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Apocalypse
04-10-2010, 09:42 PM
April 10, 2010

FORT LAUDERDALE (CBS4) ― A woman battling a cancer battle was dealt a surprise blow by Uncle Sam this month.

Diana Smith has gone through six months of radiation and chemotherapy ó one week out of every month. She is in remission and had a donor for a transplant; being in remission is prerequisite for the transplant.

But her hopes of receiving the transplant were dashed in March, when she says, the Social Security Administration contacted her Ėwithout her soliciting it ó and told her that her three year-old son was entitled to receive Social Security disability payments. Even though she didnít ask for it, she signed the form and received her sonís first check check.

In April, Medicaid canceled her universal health care policy because her income level had risen with her sonís payments Ė making her ineligible for the insurance program.

The problem is Jackson Memorial Hospital cannot provide the procedure because the risk is too high. The universal policy from Medicaid helps shield the hospital from liability in this kind of case. Without it, they are subject to liability issues.

Even though Smith offered to cancel her sonís disability benefits, she was told itís too late.

"Sheís gone through six months worth of radiation and chemo, her body canít take anymore. If they donít allow her to have this transplant coming up right now next week, theyíre in effect signing her death warrant," said her friend Tom Noonan.

"I want to live to see my son grow up and get on with my life," Smith told CBS4ís Ted Scouten.

As a result of the WFOR CBS 4 report, State Sen. Dave Aronberg is prepared to take action over the weekend. Social Security officials are also looking into the case to make the surgery happen on Tuesday as had been planned.


http://cbs4.com/local/Diana.Smith.Woman.2.1623788.html

Rockntractor
04-10-2010, 09:55 PM
There is a special place in hell for the people that are causing this!:mad:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-10-2010, 10:12 PM
She signed the SS Disability agreement. Maybe she should've read the fine print or researched it before she signed. After all, personal responsibility, right?

Rockntractor
04-10-2010, 10:13 PM
She signed the SS Disability agreement. Maybe she should've read the fine print or researched it before she signed. After all, personal responsibility, right?

Yeah she deserves to die!

PoliCon
04-10-2010, 11:39 PM
YAY! OBAMACARE! YAY GOVERNMENT! You know if this had happened while Bush was president this would be all his fault. . . . WHAT AM I THINKING! It's still all his fault!

Rockntractor
04-10-2010, 11:45 PM
I wonder if she will request to be buried in an Obama tshirt?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-10-2010, 11:50 PM
Yeah she deserves to die!

Hey, she signed that agreement, she got what she wanted. Personal responsibility.

Rockntractor
04-10-2010, 11:53 PM
Hey, she signed that agreement, she got what she wanted. Personal responsibility.

Of course, she isn't your mother, let her die.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-10-2010, 11:59 PM
Yeah she deserves to die!


Of course, she isn't your mother, let her die.

Personal responsibility. Should more of our tax dollars go to because of her lack of research?

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:01 AM
Personal responsibility. Should more of our tax dollars go to because of her lack of research?
Why don't you see if you can get a hold of her, maybe she will let you pull the plug.:rolleyes:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:04 AM
Why don't you see if you can get a hold of her, maybe she will let you pull the plug.:rolleyes:

That's too tempting.

Apocalypse
04-11-2010, 12:08 AM
Personal responsibility. Should more of our tax dollars go to because of her lack of research?

Brilliant tactic of Zero to save on health care cost. Just raise the pay level of those with costly health problems just enough to drop them through legal trickery.

Just like what all Democrats want. If you get sick, Democrats WANT YOU TO DIE QUICKLY! It saves them money!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:09 AM
Why don't you see if you can get a hold of her, maybe she will let you pull the plug.:rolleyes:


Brilliant tactic of Zero to save on health care cost. Just raise the pay level of those with costly health problems just enough to drop them through legal trickery.

Just like what all Democrats want. If you get sick, Democrats WANT YOU TO DIE QUICKLY! It saves them money!

Well, it's better than the Republican policy of allowing one to die slowly in the streets because they 'chose' to be poor, right?

I mean no one forced SS Disability on this woman. She chose it.

Apocalypse
04-11-2010, 12:13 AM
Well, it's better than the Republican policy of allowing one to die slowly in the streets because they 'chose' to be poor, right?

I mean no one forced SS Disability on this woman. She chose it.

Fact dumbass. Well before obamacare, no hospital was permitted to turn away any one who needed medical care for life threatening illnesses regardless of ability to pay. It was law! Look it up, and learn some thing. Now it seems, that is exactly what we have now thanks to the caring compassionate liberal dumb-asses. :rolleyes:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:15 AM
Fact dumbass. Well before obamacare, no hospital was permitted to turn away any one who needed medical care for life threatening illnesses regardless of ability to pay. It was law! Look it up, and learn some thing. Now it seems, that is exactly what we have now thanks to the caring compassionate liberal dumb-asses. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I know, before 1986. Isn't that involuntary servitude on the part of the Hospital (being forced to treat someone they wouldn't normally) and a violation of the hospital's freedom of association? This is the constitutional move.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:21 AM
Yeah, I know, before 1986. Isn't that involuntary servitude on the part of the Hospital (being forced to treat someone they wouldn't normally) and a violation of the hospital's freedom of association? This is the constitutional move.
You people truly do scare me and no your not in the middle. Your just another leftist, part of the crowd of clones, your posts prove it.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:28 AM
Fact dumbass. Well before obamacare, no hospital was permitted to turn away any one who needed medical care for life threatening illnesses regardless of ability to pay. It was law! Look it up, and learn some thing. Now it seems, that is exactly what we have now thanks to the caring compassionate liberal dumb-asses. :rolleyes:


You people truly do scare me and no your not in the middle. Your just another leftist, part of the crowd of clones, your posts prove it.

So you're saying a hospital should be forced against it's will to treat people who won't be able to pay? Essentially working for no pay..Involuntary servitude. I think the 13th amendment has something to say about that.

'Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.'

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:31 AM
So you're saying a hospital should be forced against it's will to treat people who won't be able to pay? Essentially working for no pay..Involuntary servitude. I think the 13th amendment has something to say about that.
Pay arrangement can be made later. There is an oath to preserve life that is taken. it's not like being a mechanic.

Apocalypse
04-11-2010, 12:34 AM
So you're saying a hospital should be forced against it's will to treat people who won't be able to pay? Essentially working for no pay..Involuntary servitude. I think the 13th amendment has something to say about that.

'Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.'

You have no idea how hospitals work do you? How they have been recouping their cost from those who can't pay. Ever wonder why you pay $100 for one aspen.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:35 AM
Pay arrangement can be made later. There is an oath to preserve life that is taken. it's not like being a mechanic.

So the Hippocratic Oath is more important the Constitution? I don't remember that being anywhere in the Constitution.
In the meantime, till payment is made, the physicians, nurses, etc are working for no pay.

NJCardFan
04-11-2010, 12:35 AM
Well, it's better than the Republican policy of allowing one to die slowly in the streets because they 'chose' to be poor, right?

I mean no one forced SS Disability on this woman. She chose it.
Oh yeah. You're a centrist and a moderate. Uh huh. And Rupal is really a woman. Get lost you DU troll.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:36 AM
Pay arrangement can be made later. There is an oath to preserve life that is taken. it's not like being a mechanic.


You have no idea how hospitals work do you? How they have been recouping their cost from those who can't pay. Ever wonder why you pay $100 for one aspen.

I've had plenty of experience with Hospitals and at least here in New York if you don't have insurance the Hospital will cover most of the Bill later under "Charity Care" Insurance. Where they get the money to provide Charity Care from, I don't know. But the hospitals I've been to were not private.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:37 AM
Someday if this little idiots mentors win out this country may be communist and this little puissant may be the one that has to go. He won't be so stoic then!:rolleyes:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:38 AM
Oh yeah. You're a centrist and a moderate. Uh huh. And Rupal is really a woman. Get lost you DU troll.

Wouldn't a DU troll want the government to cover her 100% no matter what and be decrying this move as horrible too?
Never had an account at DU and only visited there once or twice. Was pretty boring. Mostly Obama and LBJ worship.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:42 AM
Wouldn't a DU troll want the government to cover her 100% no matter what and be decrying this move as horrible too?
Never had an account at DU and only visited there once or twice. Was pretty boring. Mostly Obama and LBJ worship.

I think your basically what you say you are other than moderate. Your a little 19 year old fool that couldn't feed himself without mommy , daddy and the government. Your meal ticket will be ending soon little slave boy. Somebody will have to pay this new debt thats being racked up.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:45 AM
Oh yeah. You're a centrist and a moderate. Uh huh. And Rupal is really a woman. Get lost you DU troll.


I think your basically what you say you are other than moderate. Your a little 19 year old fool that couldn't feed himself without mommy , daddy and the government. Your meal ticket will be ending soon little slave boy. Somebody will have to pay this new debt thats being racked up.

You're the one who is advocating Hospitals to treat people without payment.
I didn't support the HCR reform,and felt our system was fine the way it was, Mr. Tractor.
I think your sarcasm meter isn't working.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:47 AM
You're the one who is advocating Hospitals to treat people without payment.
I didn't support the HCR reform,and felt our system was fine the way it was, Mr. Tractor.
I think your sarcasm meter isn't working.
Whatever junior. None of us believe anything you say anyway!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:49 AM
Whatever junior. None of us believe anything you say anyway!

Well, you may want to talk to a psychiatrist about your paranoia.

Apocalypse
04-11-2010, 12:49 AM
I've had plenty of experience with Hospitals and at least here in New York if you don't have insurance the Hospital will cover most of the Bill later under "Charity Care" Insurance. Where they get the money to provide Charity Care from, I don't know. But the hospitals I've been to were not private.

Around here, we have a mix. Both private and other.

And they all operate the same. Some charity, some government, rest by soaking those who do have insurance.

On a side note, man the people of my county sure are tickled pink with Obamacare. The whole county has one Hospital for 6000 people. Its a small county hospital, treats mostly general injuries. More serious get stabilized and shipped off to ether Dubuque 40 min away, or trauma to Iowa City 1.5 hours away. Our counties one and only doc. that delivers babies will be retiring next week, stating that he refuses to continue under obamacare rules. So any ladies who are in labor, must drive 40 min to Mercy in Dubuque to have their babies now since we will no longer have a doctor qualified to deliver them any longer. And as small as our county is, its next to impossible to get doctors to want to practice here at all, as pay else where is much higher then here. We are also losing a dentist, and word is another 2-3 may quit by end of year as well. That almost wipes out any health care in our area.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 12:54 AM
Whatever junior. None of us believe anything you say anyway!


Around here, we have a mix. Both private and other.

And they all operate the same. Some charity, some government, rest by soaking those who do have insurance.

On a side note, man the people of my county sure are tickled pink with Obamacare. The whole county has one Hospital for 6000 people. Its a small county hospital, treats mostly general injuries. More serious get stabilized and shipped off to ether Dubuque 40 min away, or trauma to Iowa City 1.5 hours away. Our counties one and only doc. that delivers babies will be retiring next week, stating that he refuses to continue under obamacare rules. So any ladies who are in labor, must drive 40 min to Mercy in Dubuque to have their babies now since we will no longer have a doctor qualified to deliver them any longer. And as small as our county is, its next to impossible to get doctors to want to practice here at all, as pay else where is much higher then here. We are also losing a dentist, and word is another 2-3 may quit by end of year as well. That almost wipes out any health care in our area.

Boy do they do the soaking. I happened to need a hospital while I didn't have insurance and even with the Charity Care the bills were in the thousands--and that was with 60% covered, and no surgeries or even any major procedures done.

Most of the doctors I know are Republican, but I don't speak to them on politics as per the old unspoken rule about religion and politics.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 12:59 AM
Boy do they do the soaking. I happened to need a hospital while I didn't have insurance and even with the Charity Care the bills were in the thousands--and that was with 60% covered, and no surgeries or even any major procedures done.

Most of the doctors I know are Republican, but I don't speak to them on politics as per the old unspoken rule about religion and politics.
You will like the new group of doctors, it will be just like Canada, they are mostly from the middle east, they are the only ones that will work for the low wages.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:01 AM
You will like the new group of doctors, it will be just like Canada, they are mostly from the middle east, they are the only ones that will work for the low wages.

Not really I won't, no. I mean unless they are nice Middle Eastern people like those at the corner Deli.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 01:03 AM
Not really I won't, no. I mean unless they are nice Middle Eastern people like those at the corner Deli.
They are all nice, the religion of peace you know. None of those hate mongering racist Republicans!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:05 AM
They are all nice, the religion of peace you know. None of those hate mongering racist Republicans!

Of course. I mean look at all those mean Republicans strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up the local bus station. Ted Haggard did that just last week, he was interested in the whole 72 virgins idea.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 01:07 AM
Of course. I mean look at all those mean Republicans strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up the local bus station. Ted Haggard did that just last week, he was interested in the whole 72 virgins idea.
Close but we prefer 36 woman with experience on how to please a man!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:10 AM
They are all nice, the religion of peace you know. None of those hate mongering racist Republicans!


Close but we prefer 36 woman with experience on how to please a man!

I'd prefer 100 women with 36DD's ranging in age between 18 and 33, but that's neither here nor there.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 01:13 AM
I'd prefer 100 women with 36DD's ranging in age between 18 and 33, but that's neither here nor there.

Okay that's a plus for you, at least you want woman. There may be some hope!

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:14 AM
Okay that's a plus for you, at least you want woman. There may be some hope!

As my mother says, "When there's life, there's hope."
But yeah, I like women. Attractive and decent ones, preferably.
I could never get the whole gay thing. Men are too ugly and hairy and sweaty for my liking, I don't understand how women want us.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 01:16 AM
As my mother says, "When there's life, there's hope."
But yeah, I like women. Attractive and decent ones, preferably.
I could never get the whole gay thing. Men are too ugly and hairy and sweaty for my liking, I don't understand how women want us.
Who else could they torment?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:18 AM
Okay that's a plus for you, at least you want woman. There may be some hope!


Who else could they torment?

Other women. Lesbian relationships aren't all they're cracked up to be in porn movies. I know some lesbians, they complain as much as any other woman.

Sonnabend
04-11-2010, 01:28 AM
So you're saying a hospital should be forced against it's will to treat people who won't be able to pay? Essentially working for no pay..Involuntary servitude. I think the 13th amendment has something to say about that.

And with that, whatever credibility you had left, went bye bye.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:29 AM
And with that, whatever credibility you had left, went bye bye.

I am truly sad that I have no credibility in the eyes of someone on the internet.

Sonnabend
04-11-2010, 03:34 AM
I am truly sad that I have no credibility in the eyes of someone on the internet.

:rolleyes:

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 04:00 AM
And with that, whatever credibility you had left, went bye bye.


:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: right back at ya.

FlaGator
04-11-2010, 07:42 AM
So the Hippocratic Oath is more important the Constitution? I don't remember that being anywhere in the Constitution.
In the meantime, till payment is made, the physicians, nurses, etc are working for no pay.


Apples and oranges. The hippocratic oath, if it is still taken by doctors, obligates them to do no harm and has no relation to the Constitution. It is a pattern of behavior that doctors agree to by taking the oath. To break the oath, even if the Constitution or some other law required them to would indicate a lack of loyalty and character.

By not rendering aid that they are capable of rendering violates the oath and specifically causing harm to a patient by an act of omission.

FlaGator
04-11-2010, 08:02 AM
She signed the SS Disability agreement. Maybe she should've read the fine print or researched it before she signed. After all, personal responsibility, right?

So you are saying that personal responsibility negates any requirement for ethical behavior on part of the government?

If one of your older relatives came to you for advice because they were in the same situation would you tell them that it is their fault that they will now die because they didn't exercise personal responsibility in reading the fine print on a document that they agreed to many months or years before? That they should have realized that the government was setting them up to make a mistake based on their need for more income and had using their human nature against them so the government could save a few dollars and they had better get use to the fact they the cancer would now kill them?

djones520
04-11-2010, 08:10 AM
So you are saying that personal responsibility negates any requirement for ethical behavior on part of the government?

If one of your older relatives came to you for advice because they were in the same situation would you tell them that it is their fault that they will now die because they didn't exercise personal responsibility in reading the fine print on a document that they agreed to many months or years before? That they should have realized that the government was setting them up to make a mistake based on their need for more income and had using their human nature against them so the government could save a few dollars and they had better get use to the fact they the cancer would now kill them?

No, he's not saying that at all. He's just trying to parrot a meme that he thinks we espouse. :rolleyes:

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 08:33 AM
This woman is in a bind because of the way the existing Medicare and Medicaid laws are written. Medicaid is a needs based program. That is why the household income matters in her case.

If she is receiving Social Security Disability she will be eligible for Medicare 29 months after the onset of her disability. That does her no good right now. Since Medicaid is her only option until the waiting period for Medicare expires, this woman is in a dreadful circumstance of being determined to be disabled and yet have no insurance to cover badly needed treatment.

This has been the practice for a long time and has nothing to do with the new health insurance legislation. It happens to a lot of people. If the woman was covered under private insurance (and she may not have been) she would have had the option to continue benefits under COBRA if she could afford the premiums. Those premiums can be very high and many people cannot afford to pay them and pay their other bills.

And no, this woman should not be denied this life saving treatment.

PoliCon
04-11-2010, 09:23 AM
This woman is in a bind because of the way the existing Medicare and Medicaid laws are written. Medicaid is a needs based program. That is why the household income matters in her case.

If she is receiving Social Security Disability she will be eligible for Medicare 29 months after the onset of her disability. That does her no good right now. Since Medicaid is her only option until the waiting period for Medicare expires, this woman is in a dreadful circumstance of being determined to be disabled and yet have no insurance to cover badly needed treatment.

This has been the practice for a long time and has nothing to do with the new health insurance legislation. It happens to a lot of people. If the woman was covered under private insurance (and she may not have been) she would have had the option to continue benefits under COBRA if she could afford the premiums. Those premiums can be very high and many people cannot afford to pay them and pay their other bills.

And no, this woman should not be denied this life saving treatment.

The problem is that the system is run by bureaucrats. The UNDEAD have more heart, thought, and compassion than do bureaucrats - and OBAMACARE is only going to increase their control and influence in our day to day lives.

Apocalypse
04-11-2010, 01:02 PM
Thing I find funny, dumbass keeps trying to pin the blame on the Hospital for not treating her. But seems to be missing the fact that the Government run insurance provider dumped her to begin with and were refusing to pay for her treatment.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 01:04 PM
Thing I find funny, dumbass keeps trying to pin the blame on the Hospital for not treating her. But seems to be missing the fact that the Government run insurance provider dumped her to begin with and were refusing to pay for her treatment.

I only said anything about Hospitals refusing treatment because another member brought it up.
As to the ''government run insurance provider dumping her'', maybe she should've read the fine print or done some research before signing up for it. Again, she wasn't forced to get SS Disability; she was asked if she wanted it and she said yes.

FlaGator
04-11-2010, 01:44 PM
No, he's not saying that at all. He's just trying to parrot a meme that he thinks we espouse. :rolleyes:

I know, I just want him to she how foolish it makes him look to use that particular meme out of context.

FlaGator
04-11-2010, 01:45 PM
I only said anything about Hospitals refusing treatment because another member brought it up.
As to the ''government run insurance provider dumping her'', maybe she should've read the fine print or done some research before signing up for it. Again, she wasn't forced to get SS Disability; she was asked if she wanted it and she said yes.

Her only mistake was to assume that the government actually cared about what is in her best interest.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 02:53 PM
Thing I find funny, dumbass keeps trying to pin the blame on the Hospital for not treating her. But seems to be missing the fact that the Government run insurance provider dumped her to begin with and were refusing to pay for her treatment.


Her only mistake was to assume that the government actually cared about what is in her best interest.

Nah, her only mistake was not reading into what she was getting into. I know people on SS Disability and they like it and haven't been fucked up.

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 04:12 PM
The problem is that the system is run by bureaucrats. The UNDEAD have more heart, thought, and compassion than do bureaucrats - and OBAMACARE is only going to increase their control and influence in our day to day lives.

No, the problem is that she was, and is, in a circumstance that she evidently had no private insurance at all or she had it and lost it when she became unable to work.

The provisions of Medicaid are administered by bureaucrats but the particulars of who gets covered and the income limits for coverage are determined by the legislatures of the states within the framework of Medicaid. Medicaid eligibility requirements can vary from state to state but they all use income and resources as a part of the formula for determining who gets covered and who doesn't.

Unfortunately, the circumstance in which this woman finds herself is not unique. I feel for her and I also know that a lot of people have the same thing happen.

If the waiting period (5 months from onset and then 24 additional months) for Medicare were eliminated for people who are determined to be disabled that would help a lot of people who find themselves in her circumstance. I work with people who find themselves in exactly this situation and see a lot of very sick or severely injured workers to whom this happens. It is heartbreaking.

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 04:22 PM
Her only mistake was to assume that the government actually cared about what is in her best interest.

What government cares about in the circumstance of this woman or anyone else is determined precisely by the legislature of the state in which she lives.

Who gets covered under Medicaid is a political decision.

There are federal provisions for Medicaid but each state decides who gets covered and what the income limits are for different categories of recipients.

What would the reaction be in Florida if a bill were proposed in Tallahassee to raise the income limits to insure more people on Medicaid (including this woman)?

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 04:23 PM
Nah, her only mistake was not reading into what she was getting into. I know people on SS Disability and they like it and haven't been fucked up.

So, on the basis of this vast personal knowledge you've made your determination?

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 05:28 PM
So, on the basis of this vast personal knowledge you've made your determination?

Seeing as most of my family on both sides are older (50s+, my parents had me in their late 30s) many of them with physical disabilities, and I come from a large family, I don't really hear any of them complaining with regards to Social Security or Medicare; One of my sisters is on Medicaid, her and hers have no complaints.

One woman got screwed over. Why? Because she signed something without knowing exactly what it was. If I sign something, especiallly something medical (Very interested in medicine as a subject and with mostly RN's in my family I've gotten a lot of knowledge), I'm going to want to know the in's and out's of what I am signing and what potential impact it's going to have.

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 05:47 PM
Seeing as most of my family on both sides are older (50s+, my parents had me in their late 30s) many of them with physical disabilities, and I come from a large family, I don't really hear any of them complaining with regards to Social Security or Medicare; One of my sisters is on Medicaid, her and hers have no complaints.

One woman got screwed over. Why? Because she signed something without knowing exactly what it was. If I sign something, especiallly something medical (Very interested in medicine as a subject and with mostly RN's in my family I've gotten a lot of knowledge), I'm going to want to know the in's and out's of what I am signing and what potential impact it's going to have.

You seem to have a brain and some life experience. Good. I find your posts interesting.

Concerning this woman, the rules and regs for the Medicaid program can be very complex. Also, she is dealing with a whole load of shit that landed on her head. Being very physically ill is demanding enough in and of itself. Add to that the regular everyday costs of paying the rent and utilities and putting food on the table and the cost of gas going to and from the doctor and everything else she is dealing with I would expect that her Social Security Disability check and the auxilliary benefit for her child are spent pretty quickly and there are likely still many bills left to pay. Disability benefits are usually significantly less than the person earned while working and you go through whatever savings one might have pretty quickly.

The longer one lives the more that person sees of life and what can happen. Coulda and shoulda will always be there.

Sometimes a person just fucks up. It happens. There are already enough things in the world that can seriously kill you. This kind of situation shouldn't be one of them.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 07:11 PM
So, on the basis of this vast personal knowledge you've made your determination?


You seem to have a brain and some life experience. Good. I find your posts interesting.

Concerning this woman, the rules and regs for the Medicaid program can be very complex. Also, she is dealing with a whole load of shit that landed on her head. Being very physically ill is demanding enough in and of itself. Add to that the regular everyday costs of paying the rent and utilities and putting food on the table and the cost of gas going to and from the doctor and everything else she is dealing with I would expect that her Social Security Disability check and the auxilliary benefit for her child are spent pretty quickly and there are likely still many bills left to pay. Disability benefits are usually significantly less than the person earned while working and you go through whatever savings one might have pretty quickly.

The longer one lives the more that person sees of life and what can happen. Coulda and shoulda will always be there.

Sometimes a person just fucks up. It happens. There are already enough things in the world that can seriously kill you. This kind of situation shouldn't be one of them.

Thank you

I understand, and perhaps she was overwhelmed with everything else going on. My mother is very ill, so I can relate. She doesn't have cancer (as far as I know, though cancer can be a side effect of her condition), but still--there are some days where she mostly sleeps and is occasionally forgetful--Which is unusual for a woman her age (55), as she never drank or used any kind of drug nor is there a history of dementia or anything in the family. She has late stage Hepatitis C and acquired it on the job (She was an actively working Nurse from 1975 through 1996 and in her last years on the job was on the IV team--her team specialized in setting up a patient's IV line). She still is a registered Nurse and has saved many lives, including some within my family.

Around 1990/1991 or so a jaundiced, combative woman presented in and none of her co-workers helped to restrain her and when my mother placed the needle into the woman's arm, the woman resisted and became even more combative and the needle went from her arm into my mother's arm. At the time Hepatits C wasn't really well known even in her hospital and they gave her a shot of something I forget the name which only protected against Hepatitis B.

She didn't realize she had it until 2004 (the disease silently damages the liver over years) and they gave her I think a 48 week treatment of Intereferon+Peg as well as ribravirin; a cocktail similar in effect to chemotherapy which not only had all the effects of chemo but also significantly reduced her immunity--Her immunity was such that if she caught a cold she could die; the treatment mimicked the effects of HIV on the immune system. It also lowers the blood platelet level significantly, which allows for what normally would be minor injuries to become potentially fatal or damaging. The treatment normally lowers the viral load--or amount of the active virus in the body--to a minimum and in some cases even makes the viral load negligible meaning the patient is essentially cured--but when she started the course of Intereferon (it was a year long course) her viral count was I think around 50,000. After 48 weeks, her viral load was 5 million. The treatment actually made the disease progress stronger and faster, as it turned out the strain of the virus she had was auto-immune.

Meanwhile while she was on the treatment, my mother worked--first taking care of an elderly women at her home and then at my high school as a receptionist--But has greatly slowed down. She's toyed with going back into work, as she enjoyed it over retirement, but knows physically and mentally she can't. Her job was a very depressing one (one of her first assignments involved the treatment of a dying infant) but she enjoyed it as she had many friends in the field, and practically grew up working with them. However, slowly all of her friends either retired or moved to other Hospitals and thus the one thing that made the job enjoyable--a friendly, almost familial atmosphere--was gone, and it was then that my mother left, besides the fact she had back troubles and a heart condition, she also wanted to spend more time with me (I was 6 at the time.) She noticed a great change from when she first started working in '75 to when she quit in '96--it had become much more business-like, much more colder, and greatly disconnected from the purpose of the job--taking care of people. It became more a business than a service.

She's now in the cirrhotic stage of Hep C, and depending on one's own body this stage either be relatively rapid--and fatal--or slow and eventually fatal but meanwhile debilitating. The disease can also cause liver cancer to develop but I haven't broached the subject with her.

We've been trying to get her on a transplant list but she's depressed and has kind of resigned herself to her fate, for numerous reasons; Besides the transplant lists are long and based on priority--they are based on who they feel will live the longest with a transplant. As my mother has other pre-existing conditions (Heart valve issues amongst other things) she'd probably be low on the list. They're also very expensive--I think around 50k or so.

It's kind of sad and ironic--A neighbor of ours was a very bad alcoholic and her liver was cirrhotic because of it. She had a lot of money and also I think got a loan from my deceased aunt (who was rich) and got the transplant. What did she do after getting the transplant and a second chance? Began drinking again.
Same with my father. He might've gotten the Hepatits from the job (He was an RN too) or from years of alcoholism. His form was not auto-immune and thus much more treatable, and he was diagnosed not long after exposure in '96, and he did the Interferon treatment from '96 to '97 and by now his viral load is not even detectable on blood tests--he's cured. What does he do? Cries about how He'll die, how sick he is, and drinks and abuses prescription medications, knowing they make him act aggressive and sometimes violent and knowing my mother is very ill and it only makes her sicker from the stress. Been this way progressively since 1998.

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 07:38 PM
Thank you

I understand, and perhaps she was overwhelmed with everything else going on. My mother is very ill, so I can relate. She doesn't have cancer (as far as I know, though cancer can be a side effect of her condition), but still--there are some days where she mostly sleeps and is occasionally forgetful--Which is unusual for a woman her age (55), as she never drank or used any kind of drug nor is there a history of dementia or anything in the family. She has late stage Hepatitis C and acquired it on the job (She was an active Nurse from 1975 through 1996 and in her last years on the job was on the IV team--her team specialized in setting up a patient's IV line)

Around 1991 or so a jaundiced, combative woman presented in and none of her co-workers helped to restrain her and when my mother placed the needle into the woman's arm, the woman resisted and became even more combative and the needle went from her arm into my mother's arm. At the time Hepatits C wasn't really well known even in her hospital and they gave her a shot of something I forget the name which only protected against Hepatitis B.

She didn't realize she had it until 2004 (the disease silently damages the liver over years) and they gave her a year's treatment of Intereferon+Peg as well as ribravirin; a cocktail similar in effect to chemotherapy which not only had all the effects of chemo but also significantly reduced her immunity--Her immunity was such that if she caught a cold she could die; the treatment mimicked the effects of HIV on the immune system. It also lowers the blood platelet level significantly, which allows for what normally would be minor injuries to become potentially fatal or damaging. The treatment normally lowers the viral load--or amount of the active virus in the body--to a minimum and in some cases even makes the viral load negligible meaning the patient is essentially cured--but when she started the course of Intereferon (it was a year long course) her viral count was I think around 50,000. The year later, it was 5 million. The treatment actually made the disease progress stronger and faster, as it turned out the strain of the virus she had was auto-immune.

She's now in the cirrhotic stage of Hep C, and depending on one's own body this stage either be relatively rapid--and fatal--or slow and eventually fatal but meanwhile debilitating. The disease can also cause liver cancer to develop but I haven't broached the subject with her.

We've been trying to get her on a transplant list but she's depressed and has kind of resigned herself to her fate, for numerous reasons; Besides the transplant lists are long and based on priority--they are based on who they feel will live the longest with a transplant. As my mother has other pre-existing conditions (Heart valve issues amongst other things) she'd probably be low on the list. They're also very expensive--I think around 50k or so.

It's kind of sad and ironic--A neighbor of ours was a very bad alcoholic and her liver was cirrhotic because of it. She had a lot of money and also I think got a loan from my deceased aunt (who was rich) and got the transplant. What did she do after getting the transplant and a second chance? Began drinking again.

Sorry about your Mom. My thoughts and prayers are with her and your family.

Social Security Disability is a program that helps a lot of people. I don't begrudge the recipients a thing because it is a benefit that is paid for by payroll taxes and most people have paid in and earned it.

I have worked with aged and disabled people for over 19 years and have seen, pretty much on a daily basis, people who were working and going about life and all of a sudden the world falls on them. Thing is, I know tomorrow it could just as easily be me.

I work hard to help them any way I can within the system we have right now. I'm glad for the ones who get help. I am sad for the ones who don't.

I don't know how to do any better than that. If I figure it out I'll have an announcement. :D

Thanks for sharing your story. You keep posting there. And don't be afraid to lighten up a little. A forum like this is by its nature combative. But combative isn't all it is.

I wish your family and you well.

Peace.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 07:47 PM
Sorry about your Mom. My thoughts and prayers are with her and your family.

Social Security Disability is a program that helps a lot of people. I don't begrudge the recipients a thing because it is a benefit that is paid for by payroll taxes and most people have paid in and earned it.

I have worked with aged and disabled people for over 19 years and have seen, pretty much on a daily basis, people who were working and going about life and all of a sudden the world falls on them. Thing is, I know tomorrow it could just as easily be me.

I work hard to help them any way I can within the system we have right now. I'm glad for the ones who get help. I am sad for the ones who don't.

I don't know how to do any better than that. If I figure it out I'll have an announcement. :D

Thanks for sharing your story. You keep posting there. And don't be afraid to lighten up a little. A forum like this is by its nature combative. But combative isn't all it is.

I wish your family and you well.

Peace.

Thank you. You seem like a very kind sort. I liked when I worked as a teacher's assistant with blind children--they were Kindergarteners, and they were, despite their disability some of the most sweetest, most optimistic kids I've ever met. It's nice to work with those who are worse off than you are, as not only does it help them but I think it helps you to appreciate your comparatively better circumstances all the more.

And my mom collects SS Disability, has for a while. It has helped her, and while some would decry it as socialist, I think she earned it--She spent 21 years saving lives and helping people with little in the end to show for it.

And I will. I like it here, despite the sometimes argumentative or combative atmosphere. But arguing and debating with those whom you disagree with is (for me) the fun. It beats sitting in an echo chamber.

FlaGator
04-11-2010, 07:54 PM
Nah, her only mistake was not reading into what she was getting into. I know people on SS Disability and they like it and haven't been fucked up.

Her issue isn't personal responsibility or lack there of. It is failure to use due diligence in handling her affairs. That is why your original post on this topic was in error. I have issues with the incorrect use of terminology. It is the leading cause of misunderstandings.

Rockntractor
04-11-2010, 07:55 PM
Thank you. You seem like a very kind sort.
He is government man, he seems nice but he is collecting information on you an will swoop in with a spandex cape and cut off all your families benefits!:eek:

MrsSmith
04-11-2010, 08:37 PM
Hey, she signed that agreement, she got what she wanted. Personal responsibility.

I know this thread has gone way beyond this, but I'd like to point out that a woman receiving Medicaid and now Social Security is WAY past the point of personal responsibility. She is a government ward already.


Well, it's better than the Republican policy of allowing one to die slowly in the streets because they 'chose' to be poor, right?
Actually, the basic Republican policy is to let charities handle charity cases. Private charities are far more efficient that the government...as aptly demonstrated in this boondoggle...and they get the job done with far less overhead and waste.


So you're saying a hospital should be forced against it's will to treat people who won't be able to pay? Essentially working for no pay..Involuntary servitude. I think the 13th amendment has something to say about that.

Until the government (again) made the stupid rules that apply to not-for-profit hospitals, the majority of hospitals already had plans for charity patients. Most hospitals were Christian owned and had always cared for the poor...just as most doctors took little or no payment from the poor, something else the lovely government screwed up.



Everything our government runs, with the possible exception of the military, is run in an idiotic manner. You should really run for office. With your obvious inability to grasp the main problem, you'd be perfect at writing stupid rules.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-11-2010, 08:57 PM
Sorry about your Mom. My thoughts and prayers are with her and your family.

Social Security Disability is a program that helps a lot of people. I don't begrudge the recipients a thing because it is a benefit that is paid for by payroll taxes and most people have paid in and earned it.

I have worked with aged and disabled people for over 19 years and have seen, pretty much on a daily basis, people who were working and going about life and all of a sudden the world falls on them. Thing is, I know tomorrow it could just as easily be me.

I work hard to help them any way I can within the system we have right now. I'm glad for the ones who get help. I am sad for the ones who don't.

I don't know how to do any better than that. If I figure it out I'll have an announcement. :D

Thanks for sharing your story. You keep posting there. And don't be afraid to lighten up a little. A forum like this is by its nature combative. But combative isn't all it is.

I wish your family and you well.

Peace.


I know this thread has gone way beyond this, but I'd like to point out that a woman receiving Medicaid and now Social Security is WAY past the point of personal responsibility. She is a government ward already.


Actually, the basic Republican policy is to let charities handle charity cases. Private charities are far more efficient that the government...as aptly demonstrated in this boondoggle...and they get the job done with far less overhead and waste.



Until the government (again) made the stupid rules that apply to not-for-profit hospitals, the majority of hospitals already had plans for charity patients. Most hospitals were Christian owned and had always cared for the poor...just as most doctors took little or no payment from the poor, something else the lovely government screwed up.



Everything our government runs, with the possible exception of the military, is run in an idiotic manner. You should really run for office. With your obvious inability to grasp the main problem, you'd be perfect at writing stupid rules.

Nah...I'm a pragmatist, and would be if I was in office.
While ideology I lean toward the left, for the good of the country a turn to the right would be best. A nice slash of the federal budget in different areas. I'd try to cut spending. My main goal would be to reduce the national debt greatly, or at the very least, lay the groundwork for the eventual reduction of the national debt by about 50%.. We'll never be a debt free nation, and even when we started off we were in debt, but the level we're at now is crazy.
I'd also like to restore American infrastructure so that Americans were producing things again. I'd like America to once again become a large exporter rather than importer--Have more "Made in America." products. I'd also love to encourage small businesses---Big Business should be encouraged as well, but I've always personally had a love for small ''Mom and Pop'' establishments in many areas of business; Encouraging small business and making it more profitable and easy to create or maintain one also would inspire independence and ambitiousness--I'd love to vastly cut taxes on small businesses, with smaller but still nicely sized cuts on big business taxes, while reducing spending except in key areas. One area of ''big government'' I'd love to retain is the Space Program. The program is not only a symbol of national pride and achievement but also holds the keys to the ''next frontier''--space, the moon, etc.
Also, I'm for limited drilling offshore...I think a mixture of offshore drilling and searching for a new source of energy--one we could somehow monopolize as our own the same way the Saudis and others have had a virtual vice grip on the control of oil. America needs new kinds of businesses, we need something or some area in which we could once again grab the world by the balls. Right now Oil has US and the world in general by the balls; we should try to move away from that.

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 09:20 PM
Thank you. You seem like a very kind sort. I liked when I worked as a teacher's assistant with blind children--they were Kindergarteners, and they were, despite their disability some of the most sweetest, most optimistic kids I've ever met. It's nice to work with those who are worse off than you are, as not only does it help them but I think it helps you to appreciate your comparatively better circumstances all the more.

And my mom collects SS Disability, has for a while. It has helped her, and while some would decry it as socialist, I think she earned it--She spent 21 years saving lives and helping people with little in the end to show for it.

And I will. I like it here, despite the sometimes argumentative or combative atmosphere. But arguing and debating with those whom you disagree with is (for me) the fun. It beats sitting in an echo chamber.

Combat is fun. Enjoy. ;)

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 09:22 PM
He is government man, he seems nice but he is collecting information on you an will swoop in with a spandex cape and cut off all your families benefits!:eek:

Hey, I AM nice. And just because I happen to know what you are wearing at this very moment, doesn't mean I am spying on you. :mad:

By the way, nice bathrobe. ;):D

Bubba Dawg
04-11-2010, 09:31 PM
I know this thread has gone way beyond this, but I'd like to point out that a woman receiving Medicaid and now Social Security is WAY past the point of personal responsibility. She is a government ward already.


Actually, the basic Republican policy is to let charities handle charity cases. Private charities are far more efficient that the government...as aptly demonstrated in this boondoggle...and they get the job done with far less overhead and waste.



Until the government (again) made the stupid rules that apply to not-for-profit hospitals, the majority of hospitals already had plans for charity patients. Most hospitals were Christian owned and had always cared for the poor...just as most doctors took little or no payment from the poor, something else the lovely government screwed up.



Everything our government runs, with the possible exception of the military, is run in an idiotic manner. You should really run for office. With your obvious inability to grasp the main problem, you'd be perfect at writing stupid rules.

What rules are you referring to that the government made that applied to charity hospitals that cause this problem?

FlaGator
04-12-2010, 06:35 AM
I know this thread has gone way beyond this, but I'd like to point out that a woman receiving Medicaid and now Social Security is WAY past the point of personal responsibility. She is a government ward already.

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Please explain to me how accepting assistance when it is needed is an abdication of personal responsibility? Speak to this specific case and not something hypothetical. I curious as to your reasoning that using help to pay for the treatment of a medical condition that is above the ability the person to pay is relinquishing personal responsibility?

Sonnabend
04-12-2010, 08:46 AM
Nah...I'm a pragmatist, and would be if I was in office.

As long as you weren't the Secretary for Education..God help us all. :rolleyes:

noonwitch
04-12-2010, 01:43 PM
The decision made to drop her was made in March. It didn't give an exact date, but regardless, it was made under policies that were in place long before the Health Care Reform Bill.


Medicaid has always dropped people when their income exceeded the maximum. That's not because of a bill that was passed less than a month ago.