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OwlMBA
08-05-2008, 11:35 PM
I saw the saddest sight on Sunday. My family and I were out to eat at a local restaurant and seated by the window. I watched a very elderly couple (probably in their 90s) struggle to walk to their car in the parking lot. The wife was especially struggling and her husband gingerly escorted her the entire way to their car. They had a handicapped parking sticker but (as is common in the rural area I live) the handicapped spots were all full. Why? Because we have a high population of obese people, and many of them use handicapped parking passes.

Sure enough, not 5 minutes later I watched a morbidly obese woman probably in her 20s walk to her car with her husband in the very first parking place. After watching the elderly couple struggle to reach their car I was furious to watch an obese lady barely out of her teens taking up a handicapped spot. Had it been a disabled veteran that struggled to his car at the expense of an obese person I probably would have lost it.

A few minutes after that I watched another family, perhaps in their 30s with kids, walk to their car in another handicapped spot. This family was the classic rural Ohio family - all obese. Both parents and the young kids (all under 10 yrs old probably) were morbidly obese. And they too enjoyed the handicapped parking sticker.

Am i the only one who thinks if ANYONE should be parking as far away from the building as possible, its the obese people? Its sad that the truly needy suffer so the obese can be lazy.

LibraryLady
08-05-2008, 11:40 PM
I have handicapped tags on my car because of multiple sclerosis. At times I can walk without a scooter or walker and people glare at me. If there is a close place, I will leave the HC spot for others. Usually by the time I leave the grocery or Walmart I am unable to walk more than a few feet.
Don't judge why someone has HC tags. You must have a doctor's permit to get them.

I have a ring that goes around my license plate and it says "I'll trade you my MS for this HC parking permit"

OwlMBA
08-05-2008, 11:43 PM
I have handicapped tags on my car because of multiple sclerosis. At times I can walk without a scooter or walker and people glare at me. If there is a close place, I will leave the HC spot for others. Usually by the time I leave the grocery or Walmart I am unable to walk more than a few feet.
Don't judge why someone has HC tags. You must have a doctor's permit to get them.

I have a ring that goes around my license plate and it says "I'll trade you my MS for this HC parking permit"

MS certainly qualifies.

But believe me, people get tags for no other reason than being obese. Happens all the time. Some doctors wont do it, but many will.

Doctors can use any obesity-related reason to justify the tag (diabetes, high blood pressure, "pain", etc etc)

nacho
08-06-2008, 11:29 AM
What's your obsession with fatness? Do you have an eating disorder or something? Teased as a fat kid?

Rebel Yell
08-06-2008, 11:45 AM
Not just no, but hell fuck no. Their fat asses need to park in the farthest away space in the lot. LL, you have a legit reason for a HC tag. Let them look all they want to, you know your justified. One of my wife's friends has been diagnosed with MS. She's already having spells where she can't see out of one eye.


Anyway, needing a doctor to say you need the tag don't mean much. I've seen people here get disabilty for asthma, but they can keep spitting out kids every year or so. You just have to know the right doctor to ask. HC tags are like disabilty checks, the one's need them had rather not have them and those that don't need them are proud of them.

FlaGator
08-06-2008, 11:54 AM
What's your obsession with fatness? Do you have an eating disorder or something? Teased as a fat kid?

It offsets his obsession with black people.:p

hampshirebrit
08-06-2008, 11:56 AM
Not just no, but hell fuck no. Their fat asses need to park in the farthest away space in the lot.

Damn right.

Make the fat gits walk ... that way they might actually lose some weight.

lacarnut
08-06-2008, 12:00 PM
I had to force my dad who was in his 80's at the time to get a handicap parking lic. because my mother had a stroke and she had to use a walker. My dad had his leg cut off when he was a boy and never considered himself handicap. My parents sitter was specifically told NOT to park in a handicap spot when she went to the grocery store without my mother.

It is not the fat people that tick me off, it's the young asshole who is using someone else's car that parks in a handicap zone. On quite a few occasions, I have come close to asking them if their handicap was mental or physical. I would like to see the police write tickets for those who are using a car that is not theirs. So, from my perspective, it's not the fatties, it's the young able body's that piss me off.

noonwitch
08-06-2008, 12:06 PM
Not for obesity alone. If someone has a condition as a result of their obesity, it's a different matter. I don't want to see young, otherwise healthy, fat people getting the permits-that might take away the only exercise he or she gets!

I'm one of those people who hate driving around until I find a spot close to the door, so I usually walk a bit from my car to the mall entrance. It's good for me.

My grandpa had a handicapped tag when grandma was alive and still living with him. If he went somewhere without her, he took down the tag and parked in a regular spot. I have a friend who would borrow her dad's car, and she always took advantage of his tag to park in a handicapped spot. I used to give her a very hard time about it.

ConJinx
08-06-2008, 12:09 PM
I look at fat or"Obese" people as an untapped energy source. Let them have the HC plates, as a somewhat handicapped person myself I would encourage them to get heavier. Then, when they are, what I call "Jabba'd" we suck all the fat from their bodies and utilize it as a source of "bio-fuel". It's carbon neutral, and truly an unlimited source of energy to take us proudly through the 21st century. Totally win win. People will no longer view fatties with disdain, but encourage their Patriotism and hard work for the energy independence of our great nation.

LogansPapa
08-06-2008, 12:19 PM
The best is the parking structure across from my gym, down town. Near fist fights over spots closest to the gym’s front door, every morning. Pathetic. Four stories and I park on the roof - just to get the extra exercise from the stairs.

SaintLouieWoman
08-06-2008, 01:16 PM
What's your obsession with fatness? Do you have an eating disorder or something? Teased as a fat kid?
It's one of his common themes, whenever he returns. Who knows?

Sometimes those handicapped parking passes are given without a whole bunch of justification, but many times family members use those tags when they shouldn't. One woman I knew was bent out of shape because she got a ticket for using a handicapped space with her mother's tag. She deserved the ticket.

Sometimes it's just better to try a bit harder not to be so judgemental.

Elspeth
08-06-2008, 01:29 PM
Your poll is interesting, but I think it leaves out some issues. If a person is just overweight, especially if they are young, the answer is no, there shouldn't be a legal right. But many overweight people have complications like arthritic knees and chronic back problems. It is possible, especially if these folks are over 40, that I could see handicapped spaces.

Goldwater
08-06-2008, 01:37 PM
The long walk from a regular space will do them good if it doesn't kill them.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 01:38 PM
What I cant stand are the people I see in the grocery store buying things like beef jerky and bottled water with food stamps!

and they are fucking fat as HELL!

oh and I have somthing to tell any porkers out there.
Unless you have a gland problem you are fat because you eat too much and dont get any exercise.
Here I will give you a tip. When you are at the local Walmart buying beef jerky and cheese poofs with your food stamps, try walking instead of using the "free" electric cart.

lacarnut
08-06-2008, 01:44 PM
It's one of his common themes, whenever he returns. Who knows?

Sometimes it's just better to try a bit harder not to be so judgemental.

Yep. Reminds me of the lyrics of an old country & western song. "It's hard to be humble when you are perfect in so many ways."

linda22003
08-06-2008, 02:03 PM
What I cant stand are the people I see in the grocery store buying things like beef jerky and bottled water with food stamps!

and they are fucking fat as HELL!



I can understand the beef jerky being a problem, but how is the bottled water contributing? :confused:

lacarnut
08-06-2008, 02:11 PM
I can understand the beef jerky being a problem, but how is the bottled water contributing? :confused:


Bottled water (designer water)==== money, money, money with food stamps

linda22003
08-06-2008, 02:14 PM
His comment "and they are fucking fat as HELL!" indicates it's their size that annoys him, not what they're using the food stamps for. I wouldn't be judgmental about bottled water; you don't know how potable theirs is.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 02:45 PM
His comment "and they are fucking fat as HELL!" indicates it's their size that annoys him, not what they're using the food stamps for. I wouldn't be judgmental about bottled water; you don't know how potable theirs is.

I usually see cases of evian and the like.
If thats the case they should be buying the .50 per gallon jugs......

linda22003
08-06-2008, 02:47 PM
Well, be glad it's not Coca-Cola.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 02:48 PM
Well, be glad it's not Coca-Cola.

I wish it were, coke costs less then evian.....

linda22003
08-06-2008, 02:50 PM
Then you'd be on them about being fat and drinking sugared drinks. I've never been aware of anyone at the checkout using food stamps. Either I don't recognize them, or I'm too busy wrangling my own groceries and minding my own business.

Gingersnap
08-06-2008, 02:56 PM
I voted "no". I had to think about it because as Noonwitch pointed out, some of these fat people also have fat-related problems that make it difficult to move.

Ultimately, my vote takes into consideration the fact that people generally need both incentives and disincentives to change behavior. Making it easier to be really fat by providing closer parking or those little scooters is a step in the wrong direction. It should be harder to be fat. Understand that I'm talking about real obesity here, not having a middle-aged paunch or flabby thighs.

It's worth noting that all really huge people have a set of willing enablers. Someone has to get and cook all that food and perform ordinary tasks like laundry and cleaning. If those "helpers" had refused to help right in the beginning, maybe the person would have been forced to keep their weight down to a point where they could still perform the activities of daily living.

So, make 'em walk.

LibraryLady
08-06-2008, 02:57 PM
In Louisiana they use a card that looks like a credit or ATM card.Very discrete except the checker has to separate a few items. (cigarettes and booze?)
Sadly, their food choices are usually very poorly made. For some reason they always seem to have the packs of individual chips for school lunches (get a bulk pack and some zip-locs!), cuts of meat that make me pause, cases of soda, I could go on and on.

I am fortunate and have never had food stamps, is there any type of advice given? Seems they could help them make their dollar (OUR dollar) go a lot farther.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 02:58 PM
Then you'd be on them about being fat and drinking sugared drinks. I've never been aware of anyone at the checkout using food stamps. Either I don't recognize them, or I'm too busy wrangling my own groceries and minding my own business.

Used to be a checkout guy so I saw it all.

At least with WIC they have to buy real food.

Its wrong to buy bottled water with food stamps let alone half the other fake food I have seen food stamp people buy.

Now dont get me wrong, there are people out there that use them right. I have seen them. They clip coupons to make their food stamps go farther but I would have to say that 90 - 95% of the people I have seen first hand using food stamps shouldnt have them.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 02:59 PM
I voted "no". I had to think about it because as Noonwitch pointed out, some of these fat people also have fat-related problems that make it difficult to move.

Ultimately, my vote takes into consideration the fact that people generally need both incentives and disincentives to change behavior. Making it easier to be really fat by providing closer parking or those little scooters is a step in the wrong direction. It should be harder to be fat. Understand that I'm talking about real obesity here, not having a middle-aged paunch or flabby thighs.

It's worth noting that all really huge people have a set of willing enablers. Someone has to get and cook all that food and perform ordinary tasks like laundry and cleaning. If those "helpers" had refused to help right in the beginning, maybe the person would have been forced to keep their weight down to a point where they could still perform the activities of daily living.

So, make 'em walk.

here here! :)

Zafod
08-06-2008, 03:01 PM
In Louisiana they use a card that looks like a credit or ATM card.Very discrete except the checker has to separate a few items. (cigarettes and booze?)
Sadly, their food choices are usually very poorly made. For some reason they always seem to have the packs of individual chips for school lunches (get a bulk pack and some zip-locs!), cuts of meat that make me pause, cases of soda, I could go on and on.

I am fortunate and have never had food stamps, is there any type of advice given? Seems they could help them make their dollar (OUR dollar) go a lot farther.

I have seen more ribs bought by food stamp people then with real money....

linda22003
08-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Chalk it up to just one more way that some people can't cope with life very well. I work with an enormous woman who's diabetic, and I'd love to say something when she has big hunks of cake at office parties and then complains that she's Not Well. People who buy a lot of processed foods - whether they're on food stamps or not - do themselves no favors. I'm one of those people who takes seriously the advice to shop around the perimeter of the market, and not down most of the aisles.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 03:17 PM
I'm one of those people who takes seriously the advice to shop around the perimeter of the market, and not down most of the aisles.

I am the same way.

I eat 5 cups of chopped fruit every day.
I consume 240 grams of lean protein per day and over 95% of my carbs are from natural sources like veggies and fruit.


I only eat bread or baked goods once a week and have beer once a week.

I also bike 10 miles per day.

I feel fantastic.

Shannon
08-06-2008, 03:33 PM
I am the same way.

I eat 5 cups of chopped fruit every day.
I consume 240 grams of lean protein per day and over 95% of my carbs are from natural sources like veggies and fruit.


I only eat bread or baked goods once a week and have beer once a week.

I also bike 10 miles per day.

I feel fantastic.

You are a freak of nature.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 03:39 PM
You are a freak of nature.

Its a lot easier then you think

lacarnut
08-06-2008, 04:42 PM
His comment "and they are fucking fat as HELL!" indicates it's their size that annoys him, not what they're using the food stamps for. I wouldn't be judgmental about bottled water; you don't know how potable theirs is.

It's both; learn how to read.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 06:44 PM
so anyway I agree with owl. Fat people should not get handicap spots

LibraryLady
08-06-2008, 06:44 PM
Its a lot easier then you think

How about smoking?:rolleyes:

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:12 PM
How about smoking?:rolleyes:

I dont smoke cigs anymore.

I have a pipe or a cigar every now and then but I have not had a cigarette since 03/21/2006

Shannon
08-06-2008, 07:13 PM
so anyway I agree with owl. Fat people should not get handicap spots

Fat people should be shot on sight.


Wait, forget that. Fat people exist to boost my self esteem.:p

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:15 PM
Fat people should be shot on sight.


Wait, forget that. Fat people exist to boost my self esteem.:p

hahahahahahaha you and me both hon.

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:15 PM
How about smoking?:rolleyes:

Interesting... should a smoker, on oxygen, be allowed a handicapped spot?
Should we only give handicapped spots to folks who could have prevented their handicap? I cannot imagine how that could be enforced. If the stores are running out of handicapped spaces, maybe they should make more of them.

No skin off my back. I always park nearest to a "cart corral", yet furtherest from the entrance. I do not mind walking a block to get to the entrance.

Soooo many health issues could be prevented/improved with healthy eating, living, etc.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:19 PM
Interesting... should a smoker, on oxygen, be allowed a handicapped spot?


No. .

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:20 PM
hahahahahahaha you and me both hon.

When did you start your "anti fat" crusade?. I demand that anybody who is this anti fat... posts RECENT pics. Or even pics from a year ago, before they started the new diet. Face down pics are acceptable! ahem.. ginger, and shannon.

Shannon
08-06-2008, 07:22 PM
When did you start your "anti fat" crusade?. I demand that anybody who is this anti fat... posts RECENT pics. Or even pics from a year ago, before they started the new diet. Face down pics are acceptable! ahem.. ginger, and shannon.

Did you just call me fat?

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:25 PM
Did you just call me fat?
I'm not sure... post a pic with your face blotted out. I might have called ginger, and Zaf fat.... I demand to see how skinny ya'all are. You can't keep touting it without proof. Hey.. just do a google on "skinny people", post it, and I would probably accept the pic as the gospel.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:25 PM
When did you start your "anti fat" crusade?. I demand that anybody who is this anti fat... posts RECENT pics. Or even pics from a year ago, before they started the new diet. Face down pics are acceptable! ahem.. ginger, and shannon.

I didnt start any crusade. :confused:

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:27 PM
I'm not sure... post a pic with your face blotted out. I might have called ginger, and Zaf fat.... I demand to see how skinny ya'all are. You can't keep touting it without proof. Hey.. just do a google on "skinny people", post it, and I would probably accept the pic as the gospel.

I dont care what you call me. I didnt start any crusade. I feel people being morbidly overwieght does not qualify them for handicap status.

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:28 PM
I didnt start any crusade. :confused: I dont remember you being on the bandwagon against chubby people. And your diet!!! omg! You are so disciplined in your eating, and exercise. I never remembered you mentioning it before, which is why I thought it might be a recent thing. Of course I could be wrong.... when did you start the whole regime? No smoking either? Good on you!

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:30 PM
I dont care what you call me. I didnt start any crusade. I feel people being morbidly overwieght does not qualify them for handicap status.

How about smokers who bring on their handicap from smoking? On oxygen, barely able to walk... should they have the parking spaces?

I am playing devils advocate. I would not want to be the person who decides who gets those handicap tags. edited to say... my first reaction is that fat people should not get them. But if I was in charge, I would have a hard time distinguishing that group from other groups who chose poorly, and caused their disabilities.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:33 PM
I dont remember you being on the bandwagon against chubby people. And your diet!!! omg! You are so disciplined in your eating, and exercise. I never remembered you mentioning it before, which is why I thought it might be a recent thing. Of course I could be wrong.... when did you start the whole regime? No smoking either? Good on you!

When I got discharged I had time to look at how I was eating and the lack of activity in my life. That was after I stopped moping around the house and realized I had packed on about 20 + pounds of blubber.

Been trying to eat healthy for a little while now and the hardest thing was making sure my last meal was consumed before 6pm every night so I can give myself 4 hours before I go to bed to start digestion.

I still have a cheat day and thats Saturday and man do I cheat. ;)

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:35 PM
How about smokers who bring on their handicap from smoking? On oxygen, barely able to walk... should they have the parking spaces?

I am playing devils advocate. I would not want to be the person who decides who gets those handicap tags. edited to say... my first reaction is that fat people should not get them. But if I was in charge, I would have a hard time distinguishing that group from other groups who chose poorly, and caused their disabilities.

I dont know how to deligate that either but I guess I just wish more people would be honest.
I packed on flab because of poor diet and no activity.

Now I have burned it off and want to get to that next level.

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:36 PM
When I got discharged I had time to look at how I was eating and the lack of activity in my life. That was after I stopped moping around the house and realized I had packed on about 20 + pounds of blubber.

Been trying to eat healthy for a little while now and the hardest thing was making sure my last meal was consumed before 6pm every night so I can give myself 4 hours before I go to bed to start digestion.

I still have a cheat day and thats Saturday and man do I cheat. ;)
I edited my post.. I am jealous at how disciplined you are!! Good for you!!

I cannot imagine being in charge of handicapped tickets, and trying to decide who qualifies.

I think the system works okay, with allowing a Dr. to recommend them. Maybe they should be renewed yearly, to prevent abuse.

Troll
08-06-2008, 07:38 PM
Short answer: no.

Longer answer, if they are disabled and fat, go ahead. But I'm afraid that may be the exception, not the rule. I'd be interested to see some investigative reporting done, focus being doctors that give out handicapped stickers for the sole reason of obesity.

I've known quite a few fat people in my life, and most of them don't have much trouble getting around, so I have rather limited sympathy for "obesity" as some kind of disability. In fact, if you are in your 20s or 30s, I file that more under "personal choice" than "disability". Not trying to be judgmental, but I've seen people in their 60s lose a ton just by cutting their flour and sugar intake.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 07:41 PM
I edited my post.. I am jealous at how disciplined you are!! Good for you!!

I cannot imagine being in charge of handicapped tickets, and trying to decide who qualifies.

I think the system works okay, with allowing a Dr. to recommend them. Maybe they should be renewed yearly, to prevent abuse.

Just have to think this "being thin and trim feels better then the taste of any food known to man"

Thats what I do to pump myself up.

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:43 PM
Owl, so you are against a morbidly obese person having the handicapped spot, because they likely could have prevented their condition?

How do you feel about other folks who could have prevented their condition? Attempted suicide that leaves somebody handicapped? How about an overdose that leaves somebody in the care of someone else? A drunk driver who hurts nobody, but is in an accident that has them in a wheelchair... All of those could have been prevented, as well as the obese person who cannot support their weight. Where would you draw the line?

Me... I would just follow the Drs advice, and if I owned the grocery store, or restaurant, I would have LOTS of handicapped parking spaces for obese. It would be good for business.

Jumpy
08-06-2008, 07:44 PM
Just have to think this "being thin and trim feels better then the taste of any food known to man"

Thats what I do to pump myself up.

I think... "how would that look on my ass and thighs..that is where it always goes." GRRRRRRR!!!!!

OwlMBA
08-06-2008, 08:32 PM
You are a freak of nature.

That is impressive, but he is not a freak. I exercise 5-6 days a week, eat zero trans fat and less than 5 grams of saturated fat per day. i consume approximately 2000 calories per day, the vast majority of which comes in the form of lean protein and low-fat/non-fat dairy. The only carbs I eat are from vegetables or 100% whole grains.

SaintLouieWoman
08-06-2008, 08:45 PM
How about smokers who bring on their handicap from smoking? On oxygen, barely able to walk... should they have the parking spaces?

I am playing devils advocate. I would not want to be the person who decides who gets those handicap tags. edited to say... my first reaction is that fat people should not get them. But if I was in charge, I would have a hard time distinguishing that group from other groups who chose poorly, and caused their disabilities.

I think that too many here are being judgemental. Since when are we God?I agree with your devil's advocate remarks.

I've seen two women at work gain a substantial amount of weight after undergoing long courses of chemo. A woman who had volunteered at the zoo with me had diabetes and a number of other problems. At first she lost weight, then started other meds and blew up like a balloon. She had to walk with a big staff when she took kids on tours of the zoo. Bless her heart, she fought til the end. She died in her late 40's.

Who among us would tell her that she didn't deserve a handicapped parking sticker because she was overweight?

I find some of these threads disturbing. Are we going to pick a group of the week to ridicule? A little compassion goes a long way.

lacarnut
08-06-2008, 09:20 PM
I think that too many here are being judgemental. Since when are we God?I agree with your devil's advocate remarks.

I've seen two women at work gain a substantial amount of weight after undergoing long courses of chemo. A woman who had volunteered at the zoo with me had diabetes and a number of other problems. At first she lost weight, then started other meds and blew up like a balloon. She had to walk with a big staff when she took kids on tours of the zoo. Bless her heart, she fought til the end. She died in her late 40's.

Who among us would tell her that she didn't deserve a handicapped parking sticker because she was overweight?

I find some of these threads disturbing. Are we going to pick a group of the week to ridicule? A little compassion goes a long way.

Here is a song Mac Davis recorded that describes all the perfect people in the world.

Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble when you're perfect in every way.
I can't wait to look in the mirror cause I get better looking every day.
To know me is to love me. I must be a hell of a man.
Oh Lord, it's hard to be humble, but I am doing the best that I can.

Gingersnap
08-06-2008, 09:53 PM
For those think that some are judgmental, we very rapidly approaching a point where all diseases that are not congenital will be traced to lifestyle one way or another and we will all be equally guilty of whatever diseases or conditions we have.

People point to smokers or porkers now but believe me, with universal health care and rationing we will all be in the same boat as far as the gate-keepers are concerned. You didn't exercise enough or do the right kind of exercise, you didn't get outside enough or you did it too much, you didn't eat enough fruit or the right kind of fat or enough fiber, you read too much or you played too hard or you were around animals or not around animals enough, you didn't sleep enough or slept too much, etc.

We are rapidly becoming a very judgmental society, indeed. Sadly, it won't stop at simple common sense issues like weight, monogamy, and drug/alcohol use - it will get every single one of us eventually. There are no more accidents of fate for the bureaucrats.