
03-22-2010, 05:40 PM
Along with a lot of jobs. When it becomes too expensive to do business, they leave.

I watched the machining industry in Tulsa slowly decimated over the last 30 years. One by one factories and businesses that required metal work went away until only the aircraft was left and now a lot of it is sent over seas for the machine work and sent back back in completed assembled units. This is one of the reasons I went into business myself. If the economy fails to turn around that may be a meager existence too. Affordable health care is getting our economy and energy policies back on track. If we want to live longer any healthier to expect to do anything other than pay for what we get is ridiculous.

Speedy
03-22-2010, 05:47 PM
I prefer to look at the deails first. My wife and I don't need it although we may be impacted by it, but I look at it this way, being a moderate and a pragmatist. There is a great need of healthcare for a lot of people and to me our healthcare is about as basic as our energy supply or our common defense. Healthcare in a sense is defense against many many pathogens that threaten to take us down and we as a nation cannot function well with massive illnesses.

Some take the misquided notion that only the losers are in need of healthcare, the couch potatoes and the bums. That is not true as many a working stiff cannot earn enough to provide healthcare insurance for him or his family. I wish it didn't have to happen but isn't it time we face up to the matter and try to do something for those in need?

Is the plan fair, probably not, and is it affordable, probably not, but we have to start somewhere. I have watced our Medigap premiums skyrocket in the past 20 years or so and although we have it made compared to some, it may be a real burden for us someday. Reform may be needed but there has to be a better way than fleecing the rich for the sake of the poor. I think that will drive investment capital offshore and then we will have lost the geese that lay the golden eggs.


Jesus fucking Christ! Just say "No" to the damned thing! Instead of going off on something that can't be put in a barrel without a bottom.

marv
03-22-2010, 08:02 PM
The fact is that this bill ain't about a comprehensive health care or insurance reform. Otherwise it would have included vision and dental benefits like they have in Congress instead of education loans.

It's just about government POWER!

hazlnut
03-22-2010, 08:04 PM
http://senateconservatives.com/repeal

You realize the GOPs running their mouth about 'repeal, repeal' are talking out of their collective asshole?

To repeal that bill, Republicans will have to get to 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House.

For the next 3 years they will need 67 votes in the Senate and 290 votes in the House to override President Obama's veto.

And, what exactly, would they be repealing?

Re-open the donut hole?

Allow insurance companies to drop sick kids, again using PECs?

Cancel medical insurance for 30 million people?

Eliminate tax credits for small businesses?


You can imagine the political attack ads already...

stsinner
03-22-2010, 08:16 PM
We signed a pledge with Scott Brown, but these pieces of shit don't listen.. I'm not wasting my time.. I'll vote, and that's all I can do...

stsinner
03-22-2010, 08:17 PM
You realize the GOPs running their mouth about 'repeal, repeal' are talking out of their collective asshole?

To repeal that bill, Republicans will have to get to 60 votes in the Senate and a majority in the House.

For the next 3 years they will need 67 votes in the Senate and 290 votes in the House to override President Obama's veto.

And, what exactly, would they be repealing?

Re-open the donut hole?

Allow insurance companies to drop sick kids, again using PECs?

Cancel medical insurance for 30 million people?

Eliminate tax credits for small businesses?


You can imagine the political attack ads already...

Yes... Drop all those lazy, leaching fucks back out of the the insurance system and make them responsible for attaining it.. Let the states make these decisions.. The Federal government has no business in this arena.. It's so anti-Constitutional that it's disgusting...

It's called reinstating personal responsibility, instead of collective responsibility.. We not in the fucking Army... And we're not supposed to be a Socialist country..

zBoots
03-22-2010, 09:36 PM
It's just about government POWER!

That is a fact. And they will not give it back. Petition or no petition.