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NJCardFan
04-25-2010, 05:37 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g2uBJukh_pUWx9mqMMJKoy7qFVKQD9F8ESI00
This is the prime reason why hate crime legislation is a farce. Now, it's a given that this lawyer was a chucklehead but unless he is guilty of taking someone elses life or someone is acting in self defense, his idiotic views do not warrant being murdered. Be that as it may, he was murdered by a black man. On top of stabbing him, his house was set on fire. Had the roles been reversed and, say, Malik Zulu Shabazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Zulu_Shabazz) was murdered by a white person, there would be no hesitation that it would be a hate crime. This is why this foolishness is going to be the death of society as we know it. White people may be in the majority in this country but we are in the extreme minority when it comes to equal protection.

CaughtintheMiddle1990
04-25-2010, 05:38 PM
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5g2uBJukh_pUWx9mqMMJKoy7qFVKQD9F8ESI00
This is the prime reason why hate crime legislation is a farce. Now, it's a given that this lawyer was a chucklehead but unless he is guilty of taking someone elses life or someone is acting in self defense, his idiotic views do not warrant being murdered. Be that as it may, he was murdered by a black man. On top of stabbing him, his house was set on fire. Had the roles been reversed and, say, Malik Zulu Shabazz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malik_Zulu_Shabazz) was murdered by a white person, there would be no hesitation that it would be a hate crime. This is why this foolishness is going to be the death of society as we know it. White people may be in the majority in this country but we are in the extreme minority when it comes to equal protection.

If this had been reversed the media would be all over it.

wilbur
04-25-2010, 05:47 PM
I don't think there has ever actually been a state crime that got upgraded to a federal hate crime.

Wei Wu Wei
04-25-2010, 06:03 PM
Despite your post-graduate education at Comedy Central and your PhD in South Park, a hate crime is not defined simply as violence against a minority.

Wei Wu Wei
04-25-2010, 06:11 PM
To be more specific, according to US law, it's not a hate crime to murder someone who has certain views on race, it's a hate crime to muder someone because of their racial identity.

It's not a hate crime to murder someone because they support gay-rights, or because they oppose gay-rights, but it is a hate crime to murder someone because they are a gay person.

While people object that it's wrong to increase penalties for crimes based on their motives, that's nothing new, in fact that's the entire idea behind "crimes of passion" and the differences between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree murder (aka manslaughter)

NJCardFan
04-25-2010, 06:23 PM
I don't think there has ever actually been a state crime that got upgraded to a federal hate crime.

Um, Mississippi (http://mississippicriminaldefenseblog.com/2010/04/22/hate-crimes-in-mississippi/) has their own hate crime laws, genius.

wilbur
04-25-2010, 06:44 PM
Um, Mississippi (http://mississippicriminaldefenseblog.com/2010/04/22/hate-crimes-in-mississippi/) has their own hate crime laws, genius.

I figured, but the hate crime rules vary from state to state - so perhaps you can go investigate what Mississippi's specific statutes say, and report back to us.

Thanks.

Constitutionally Speaking
04-25-2010, 07:49 PM
To be more specific, according to US law, it's not a hate crime to murder someone who has certain views on race, it's a hate crime to muder someone because of their racial identity.

It's not a hate crime to murder someone because they support gay-rights, or because they oppose gay-rights, but it is a hate crime to murder someone because they are a gay person.

While people object that it's wrong to increase penalties for crimes based on their motives, that's nothing new, in fact that's the entire idea behind "crimes of passion" and the differences between 1st, 2nd, and 3rd degree murder (aka manslaughter)

And you are madam Cleo?????

Rockntractor
04-25-2010, 08:09 PM
Despite your post-graduate education at Comedy Central and your PhD in South Park, a hate crime is not defined simply as violence against a minority.

Stupid little bastard, your barely old enough to grow pubic hair and your lecturing everyone. Go have a juice box or something!:rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
04-25-2010, 08:28 PM
And you are madam Cleo?????

No one is, that's why like all court matters, intention (as in the case of 1st, 2nd, or 3rd degree murder and "crimes of passion"), as well as "unintentional manslaughter" and insanity pleas must be proven beyond reasonable doubt, like every issue in front of a jury.

NJCardFan
04-25-2010, 08:30 PM
So, what you 2 nimrods are saying is that if the roles were reversed, that a white person killing a black activist that it wouldn't be prosecuted as a hate crime? Um, OK. Perhaps either one of you might want to point out a case to me that was a black on white crime like this that was prosecuted as a hate crime. And Wilbur, I provided a link to Mississippi's hate crime law. Perhaps get off of your lazy elitist ass and click on it you wanker.

Elspeth
04-26-2010, 03:53 PM
Um, Mississippi (http://mississippicriminaldefenseblog.com/2010/04/22/hate-crimes-in-mississippi/) has their own hate crime laws, genius.

Thanks for the link to Mississippi law. Wish people would actually click on links to facts instead of running their mouths.

noonwitch
04-26-2010, 04:07 PM
It might not be considered a hate crime yet because they are still waiting for the autopsy results. A good prosecutor wants to line all his ducks up in a row, and make sure the evidence fits the charge. Or, if he's got a good murder one case, why bother with the hate crime charge? It's not like you can execute him for murder, then make him serve 3 more years for the hate crime.

NJCardFan
04-26-2010, 08:28 PM
It might not be considered a hate crime yet because they are still waiting for the autopsy results. A good prosecutor wants to line all his ducks up in a row, and make sure the evidence fits the charge. Or, if he's got a good murder one case, why bother with the hate crime charge? It's not like you can execute him for murder, then make him serve 3 more years for the hate crime.
However, if he gets hit with a manslaughter charge, it's the hate crime laws that give him a longer sentence. Like I keep asking, if the roles were reversed, would this even be a question?

noonwitch
04-27-2010, 11:12 AM
However, if he gets hit with a manslaughter charge, it's the hate crime laws that give him a longer sentence. Like I keep asking, if the roles were reversed, would this even be a question?



He stabbed the guy to death, then set his house on fire. I don't think manslaughter is a likely charge here. Murder one. The fire clinches it, because it is clearly an effort to cover up the crime.

In Michigan, I'm not even sure if there are hate crimes on the books and how they are applied. You have a point, though, that hate crime laws are not applied to cases where black criminals attack white victims and use hateful speech while doing so. I've said before that I generally oppose hate crime laws, except when it comes to things like graffiti and similar misdemeanors, because there is a difference in intent between painting a swastika on a jewish family's garage door and carving "John loves Marsha" on a tree. Although, if a black person wrote "Die, honky, die" on a white person's door, that would also be a hate crime in my perfect vision of justice.