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Carol
04-03-2010, 12:01 PM
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr-03-10 10:11 AM
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Alan Grayson files formal complaint with FL Medical Board over "if you voted for Obama" urologist Updated at 9:36 PM

Alan Grayson: Urologist Who Put Anti-Obama Signs Up in Violation of Ethics Rules
By Heather Saturday Apr 03, 2010 6:30am

Congressman Alan Grayson has filed a formal complaint with the Florida Department of Health and the Florida Medical board after a voter in his district sent him a picture of this -- Pissed-off Florida urologist to Obama supporters: Go somewhere else. Par for the course Anderson Cooper questioned Rep. Grayson's motives with filing the complaints.

COOPER: Democratic Congressman now Alan Grayson. A woman whose daughter took a picture of the sign sent it to the congressman complaining. He's filing a formal complaint with the Florida Department of Health and the Florida Medical Board. Congressman Grayson joins us now.

You -- does it make sense, what the doctor is saying? I mean, he's claiming he's not turning any patients away.

REP. ALAN GRAYSON: He's a very confused individual. That much is obvious.

But what he's doing clearly is a violation of the ethics rules that you cited earlier, the Hippocratic oath, the rules of the AMA. And it's at the expense of his patients and care. What he's doing is no different from saying, "I will not treat a black person. I will not treat a Catholic."

I thought that we, as a country, has moved beyond that.

COOPER: But wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute.

I mean, I'm not taking a side. I'm not taking anybody's side in this, but, just for accuracy's sake, he has said nothing about race. And race is a protected category. I mean, there are -- it is illegal to discriminate someone based on race. It is not illegal to say you don't want to treat somebody because you don't like their politics. Politics is not a protected class.

GRAYSON: Well, in fact, where he lives, in Mount Dora, which is in my district, many, many of the Democrats who live in Mount Dora happen to be African-Americans.

So, by saying that he will not treat somebody who supported Obama, he's saying that he's not going to treat a large number of African-Americans in the community.

COOPER: Wait. So, you're saying race is at the core of this? Come on. There is no evidence of that at all.

GRAYSON: No, I'm saying -- I'm saying that it shows very poor judgment. And the effect of this -- the effect of this is to set us back as a country. That's why I'm disgusted by it.

COOPER: But, again, he's not doing anything illegal.

GRAYSON: Well, that remains to be seen. You know, he's licensed. There are licensing authorities who are going to look into what he's doing. And I hope that they will take action, because, frankly, I think a lot of people are disturbed just to go into his office. He's turned his inner office, his reception area, into some shrine of right-wing nuttery.

And he said earlier today on FOX News that he's upset about the health care bill because it means that old people won't able to go to nursing homes anymore.


COOPER: Critics of you, though, will say, well, look, this comes across as a partisan attack, that you're using the legal system, or the medical ethics system, to pressure someone who doesn't agree with you.

GRAYSON: Well, that's not true.

COOPER: I mean, if this was an Obama supporter who put up a sign saying, "I don't like Republicans, and Republicans should go elsewhere," would you be as outraged?

GRAYSON: I'm protecting the people in my district who deserve medical care, even if they happen to have voted for Obama.

COOPER: Nobody, though, seems to be alleging that he treats any of his patients any differently based on what they believe. I mean, so far, no one has said that their care has suffered because they were an Obama supporter.

GRAYSON: How many people walked in -- walked up to his front door, saw the sign, and turned away? How many people referred from other physicians in the community, including primary care physicians, how many patients saw that sign and walked away?

COOPER: What kind of penalty do you think he should get?

GRAYSON: Well, whatever the medical authorities think he should get. But it is a clear violation of ethics, and it's a particularly ugly one. Why is it that the right wing is so preoccupied with denying people health? Why is that?

COOPER: Representative Alan Grayson, appreciate you being on for your perspective. Thank you very much.

GRAYSON: Thank you.

Transcript via CNN.There were many comments like these:
nc4bo Sat Apr-03-10 10:13 AM
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1. I like Grayson more and more every day.
Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-03-10 10:17 AM
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3. Alan Grayson is my hero. n/t

lpbk2713 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat Apr-03-10 10:15 AM
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2. Excellent.

Edited on Sat Apr-03-10 10:16 AM by lpbk2713

He's entitled to his opinions but he can't be allowed to arbitrarily
decide who receives medical care and who does not.

Well done, Citizen Grayson. Democrats like bk are blind, have poor reading comprehension and are in self induced ignorance.

He said he will treat anyone who comes in the door. But if you voted for Obama you were welcome to go elsewhere.

If this were someone who had anti Obama or healthcare info in his office---or even a conversation with a democrat patient they would be organizing a boycott. But since it's the doctor inviting them to go elsewhere they are up in arms.

Not everyone agreed:

notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-03-10 10:20 AM
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5. Bad Mojo

It is completely inappropriate for a sitting Congressman to be targeting a constituent based on his political beliefs. This is a precedent I definitely don't want to see set. Grayson is well on his way to being a one-and-done Congressman.

(Before the knee jerk harpies come and bash me for saying this, check the record - I was a strong Grayson supporter before 99% of you ever heard of him.)

abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-03-10 10:33 AM
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7. He is responding to a constituents

letter. He is just doing his job. Happens every day. When my grandmother was denied help getting into an assisted living complex she wrote her senator and he called on her behalf. It only seems different because the right and FOX news has created a polarized world where everything seems like and us vs them issue.Ahhh, NO, it's not FOX news its Obama, Grayson, other Democrats, Matthews, Oberman, and Maddow that are creating a polarized world.

Funny isn't it, how they always identify conservative sources as being divisive, polarizing, being hateful, etc. no matter the circumstance?

kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-03-10 11:22 AM
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18. Ooooohhhh, Grayson is showing his legal skills. This will draw blood.

ProgressiveProfessor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Sat Apr-03-10 11:27 AM
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21. Be interesting what the basis of the complaint is...since what he is doing is quite legal.

If its not competence, the docs license is not at risk.

There is no affirmative duty for a doc in private practice to treat any particular patient, and docs refuse patients all the time for any number of reasons, including lack of insurance or not having insurance with a group they accept. The Hippocratic oath is not binding and many docs do not belong to the AMA. Unless the patient is being turned away for being a member of a legally protected class, there is no legal case for discrimination. A family member went through this recently. I was at first amazed, and then came to realize that being a doctor is not all that different than being a plumber from a legal perspective. Not defending the action AT ALL, just want to make sure that everyone realizes Grayson's complaint is little more than a PR stunt and nothing effective can be done against him in terms of licensing.

That said, picketing the hospitals where he has privileges, at his home, and other tools to publicize his position and thereby impact his income are also perfectly legal and should be exploited to their fullest.

PoliCon
04-03-2010, 01:52 PM
grayson=fucktard

ralph wiggum
04-03-2010, 10:26 PM
I think the race card is way over it's credit limit.

noonwitch
04-05-2010, 08:48 AM
The doctor's sign/policy isn't racist, unless one assumes that only black people voted for Obama. Since he got over 50% of the vote, and black people make up somewhere around 12% of the population, that's not likely.


The doctor is still wrong, he's just not racist. He wants to disregard his hippocratic oath, and discriminate in treatment against people whose politics are different from his. If he practices in a big city with a lot of liberals, his practice will likely suffer for his policy.

NJCardFan
04-05-2010, 11:39 AM
The doctor's sign/policy isn't racist, unless one assumes that only black people voted for Obama. Since he got over 50% of the vote, and black people make up somewhere around 12% of the population, that's not likely.


The doctor is still wrong, he's just not racist. He wants to disregard his hippocratic oath, and discriminate in treatment against people whose politics are different from his. If he practices in a big city with a lot of liberals, his practice will likely suffer for his policy.
Another with reading comprehension issues. The doctor isn't refusing treatment. He's suggesting they look for it elsewhere. If these people read the sign and still want him to treat them, he will. Next time try reading what this man had to say before jumping to conclusions.

noonwitch
04-05-2010, 01:07 PM
Another with reading comprehension issues. The doctor isn't refusing treatment. He's suggesting they look for it elsewhere. If these people read the sign and still want him to treat them, he will. Next time try reading what this man had to say before jumping to conclusions.


Just reading in a hurry.


The doctor still put the sign up and it is divisive. It's not something I would want to see posted on my doctor's door-I don't care if my doctor is a dem or repub, or what her opinion is about Obamacare. All I care is that she is properly trained and knows what she is doing. This reminds me of the stupid woman in Grosse Point who wouldn't give Halloween candy to any trick or treaters whose parents voted for Obama.

I hope lots of his patients find another urologist to see.

Novaheart
04-05-2010, 01:12 PM
The doctor's sign/policy isn't racist, unless one assumes that only black people voted for Obama. Since he got over 50% of the vote, and black people make up somewhere around 12% of the population, that's not likely.


The doctor is still wrong, he's just not racist. He wants to disregard his hippocratic oath, and discriminate in treatment against people whose politics are different from his. If he practices in a big city with a lot of liberals, his practice will likely suffer for his policy.

How is that a violation of the Hippocratic Oath?

BTW, if I were a doctor, I would refuse to write scripts for Viagra to dirtbags.