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CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-05-2010, 03:17 PM
I know a guy who is a marine (in training to be exact), and by association a friend of his, who is also a marine.
The guy, well both of them, have a self profressed deep hatred and disdain for 'civilians'. My friend refers to everyone as 'civilian'--in a very condescending way, as in he talks down to those who aren't military, he feels the military would/would've been nothing without the marines and despises civilians saying civilians are ''all fucked up.''

His friend, according to my friend, also hates civilians.

I was wondering if this hatred and disdain for civilians and other military branches is common in the marines/?

--I know guys who are in the Army and guys who are in the Navy and none of them have any of the anger or hate toward civilians nor any arrogance--they don't act as if their being in the military puts them a step above everyone else, unlike my friend and his friend.

Speedy
04-05-2010, 03:44 PM
I would have to ask your friend, who is he serving? Who is he fighting for? Other Marines? If he is not fighting for the civilians, then he is a disgrace. When I was in the army I did view civilians as weak, but I did not hate them. That is who I was serving. "Marines" like your friend are the ones who would gleefully turn their weapons upon us at the behest of Obama and what does that say about him?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-05-2010, 03:58 PM
I would have to ask your friend, who is he serving? Who is he fighting for? Other Marines? If he is not fighting for the civilians, then he is a disgrace. When I was in the army I did view civilians as weak, but I did not hate them. That is who I was serving. "Marines" like your friend are the ones who would gleefully turn their weapons upon us at the behest of Obama and what does that say about him?

Well, I doubt he'd do much of anything at the behest of Obama--he is a self described ''far right conservative'' who hates Obama.' He joined the marines, he said, because he is a soldier of God and is fighting a war against God's enemies--a modern crusade is the way he put it--That is who he is serving. He also serves because he feels the need to be part of something larger--major insecurity issues. He has said that without his rifle he is ''nothing'', and without the corps., he is ''nothing''.
This is the same guy who let the aforementioned friend (other marine) talk about his own ''beloved'' girlfriend like a whore simply because he was also a marine, thereby making them 'brothers'.

He takes it EXTREMELY seriously--as I said, refers to every non military person as ''civilian'' in a condescending manner, and says ''Semper Fi'' at the end of every conversation.

linda22003
04-05-2010, 04:15 PM
Well, I doubt he'd do much of anything at the behest of Obama--he is a self described ''far right conservative'' who hates Obama.' He joined the marines, he said, because he is a soldier of God and is fighting a war against God's enemies--a modern crusade is the way he put it--That is who he is serving.

It doesn't matter if it's Obama. There's a reason his Commander in Chief is a civilian. As to his other remarks, has he attracted the attention of mental health professionals where he's stationed? :rolleyes:

noonwitch
04-05-2010, 04:21 PM
I don't know many Marines, but I really don't think what your friend is saying is indicative of the entire corps. I grew up with a guy who wanted to be a Marine since he was a little kid-he wanted to be a Marine because he felt that the Marine Corps had the highest standards of performance and honor of all the military branches and that is what he wanted to be. He still is one, as far as I know. His view has always been one of serving his nation with honor, not of only serving some of the american people.

Gingersnap
04-05-2010, 04:43 PM
It's pretty common for young men who have entered a risky occupation to talk trash about those who aren't part of their group. You hear it among guys who go into police work or fire fighting, you hear it from young truckers and heavy equipment operators, and you will always hear it from guys with hobbies like base-jumping, extreme skiing, or motorcycle sports.

There's nothing sinister at work here - it's a common phase people go through. It happens more to guys because they are much more likely to be involved in a physically demanding effort that requires a lot of very tight teamwork. A necessary part of building a team is making sure to exclude almost everybody from that team and labeling the team members themselves as superior in some way. That's just way it works.

As they grow older and more confident (and less cocky) this behavior will tone down. ;)

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-05-2010, 05:05 PM
I would have to ask your friend, who is he serving? Who is he fighting for? Other Marines? If he is not fighting for the civilians, then he is a disgrace. When I was in the army I did view civilians as weak, but I did not hate them. That is who I was serving. "Marines" like your friend are the ones who would gleefully turn their weapons upon us at the behest of Obama and what does that say about him?


It doesn't matter if it's Obama. There's a reason his Commander in Chief is a civilian. As to his other remarks, has he attracted the attention of mental health professionals where he's stationed? :rolleyes:

That I don't know, but prior to joining he whipped himself--He is a very old school Catholic--He is extremely religious. He has a lot of Crusader and medieval iconography, and one time we got into an argument about the Crusades and (I've done a lot of reading on the Medieval era as it was a craze of mine at one time) told him about the Children's Crusade--He felt that was a great event and the medieval era was a better time socially and in other ways. He just has a VERY old school mindset. I have an old school mindset but my mind set is more of a 1950s/1960s sort of mindset, whereas his is an 1300s mindset.

Wei Wu Wei
04-05-2010, 05:41 PM
Marines have it tough bro. They sustain psychological trauma unlike what any civilians can understand. So they have some issues, they're humans and they're humans in extraordinary circumstances, it should be expected.

Speedy
04-05-2010, 05:42 PM
That I don't know, but prior to joining he whipped himself--He is a very old school Catholic--He is extremely religious. He has a lot of Crusader and medieval iconography, and one time we got into an argument about the Crusades and (I've done a lot of reading on the Medieval era as it was a craze of mine at one time) told him about the Children's Crusade--He felt that was a great event and the medieval era was a better time socially and in other ways. He just has a VERY old school mindset. I have an old school mindset but my mind set is more of a 1950s/1960s sort of mindset, whereas his is an 1300s mindset.

You say he is in training, if that is so, he will be very disappointed in the Marines as they do not believe as he does. Marines, soldiers, airman and sailors serve to protect the civilians that don't.

Wei Wu Wei
04-05-2010, 05:42 PM
On the other hand though...lol

Megaguns91
04-05-2010, 06:33 PM
My friends that are in the marines are cool guys. Very relaxed. Sounds like your friend(s) are trying too hard to compensate for something.... ;)

Sonnabend
04-05-2010, 06:51 PM
Well, I doubt he'd do much of anything at the behest of Obama--he is a self described ''far right conservative'' who hates Obama.' He joined the marines, he said, because he is a [quote]soldier of God and
is fighting a war against God's enemiesnote


-a modern crusade is the way he put it--That is who he is serving. He also serves because he feels the need to be part of something larger--Then this


major insecurity issues.then


He has said that without his rifle he is ''nothing'', and without the corps., he is ''nothing''.Tell me, CITM, is this the same person you mentioned before? So this person "screws girls then tells you they are used" now he is a "soldier of God" and has "major insecurity" and is on " a crusade"...does anyone else besides me smell more than one meme in this guy's posts?


He has said that without his rifle he is ''nothing'"Without me my rifle is useless, without my rifle , I am useless"

Straight out of "Full Metal Jacket"

I smell BS.

linda22003
04-05-2010, 08:53 PM
You say he is in training, if that is so, he will be very disappointed in the Marines as they do not believe as he does. Marines, soldiers, airman and sailors serve to protect the civilians that don't.

A neighbor and friend of ours was second in command of the entire Marine Corps some years ago. He is the epitome of an Officer and a Gentleman. He would be highly alarmed by this young man's (child's) behavior. The kid will never make officer if he doesn't grow up.

Speedy
04-05-2010, 09:02 PM
A neighbor and friend of ours was second in command of the entire Marine Corps some years ago. He is the epitome of an Officer and a Gentleman. He would be highly alarmed by this young man's (child's) behavior. The kid will never make officer if he doesn't grow up.

If the kid is trying to be an officer he will have a short and very screwed up career. And it won't be other officers that will fuck him up, but his own troops. The marines serving under him will not put up with that shit and morale will be nonexistent.

lacarnut
04-05-2010, 09:03 PM
[quote]Well, I doubt he'd do much of anything at the behest of Obama--he is a self described ''far right conservative'' who hates Obama.' He joined the marines, he said, because he is a and note

Then this

then

Tell me, CITM, is this the same person you mentioned before? So this person "screws girls then tells you they are used" now he is a "soldier of God" and has "major insecurity" and is on " a crusade"...does anyone else besides me smell more than one meme in this guy's posts?

"Without me my rifle is useless, without my rifle , I am useless"

Straight out of "Full Metal Jacket"

I smell BS.

Same here. I smell a rat that stinks to high heaven. A Marine would not give this turd the time of day.
Why would a right winger who is anti-civilan have anything to do with your dumb liberal leaning ass.

Rockntractor
04-05-2010, 09:10 PM
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CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-05-2010, 09:46 PM
[QUOTE=Sonnabend;256532]

Same here. I smell a rat that stinks to high heaven. A Marine would not give this turd the time of day.
Why would a right winger who is anti-civilan have anything to do with your dumb liberal leaning ass.

We went to High School together; we met in history class and used to debate history and politics both in class and out. That's how I got to know him.

Sonnabend
04-06-2010, 09:43 AM
We went to High School together; we met in history class and used to debate history and politics both in class and out. That's how I got to know him.

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djones520
04-09-2010, 02:56 PM
I don't know. I've met some class act fuck up Marines. They really will recruit the ones the other services won't touch with a 10 foot poll. A classic example, I went to High School with this guy who got busted for "planning" a columbine in our school. Ended up getting expelled. Guy was also a self admitted pedophile. At 19/20 years old he slept with 14 year old girls left and right, and bragged about it.

He joined the Marines a year before I joined the Air Force.

Jfor
04-09-2010, 03:02 PM
I know a guy who is a marine (in training to be exact), and by association a friend of his, who is also a marine.
The guy, well both of them, have a self profressed deep hatred and disdain for 'civilians'. My friend refers to everyone as 'civilian'--in a very condescending way, as in he talks down to those who aren't military, he feels the military would/would've been nothing without the marines and despises civilians saying civilians are ''all fucked up.''

His friend, according to my friend, also hates civilians.

I was wondering if this hatred and disdain for civilians and other military branches is common in the marines/?

--I know guys who are in the Army and guys who are in the Navy and none of them have any of the anger or hate toward civilians nor any arrogance--they don't act as if their being in the military puts them a step above everyone else, unlike my friend and his friend.

Or maybe civilian is his code word for you. You know, because you are such a likeable prick.

ironhorsedriver
04-09-2010, 04:38 PM
Coming to this one late. Hopefully his understanding of who he serves for, and why will come to him. By the way, there are no ex-Marines.

Chuck58
04-09-2010, 04:58 PM
I don't know. I've met some class act fuck up Marines. They really will recruit the ones the other services won't touch with a 10 foot poll. A classic example, I went to High School with this guy who got busted for "planning" a columbine in our school. Ended up getting expelled. Guy was also a self admitted pedophile. At 19/20 years old he slept with 14 year old girls left and right, and bragged about it.

He joined the Marines a year before I joined the Air Force.

Bullshit! I think it's the reverse. The Marine Corps won't take people that the other services will snap up.

I've met some first class fuck ups who were in the Army, a helluva lot more than served in the Corps.

The Marine Corps takes people the other services won't touch? In fact, it's the other way round.

ironhorsedriver
04-09-2010, 05:21 PM
Bottom line, if he holds a really crap attitude, a little blanket party will tune him up.

JR2980
04-09-2010, 05:24 PM
Well, first off, there is no such thing as an "EX" Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine.


I'm a Marine, no longer on active duty - I can tell you that the USMC faces problems with some of their members, just like every other branch of service does.

Having said that, I have found that the Marine Corps is really good at weeding most these type of people out. With that kind of attitude, a person like that will not fit in, and will end up alienating everyone. That wont work in the Marine Corps and he will eventually either get pushed out because he is an ignorant fool, or end up getting out on his own because he isn't happy.

If he is a new young Marine fresh out of bootcamp, that attitude will change very quickly as he matures or he wont be on active duty very long.


Again, there is always the exception that proves the rule, and there are probably some guys out there like this but I can guarantee that this is not a reflection of 99.9% of the Marine Corps - or any of the other branches of the service for that matter.



As for the Marines taking recruits that the other services wont touch - not really. There are far fewer Marines than there are members of any of the other services so the Marines can be, and generally are a little more selective on who they recruit. Its a numbers game - same pool to choose from as the other services, but far fewer slots to fill.

I do know several people that were turned down by other branches that ended up joining the Marines, but none of them were because of character or criminal issues. The requirements to be a USMC grunt are inherently lower than requirements to be a radar man, or intelligence specialist, etc.

Not to say that grunts are stupid you just don't need to have high technical aptitude to be a fighter - I had a buddy that wanted to be a forward air controller in the air force, but he didn't have the technical scores on the aptitude test to get that job, so he decided he'd rather join the Marines and be a grunt.



Semper Fi

:D

bijou
07-25-2010, 09:56 AM
Closed at OP's request