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Gingersnap
06-04-2008, 02:38 PM
Pfleger is apartment hunting
SUN-TIMES EXCLUSIVE | Deflated Pfleger says he doesn't know what's next for him

June 4, 2008Recommend (14)

BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Columnist
For rent. The last time Mike Pfleger searched the classifieds for an apartment, he was a 20-something-year-old seminarian who hadn't yet taken a vow to obey his bishop.

This morning, Pfleger, the 59-year-old pastor of St. Sabina Roman Catholic Church, plans to move out of the rectory he has called home for 33 years and into an apartment in the surrounding Auburn-Gresham neighborhood.

That, Pfleger says, is up to Cardinal Francis George, who on Tuesday ordered the oft-disobedient priest to take a temporary leave -- a kind of ecclesiastical timeout -- to think about what he'd done.

What Pfleger did was mouth off about Hillary Clinton, lampooning her public tears on the campaign trail and accusing her (and a lot of other white folks) of demonstrating "white entitlement" in the face of the success of her younger, less-experienced black opponent, Barack Obama, during a lengthy sermon on racism at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, where, until last weekend, Obama and his family were members.

He basically lost his mind during that episode. The defense that he wouldn't have done it if he'd known it would be broadcast is just pathetic. That's like saying I wouldn't steal a car if I thought I'd get caught but otherwise, sure I'd steal it. :rolleyes:

Sun Times (http://www.suntimes.com/news/falsani/986648,CST-EDT-FALS04.article)

Fergus
06-08-2008, 12:32 AM
When I saw the clip my first thought was, "whats his DUmmy name?"

Clearly he's a self loathing white boy and has found a home in the black community. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but wouldn't it be a good idea to preach something positive once in awhile.

I'm guessing the Vatican wishes he won't come back.

Lanie
06-08-2008, 09:47 PM
That was pure politics IMO. That wasn't right.

Bubba Dawg
06-08-2008, 09:52 PM
5 will get you 10 that he becomes an Episcopal Priest.

(i'm an Episcopalian so I can say that.)

We don't have enough to deal with already. :rolleyes:

megimoo
06-08-2008, 10:15 PM
When I saw the clip my first thought was, "whats his DUmmy name?"

Clearly he's a self loathing white boy and has found a home in the black community. Nothing wrong with that, I suppose, but wouldn't it be a good idea to preach something positive once in awhile.

I'm guessing the Vatican wishes he won't come back.
He should have had brains enough to avoid the trap of voicing his political opinion in public.These people are suppose to be intelligent ministers preaching Christ Crucified and he is deluded if he thinks that average non catholic person would value his opinion.

The church has spoken many times on priests being involved in the American political process and he sure knows better.Several elected Jesuits have given up political office after a papal edict published against its priests holding one!

A pastor at fifty nine should be a mature parish administrator and wise in the ways of the world due to the many people he has dealt with and all of the confessions he has heard.

The temptation to speak in political public forums must offer him some great allure to be that stupid !

BSR
06-08-2008, 10:21 PM
That was pure politics IMO. That wasn't right.

The man threw his Christian beliefs to the wind and mocked Clinton for the sole purpose of mocking. That isn't politics, that's the Church giving him some time to reflect on his UN-Christian actions.

megimoo
06-08-2008, 10:25 PM
5 will get you 10 that he becomes an Episcopal Priest.

(i'm an Episcopalian so I can say that.)

We don't have enough to deal with already. :rolleyes:No, they usually go the other way,Episcopalian to Catholic !They will either send him to some isolated spot in Alaska or to Rome for a job in The Roman Curia sorting old papal letters .
The Roman Catholic Church demands obedience in doctrinal matters by its priests and he will have to decide if he will obey his oaths as a Catholic Priests or not .

CLibertarian
06-09-2008, 01:26 AM
No, they usually go the other way,Episcopalian to Catholic !They will either send him to some isolated spot in Alaska or to Rome for a job in The Roman Curia sorting old papal letters .
The Roman Catholic Church demands obedience in doctrinal matters by its priests and he will have to decide if he will obey his oaths as a Catholic Priests or not .

But, they simply reassign pedophile priests?

LibraryLady
06-09-2008, 08:40 AM
UNBELIEVABLE!


Rev. Pfleger to return to St. Sabina with 'no restrictions'
He'll be back at St. Sabina, but he has to stay out of presidential politics


The South Side parish of St. Sabina exploded with shouts of joy and a standing ovation Sunday morning at the news firebrand Catholic pastor Rev. Michael Pfleger would be returning June 16.

Lymore said parish leaders were told by Cardinal George that Pfleger will continue as pastor of the church he has led for 30 years with "no restrictions" -- other than not being able to mention publicly the names of presidential candidates or campaign for them.

http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/995461,CST-NWS-priest09.article

Lanie
06-09-2008, 08:43 AM
The man threw his Christian beliefs to the wind and mocked Clinton for the sole purpose of mocking. That isn't politics, that's the Church giving him some time to reflect on his UN-Christian actions.

I agree that he needed a smackdown, maybe to be told he needed to publically apologize. But honestly, do you think he would have gotten told to leave if it wasn't a politician? I can think of more offensive stuff.

Lanie
06-09-2008, 08:45 AM
But, they simply reassign pedophile priests?

I have to be honest and admit that pops into my head on this one.

BSR
06-09-2008, 12:29 PM
I agree that he needed a smackdown, maybe to be told he needed to publically apologize. But honestly, do you think he would have gotten told to leave if it wasn't a politician? I can think of more offensive stuff.


He is being put on time out to think about his actions. He isnt being banned from the Church. I think the only reason you are hearing about it is because it made national news. Im sure priests have been given a time out before.

BSR
06-09-2008, 12:31 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!


Rev. Pfleger to return to St. Sabina with 'no restrictions'
He'll be back at St. Sabina, but he has to stay out of presidential politics




http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/995461,CST-NWS-priest09.article


Apparently he isnt even getting a time out.

ralph wiggum
06-09-2008, 12:33 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!


Rev. Pfleger to return to St. Sabina with 'no restrictions'
He'll be back at St. Sabina, but he has to stay out of presidential politics




http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/995461,CST-NWS-priest09.article

He may stay out of presidential politics, but I can guarantee he'll still be politically active. He loves to be in the spotlight in Chicago, kind of like a more famous "preacher" in the area.

Rebel Yell
06-09-2008, 12:35 PM
Apparently he isnt even getting a time out.

Now he'll have to go back to bashing the white race as a whole. I saw this fool when the Rev. Wright stuff came out, guess who he was defending. He said that Wright was spot on with his message. I just wandered why this Catholic preist is preaching like a black baptist.

Lanie
06-09-2008, 04:56 PM
Now he'll have to go back to bashing the white race as a whole. I saw this fool when the Rev. Wright stuff came out, guess who he was defending. He said that Wright was spot on with his message. I just wandered why this Catholic preist is preaching like a black baptist.

I listened to Wright's contraversal sermons. I do think some of the things he said went too far (particularly the war on Iraq stuff), but a lot of the other stuff he said was actually on the money. The white race have been barbaric. For centuries, they have persecuted Indians, blacks, and others. Today, we particularly go to war with countries full of brown people. It's also been argued that the US holds those other countries to standards they would never do themselves. While the President says this is not about racism, we hear Americans at home saying racist stuff toward Arabs like crazy. (ex. Let's nuke them. They're all evil). Makes people wonder if we're really any less barbaric as a race than yesterday. My main criticism would be that blacks don't have a right to talk because I saw them supporting certain wars right beside whites.

So with the exception of the troop bashing, I'm not sure if what Wright said was all that wrong. If you have a lot of people supporting him, there's a reason. I think that reason should be asked about instead of just condemned.

Elspeth
06-09-2008, 10:52 PM
UNBELIEVABLE!


Rev. Pfleger to return to St. Sabina with 'no restrictions'
He'll be back at St. Sabina, but he has to stay out of presidential politics




http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/religion/995461,CST-NWS-priest09.article

Maybe they just couldn't find any other parish that wanted to take him? :confused:

Penguins Fan
06-10-2008, 09:12 PM
What is clear here is that Cardinal Francis George doesn't have the backbone to discipline Pfleger.

Pfleger has long been a radical activist. He has a huge following in his Chicago parish - this is rare in any city parish in the Catholic Church in the US. I've read that they way he celebrates the Mass is questionable at best and he takes liberties with it.

Supposedly, Pfleger has been reassigned to other parishes in the past and has refused to go - saying that if he were removed from St. Sabina Parish he would set up his own church and take the parishoners with him.

Now, if Pfleger were a priest who wanted to celebrate the Traditional Mass in Latin, any one of most of the American bishops would probably have run his ass out of town.

As for the priest abuse scandal - I think it's worse than the media reported, and I'm not taking potshots. I go to Mass nearly every day and go to Confession regularly. These men who did these things were not pedophiles - they went after teenaged boys, not children.
They never had any business being in the priesthood, but because the bishops, collectively, dropped the ball, unqualified men were ordained. A man with same sex attraction has no business ever being in a seminary - such a place is a near occasion of sin for him.