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biccat
08-06-2008, 04:21 PM
Hollywood megastar to host fundraiser for Obama (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/05/hollywood-megastar-to-host-fundraiser-for-obama/)

(CNN)—Academy award winning actor George Clooney is set to host a fundraiser for Barack Obama in Switzerland next month.

The event, taking place on the evening of September 2 in Geneva, Switzerland will be split into two parts: a reception and a dinner. According to Obama’s National Finance Committee, tickets for the reception where Clooney will speak are going for $1,000, followed by a dinner at the home of NFC member Charles Adams for $10,000 a plate. Space for the dinner is limited to 75 guests.

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Hollywood supporting a Democrat? Color me shocked.

No word yet on how Cloony expects to avoid the ban on political contributions by foreign nationals (http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml).

Zafod
08-06-2008, 05:20 PM
Hollywood megastar to host fundraiser for Obama (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/05/hollywood-megastar-to-host-fundraiser-for-obama/)

(CNN)—Academy award winning actor George Clooney is set to host a fundraiser for Barack Obama in Switzerland next month.

The event, taking place on the evening of September 2 in Geneva, Switzerland will be split into two parts: a reception and a dinner. According to Obama’s National Finance Committee, tickets for the reception where Clooney will speak are going for $1,000, followed by a dinner at the home of NFC member Charles Adams for $10,000 a plate. Space for the dinner is limited to 75 guests.

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Hollywood supporting a Democrat? Color me shocked.

No word yet on how Cloony expects to avoid the ban on political contributions by foreign nationals (http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/foreign.shtml).

Geneva, Switzerland?

Why not here in the US?

submarinepainter
08-06-2008, 08:27 PM
Clooney is an ok actor but is loony tunes politically

Eyelids
08-06-2008, 08:42 PM
Umm George Clooney is a U.S. citizen.

Zathras
08-06-2008, 08:51 PM
Umm George Clooney is a U.S. citizen.

That's not the question. He can do whatever he wants for the candidate he's supporting. Why have the fund raiser in a foreign country that has no bearing on our election? There is nowhere here in the states where he could have this?

Sonnabend
08-06-2008, 08:56 PM
Umm George Clooney is a U.S. citizen.

..the people who live in Switzerland..arent.So the question is again..is he taking campaign contributions from non US citizens?

Eyelids
08-06-2008, 09:03 PM
..the people who live in Switzerland..arent.So the question is again..is he taking campaign contributions from non US citizens?

You really shouldn't be speaking on this matter...

As for George, he can do it wherever the hell he wants? Why do you (not directed towards Sonnabend) care so much?

Nubs
08-06-2008, 09:14 PM
Eyelids,

It appears Sonna knows more about US election laws than you. It is illegal to accept contributions from foreign nationals. This can be circumvented by bundling, as Bill Clinton taught us and Jamie Gorelich hekped cover up and whose consequence led to other things.

Eyelids
08-06-2008, 09:14 PM
George Clooney isn't a foriegn national... are you all retarded here?

asdf2231
08-06-2008, 09:22 PM
George Clooney isn't a foriegn national... are you all retarded here?

:rolleyes:
Pick on Moo some more for spelling errors spastard.

Zathras
08-06-2008, 09:26 PM
George Clooney isn't a foriegn national... are you all retarded here?

The retarded one here is you Blinky. The question that Sonna has is, by having the fundraiser in a foreign country, are any of the people who will be attending non-Americans? If so, then those funds are illegal.

Sonnabend
08-06-2008, 11:03 PM
You really shouldn't be speaking on this matter...

..and why is this?


As for George, he can do it wherever the hell he wants? Why do you (not directed towards Sonnabend) care so much?

I should be asking why you care so little. But I forgot, you're Eyelids, you were dropped on your head at birth.

Frequently.

Zafod
08-06-2008, 11:13 PM
..and why is this?



I should be asking why you care so little. But I forgot, you're Eyelids, you were dropped on your head at birth.

Frequently.

http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/lead-toys-lol-retard.jpg

Eyelids
08-07-2008, 12:59 AM
..and why is this?
Because you dont fucking live here?


I should be asking why you care so little. But I forgot, you're Eyelids, you were dropped on your head at birth.

Frequently.
About what some celebrity does to raise money? In a country that I dont even belong to with an official who I have no say in electing?

Sonnabend, get the fuck out with your stupid bullshit.

Zafod
08-07-2008, 01:59 AM
again the point is why have the fucking thing in any country but the US?

Eyelids
08-07-2008, 02:31 AM
again the point is why have the fucking thing in any country but the US?

Because the tabloid press in America probably hound these people every second so in order to get away from it they leave the country.

Sonnabend
08-07-2008, 05:23 AM
Because you dont fucking live here?

Ah, I see...so just because someone doesnt live in a country means they cant comment on anything to do with that country.....I take it all back, you're not stupid.

You're lobotomised.


About what some celebrity does to raise money? In a country that I dont even belong to with an official who I have no say in electing?

You still haven't answered the question.

How many of the people attending said dinner will be non-Americans..if so, is Clooney aware that whatever he raises will be illegal under US law?

Sonnabend
08-07-2008, 05:25 AM
Because the tabloid press in America probably hound these people every second so in order to get away from it they leave the country.

Wasnt Clooney one of the Hollyweird denizens who promised to leave the country if President Bush was re elected?

AmPat
08-07-2008, 11:03 AM
Wow, I thought eyegunk was a college student. Is this an example of what we can expect from our current crop of college students. The future of our country is in doubt.:eek:

lacarnut
08-07-2008, 11:39 AM
Wow, I thought eyegunk was a college student. Is this an example of what we can expect from our current crop of college students. The future of our country is in doubt.:eek:

One of his first lies was that he was a teacher. God forbid he goes into the teaching profession. He is too stupid to teach. His writing and comprehension skills are atrocious. On second thought, he will fit in nicely with the dumb ass union teachers in Chicago. Notice, I included whites in that gene pool. :)

LibraryLady
08-07-2008, 11:51 AM
Geneva, Switzerland?

Why not here in the US?


Not a big enough carbon footprint. They want everyone to have to take private jets.

Zafod
08-07-2008, 12:41 PM
Well Switzerland is a socialist country so it kinda makes sense.....

Zathras
08-07-2008, 12:48 PM
Because the tabloid press in America probably hound these people every second so in order to get away from it they leave the country.

It doesn't add up Blinky. Why would they want to get away from the press THAT'S ON THEIR SIDE!?!?!?!

noonwitch
08-07-2008, 01:27 PM
It doesn't add up Blinky. Why would they want to get away from the press THAT'S ON THEIR SIDE!?!?!?!

The tabloid press is only on their own side-they love to take anyone down, whatever their politics.


Not that I'm defending eyelids or George Clooney, but there is a difference between the tabloid press, which seems to enjoy hounding young, mentally unstable, pop stars until they crack and the NBC/ABC/CNN guys who do appear to be on Obama's side.


I still don't see that as a good reason to hold a political fundraiser for an american candidate in Switzerland.

Eyelids
08-07-2008, 03:41 PM
How many of the people attending said dinner will be non-Americans..if so, is Clooney aware that whatever he raises will be illegal under US law?
I'm not going to be at the dinner (I had other plans) so I have no idea who will be there, but I'm pretty sure they arent' freaking out about this like you are.

LibraryLady
08-07-2008, 03:45 PM
The Academy Award winning actor officially endorsed Obama early last year calling him a ‘rock star.’ Clooney compared him to the likes of John and Robert Kennedy saying, “Few people in my lifetime, that I’ve heard speak made me want to get up and do something,” but cautioned, “I don’t want to hurt him by saying that.”

Although next months fundraiser is taking place overseas, the campaign specified only U.S. Citizens with a passport will be allowed to contribute to the campaign.

http://patdollard.com/2008/08/george-clooney-to-host-hussein-fundraiser-in-switzerland/

Odysseus
08-07-2008, 04:09 PM
Because the tabloid press in America probably hound these people every second so in order to get away from it they leave the country.
Except that the only reason most of these clods go to these events is for the press exposure so that they can show what good little global citizens they are. They go whichever way they perceive the major players going in order to stay in their good graces. This isn't national politics, it's office politics.

I'm not going to be at the dinner (I had other plans) so I have no idea who will be there, but I'm pretty sure they arent' freaking out about this like you are.
The only one freaking out here is you. Try to stop cursing at the mods unless you enjoy being exiled.

http://patdollard.com/2008/08/george-clooney-to-host-hussein-fundraiser-in-switzerland/
This is arguably the worst possible way to do a fundraiser for a candidate who is perceived as elitist and out of touch. Holding a fundraiser in one of the most expensive venues in the world, where only the hyper-rich can play, and doing it in such a way that everyone's first thought is whether or not foreign nationals will skirt the rules and contribute. The only way that this could look worse for Obama is if Clooney included Robert Mugabe, Slobodan Milosevic and Paris Hilton as guest speakers.

Sonnabend
08-07-2008, 04:47 PM
The only way that this could look worse for Obama is if Clooney included Robert Mugabe, Slobodan Milosevic and Paris Hilton as guest speakers.

Mugabe is too busy trying to get his Chinese arms merchants to get him a seat in Beijing, Slobodan assumed room temperature some time ago, and Paris had to be present at the opening of a car door in California.

biccat
08-07-2008, 09:31 PM
the campaign specified only U.S. Citizens with a passport will be allowed to contribute to the campaign.
http://patdollard.com/2008/08/george-clooney-to-host-hussein-fundraiser-in-switzerland/

For some reason I don't believe it. The political donations from non-US Citizens will be quietly accepted.

Eyelids
08-07-2008, 10:07 PM
For some reason I don't believe it. The political donations from non-US Citizens will be quietly accepted.
You have absolutely nothing to back this up, at all.

LibraryLady
08-07-2008, 10:16 PM
You have absolutely nothing to back this up, at all.


You will eventually learn to keep your mouth SHUT. You are an ignorant little twit and unwilling to realize it.


The Federal Election Commission disclosed yesterday it has imposed a record-setting $719,000 in fines against participants in the 1996 Democratic Party fundraising scandals involving contributions from China, Korea and other foreign sources.
http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/fec.htm


Obama's donation website accepts illegal foreign contributions

Barack Obama's electronic contribution site (https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/abroadHP -- not hyperlinked for obvious reasons) accepts donations from countries like China, Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Somalia -- although someone had the sense to remove North Korea from the list. The donor is only required to click a check-box, which attests they are legally allowed to contribute.

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-donation-website-accepts-illegal.html


Obama's Anonymous Foreign Donors and Other Bizarre Illegal Activity
Ranging in value from 75 cents to $250 (well over the anonymous limit) there are 81 donations from all the world (and this is just in the document I have been analyzing)
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obamas-anonymou.html


. The scandal blossomed shortly thereafter with a Washington Post report detailing the Justice Department's discovery of a plan by the Red Chinese government "to direct contributions from foreign sources to the Democratic National Committee before the 1996 presidential campaign."

How many more do you want, there are MANY!!!

LibraryLady
08-07-2008, 10:57 PM
Where did he go?


http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c12/dtharman/Friends%20online/eye.gif

Elspeth
08-07-2008, 11:54 PM
There's a little too much Europe injected into this election. Obama goes to build support in Europe. Clooney holds a fundraiser in Europe. Why is Europe so crucial?

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 12:10 AM
There's a little too much Europe injected into this election. Obama goes to build support in Europe. Clooney holds a fundraiser in Europe. Why is Europe so crucial?

Because their currency is worth like twice as much as ours?

As for LibraryLady, one of sources is a Blogspot account. Guess what I can make for free and post nothing but false information on? Blogspot.

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 04:27 AM
You have absolutely nothing to back this up, at all.

Speaking of backing up, care to comment on your total lack of knowledge, especially when it comes to the prison colonies started in the US?

Why is it I know more of your history than you do?

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 04:42 AM
If you think insulting the U.S. is somehow going to insult me personally you're wrong. Oh snap Sonnabend, something happened 300 years ago that literally nobody fucking cares about.

You're a rock-and-roller Sonnabend....

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 04:51 AM
From this thread (http://www.conservativeunderground.com/forum505/showthread.php?p=28639#post28639)

These are your words.


Since when is Barack Obama President of the USA? Last I checked he is a candidate, and being a candidate his first job is to get elected. Do you have elections in Australia? Or is the old Prison Colony still being ruled by the warden?And my response is to remind you that 60,000 convicts were sent to the US.

If you are too stupid to check history books before opening your mouth and shoving both feet into it, that's your problem. The only insult here is your lack of intelligence.


Oh snap Sonnabend, something happened 300 years ago that literally nobody fucking cares aboutSo why mention it?


You're a rock-and-roller Sonnabend.... Nah, more a Dizzy G and Satchmo fan, Big Bands, Tin Pan Alley. Rock is okay but I'll take Oxygene any day.

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 04:55 AM
Check the history books? Sonnabend how many people care about a convict trasnfer in 1791? I'm actually kind of shocked you can find the information. It is useless and only serves you to legitimize Australia and buffer the old "prison colony" joke that for some reason you take dead serious.

And god I can only imagine what kind of shitty music a tight-assed staunch conservative anti-art blowhard listens to. If you ever had to listen to a Sonic Youth record you'd probably cry.

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 05:02 AM
Check the history books? Sonnabend how many people care about a convict trasnfer in 1791?

You did.


I'm actually kind of shocked you can find the information. It is useless and only serves you to legitimize Australia and buffer the old "prison colony" joke that for some reason you take dead serious.

Proves you're ignorant about your own history. I'll help you a little with an old proverb...if you do not wish a thing heard, do not say it.

Actually, in your case, saying less would make you appear more intelligent.


And god I can only imagine what kind of shitty music a tight-assed staunch conservative anti-art blowhard listens to. If you ever had to listen to a Sonic Youth record you'd probably cry.

I listen to a lot of music....my tastes vary.

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 05:06 AM
No I dont care, thats whole the fucking point. Do you want me to concede the prison colony joke battle over to you? Because I really couldn't care less either way. Ignorant about my own history blah blah blah... I didnt know about some prisoner transfer that happened in 1791, it's a shocker I ever passed a history class even in HS.

Oh and Sonnabend doesnt know who Sonic Youth are... haha whats it like being so out-of-touch?

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 05:11 AM
No I dont care, thats whole the fucking point. Do you want me to concede the prison colony joke battle over to you? Because I really couldn't care less either way. Ignorant about my own history blah blah blah... I didnt know about some prisoner transfer that happened in 1791, it's a shocker I ever passed a history class even in HS.

I can see that. Like I said, it's a crying shame you know so little.

Santayana...no one reads Santayana any more


Oh and Sonnabend doesnt know who Sonic Youth are... haha whats it like being so out-of-touch?

SY are 80's. Known about them for years....that particular year belonged to Harry Chapin.

LibraryLady
08-08-2008, 05:12 AM
You don't know how the nominating convention of your own party works. Who cares about Sonic Youth?


I suggested you study a little more before posting; you have been shown to be a fool repeatedly. I get more challenge discussing politics with my 12 year old neighbor. She has a better concept of American Government than you do.

You are way over your head here,blinky. You just look pitiful

Goodnight.

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 05:16 AM
SY are 80's. Known about them for years....that particular year belonged to Harry Chapin.

Ummm... Sonic Youth aren't really 80's considering Goo and Dirty came out in the early 90's, they've been doing the SYR project since 1997 and their last great record, Murray Street, came out in 2004.

This is the kind of shit you guys miss out on here, you guys couldn't identify one avant-garde rock band if your life depended on it. Thats sad.

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 05:18 AM
You don't know how the nominating convention of your own party works.]
When all others in the field concede I tend to assume the last one standing is the winner. In the unlikely scenario that John McCain wins the majority in November how would you respond if I said he wasnt really the president-elect until his inauguration?

You'd be pissed off, call it disrespectful and act like a general douchebag.

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 05:19 AM
Ummm... Sonic Youth aren't really 80's considering Goo and Dirty came out in the early 90's, they've been doing the SYR project since 1997 and their last great record, Murray Street, came out in 2004.

Thats when they started. A lot of music and a lot of water under the bridge between then and now
.

This is the kind of shit you guys miss out on here, you guys couldn't identify one avant-garde rock band if your life depended on it. Thats sad.

Which is relevant to this specific topic...how? Chapin was a balladeer and his music is celebrated even today, Satchmo and Dizzy the G are immortal.

Your "avant garde" falls flat on its face to the finesse and ease of Tommy Dorsey...that man had style.

Odysseus
08-08-2008, 05:22 AM
Ummm... Sonic Youth aren't really 80's considering Goo and Dirty came out in the early 90's, they've been doing the SYR project since 1997 and their last great record, Murray Street, came out in 2004.

This is the kind of shit you guys miss out on here, you guys couldn't identify one avant-garde rock band if your life depended on it. Thats sad.

No, what's sad is that you think that knowing about a trivial blip on the pop culture radar is of value, but you know next to nothing about your own nation's political process. You really have no concept of what is and is not important.

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 05:26 AM
I would hardly call Sonic Youth, the kings and queens of noise rock, a pop culture blip. And dont tell me I have no sense of whats important when you guys lose your marbles over George Clooney's fundraiser.

Can you guys even identify my avatar?

Oh and yeah, Sonic Youth did get started in 80's but Confusion is Sex is an OK record and while Daydream Nation is a bona-fide classic they made their mark in the ensuing years.

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 05:29 AM
I would hardly call Sonic Youth, the kings and queens of noise rock, a pop culture blip. And dont tell me I have no sense of whats important when you guys lose your marbles over George Clooney's fundraiser.

And as usual, you completely miss the entire point.


Can you guys even identify my avatar?

D.I.L.L.I.G.A.F?


Oh and yeah, Sonic Youth did get started in 80's but Confusion is Sex is an OK record and while Daydream Nation is a bona-fide classic they made their mark in the ensuing years.

..and?

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 05:30 AM
Haha, arguably the best rock album since 1980 and you guys dont even know what it is. I sometimes wonder how people can be so out-of-touch with things.

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 05:34 AM
Haha, arguably the best rock album since 1980 and you guys dont even know what it is. I sometimes wonder how people can be so out-of-touch with things.

Yet we "out of touchers" are fifty times better versed in current events, and the factors surrounding them, than you will ever be.

Hell, here I am half a world away, and I know more than you do.

Just WHO is out of touch here?

Nubs
08-08-2008, 06:24 AM
Who and WTF are Sonic Youth??

How in the hell are they are of any importance past their 15 minutes of fame??

Eyeball you are a dumbshit.

You are telling me that some music group has more influence than the prospect of illegal campaign contributions??

How illegal contributions cna lead to "firewalls" between investigating agencies. How the most well intended of coverup's can hinder the avoidance of tragic future events.

Scarlet
08-08-2008, 07:44 AM
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George Clooney isn't a foriegn national... are you all retarded here?

Could you pleaes expande your vocaubulary on that "retartered" rermark?
To what extent are they retared in your expepert opinion? How long have yoy worked with these type of individuals?
Do you know this as a fact? Or are you just throwing this word out there. I want to be very PC and send it to all the MOMS I work with, and let them respond to you. And also..............the Dads,,,,,,,They get very sensetive about their kids. :(
________
Rhode Island Dispensary (http://rhodeisland.dispensaries.org/)

AmPat
08-08-2008, 08:59 AM
Because their currency is worth like twice as much as ours?

As for LibraryLady, one of sources is a Blogspot account. Guess what I can make for free and post nothing but false information on? Blogspot.

The only reason money is Germaine is because it is ILLEGAL to accept this money no matter what the value. Are you deliberately and willfully ignorant or hopelessly stupid? It does not matter what currency or value of that currency if it is ultimately ILLEGAL to accept this currency.

Try to keep up or keep out.:cool:

LibraryLady
08-08-2008, 10:02 AM
When all others in the field concede I tend to assume the last one standing is the winner. In the unlikely scenario that John McCain wins the majority in November how would you respond if I said he wasnt really the president-elect until his inauguration?

You'd be pissed off, call it disrespectful and act like a general douchebag.

Hillary may allow her name to be placed in nomination, and suggested that her supporters don’t need her permission to do that on their own.

I have suggested that you need to review history before you wade in to a discussion board waving your Internet nub.

Whomever is elected in November will not be the President UNTIL he/she is inaugurated.
You're the only douche bag here that would assume otherwise.

linda22003
08-08-2008, 10:23 AM
This is the kind of shit you guys miss out on here, you guys couldn't identify one avant-garde rock band if your life depended on it. Thats sad.

Has the theme of this site changed to "Avant Garde Rock Bands"? If it does, then that will matter.

linda22003
08-08-2008, 10:24 AM
In the unlikely scenario that John McCain wins the majority in November how would you respond if I said he wasnt really the president-elect until his inauguration?

People would probably respond with their usual assessment of your intellect. He will be president elect if he wins; he will just not be president until the inauguration.

linda22003
08-08-2008, 10:26 AM
Can you guys even identify my avatar?



Identify it? I can't even SEE it, it's so tiny.

Sonnabend
08-08-2008, 10:28 AM
Identify it? I can't even SEE it, it's so tiny.

He gets that a lot.

Goldwater
08-08-2008, 11:27 AM
A lot of Republican candidates have held fund raisers in England during the primaries too, this is not unusual.

Elspeth
08-08-2008, 11:41 AM
Has the theme of this site changed to "Avant Garde Rock Bands"? If it does, then that will matter.

Avant garde rock bands. A very white suburban male habit.

Zathras
08-08-2008, 12:44 PM
I would hardly call Sonic Youth, the kings and queens of noise rock, a pop culture blip. And dont tell me I have no sense of whats important when you guys lose your marbles over George Clooney's fundraiser.

Can you guys even identify my avatar?

Oh and yeah, Sonic Youth did get started in 80's but Confusion is Sex is an OK record and while Daydream Nation is a bona-fide classic they made their mark in the ensuing years.

Got some news for you Blinky...Most, if not all of, modern "rock" music sucks balls. I'd much rather listen to music of the 60's and 70's than the crap that's produced today.

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 01:57 PM
Avant garde rock bands. A very white suburban male habit.

If you want to go down this road:

Cleaning dishes, a very white suburban woman habit.

lacarnut
08-08-2008, 02:10 PM
Cleaning dishes, a very white suburban woman habit.

Naw, whites use dishwashers and most don't have use the 50 cent washing machines and dryers at the Laundromat like many blacks have to do. .

Eyelids
08-08-2008, 02:12 PM
Naw, whites use dishwashers and most don't have use the 50 cent washing machines and dryers at the Laundromat like many blacks have to do. .

You dont wash dishes at a laundromat...

Zafod
08-08-2008, 02:55 PM
blabla bla I am a total fucking tool. bla bla bla white people is da devil..,. bla bla bla

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Zathras
08-08-2008, 03:07 PM
If you want to go down this road:

Cleaning dishes, a very white suburban woman habit.

So what you're saying is black people eat off dirty plates?

Zafod
08-08-2008, 03:13 PM
So what you're saying is black people eat off dirty plates?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Zathras
08-08-2008, 03:16 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

And it's not racist either. Using Blinky's logic, that's what he's implying by:


Cleaning dishes, a very white suburban woman habit.

Zafod
08-08-2008, 03:19 PM
And it's not racist either. Using Blinky's logic, that's what he's implying by:

I got it.

pinkeye is a racist pile of shit.

lacarnut
08-08-2008, 04:04 PM
You dont wash dishes at a laundromat...

Blacks might! They put everything but the kitchen sink in them.

Constitutionally Speaking
08-09-2008, 05:48 AM
You have absolutely nothing to back this up, at all.


Except the fact that this is what the Clintons did with all of that Chinese money they accepted. It is pretty common with the Democrats. They have cheated and not been called on it since I can remember.

Odysseus
08-10-2008, 06:20 PM
I would hardly call Sonic Youth, the kings and queens of noise rock, a pop culture blip. And dont tell me I have no sense of whats important when you guys lose your marbles over George Clooney's fundraiser.
Can you guys even identify my avatar?

A political fundraiser held by a multimillionaire celebrity in a foreign country that demonstrates the elitist cast of the Democratic Party and their nominee is certainly going to be a topic of interest in a political board. A minor musical act isn't, no matter how much you like them. You really come off like a kid when you equate the two, and elevating pop culture fluff over serious political discussion is symptomatic of someone who can't distinguish between fantasy and reality.


Identify it? I can't even SEE it, it's so tiny.

He gets that a lot.
ROFLOL!!!


You dont wash dishes at a laundromat...

Except the fact that this is what the Clintons did with all of that Chinese money they accepted. It is pretty common with the Democrats. They have cheated and not been called on it since I can remember.

And we're back to money laundering....:D

Molon Labe
08-10-2008, 07:48 PM
I would hardly call Sonic Youth, the kings and queens of noise rock, a pop culture blip.

One of the few things you've said that actually has some validity.

However...in the grand scheme of things ...If you're suggesting that in a 100 years they will resemble a Mozart, that's stretching it.
There are few artists that will achieve that immortality and SY is not one of them

OwlMBA
08-10-2008, 08:09 PM
There is something very disturbing about going overseas to raise money for a US presidential candidate.

lacarnut
08-10-2008, 09:01 PM
There is something very disturbing about going overseas to raise money for a US presidential candidate.

Can we say that the Democraps are a bunch of crooks and care nothing about circumventing US election laws?

Eyelids
08-10-2008, 09:27 PM
One of the few things you've said that actually has some validity.

However...in the grand scheme of things ...If you're suggesting that in a 100 years they will resemble a Mozart, that's stretching it.
There are few artists that will achieve that immortality and SY is not one of them

I think of the past 20 years only Radiohead and Nirvana (more for non-music related circumstances...) will go down as immortals. Maybe Aphex Twin, but IDM just doesn't have mainstream appeal.

biccat
08-10-2008, 10:48 PM
One of the few things you've said that actually has some validity.

However...in the grand scheme of things ...If you're suggesting that in a 100 years they will resemble a Mozart, that's stretching it.
There are few artists that will achieve that immortality and SY is not one of them

What is a sonic youth? Like the hedgehog?

Sonnabend
08-11-2008, 07:18 AM
I think of the past 20 years only Radiohead

Who?


and Nirvana (more for non-music related circumstances...)

Yeah, a druggie snuffing it.


Maybe Aphex Twin, but IDM just doesn't have mainstream appeal.

Never heard of them

LibraryLady
08-11-2008, 10:04 AM
George Clooney plans to film story of Bin Laden's driver (http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/aug/10/georgeclooney.usa)



George Clooney, already one of Hollywood's leading liberal voices, has embarked on what may be one of his most controversial projects: the story of Osama bin Laden's driver.

Clooney's production company, Smokehouse, has bought the rights to a book about Salim Hamdan, an inmate at Guantánamo Bay who last week was sentenced to jail for his role in helping the al-Qaeda leader.

How many flop movies does the left have to make before they catch on?

Zafod
08-11-2008, 10:56 AM
I think of the past 20 years only Radiohead and Nirvana (more for non-music related circumstances...) will go down as immortals. Maybe Aphex Twin, but IDM just doesn't have mainstream appeal.

By this post I can tell this turd is 16 or 17 years old.

Goldwater
08-11-2008, 11:59 AM
Mozart and Bach etc. were completely different kinds of musicians laying the groundwork for what we have today. There are famous and talented artists today, but none match them.

Molon Labe
08-11-2008, 12:12 PM
Mozart and Bach etc. were completely different kinds of musicians laying the groundwork for what we have today. There are famous and talented artists today, but none match them.

That's my take as well. Popular music has its place, but you could probably cout on one hand the pop artists that will be remembered in 100 years with fondness even approaching a Mozart or Beethoven.
Beatles, Rolling Stones, Buddy Holly...possibly Elvis (not for his witiing genius).

Eyelids
08-11-2008, 02:40 PM
Radiohead's guitarist, Jonny Greenwood, is actually a well respected composer in the classical music world. He was going to be nominated for an Oscar for his score to There Will Be Blood but he updated some previous work from his 2006 solo album so he was disqualified. He's also one of the few people globally that can actually play the Ondes Martenot.

Radiohead will be immortalized, listen to Kid A or Amnesiac and tell me it's like anything you've ever heard.

Zafod
08-11-2008, 02:53 PM
Radiohead's guitarist, Jonny Greenwood, is actually a well respected composer in the classical music world. He was going to be nominated for an Oscar for his score to There Will Be Blood but he updated some previous work from his 2006 solo album so he was disqualified. He's also one of the few people globally that can actually play the Ondes Martenot.

Radiohead will be immortalized, listen to Kid A or Amnesiac and tell me it's like anything you've ever heard.

I cant stand any music from that lazy eyed feak.

Bought the album with "creep" on it back in 95 or maybe 96 and felt ripped off.

They suck.

Goldwater
08-11-2008, 03:35 PM
Radiohead's guitarist, Jonny Greenwood, is actually a well respected composer in the classical music world. He was going to be nominated for an Oscar for his score to There Will Be Blood but he updated some previous work from his 2006 solo album so he was disqualified. He's also one of the few people globally that can actually play the Ondes Martenot.

Radiohead will be immortalized, listen to Kid A or Amnesiac and tell me it's like anything you've ever heard.

Nein.

If you mean contemporary music, it is more likely Robert Johnson, Son House etc. will be figureheads.

Molon Labe
08-11-2008, 03:39 PM
Kid A is unique, but that's all. I don't see it's influence in the overall style or attiutude of pop music in this decade.
Their best work is measured by Ok computer and The Bends. The Bends is still my favorite.
"Fake plastic trees" was brilliant.... Few songs are actually able to capture the zeitgeist.

Servonaut
08-11-2008, 05:48 PM
Radiohead's guitarist, Jonny Greenwood, is actually a well respected composer in the classical music world. He was going to be nominated for an Oscar for his score to There Will Be Blood but he updated some previous work from his 2006 solo album so he was disqualified. He's also one of the few people globally that can actually play the Ondes Martenot.

Radiohead will be immortalized, listen to Kid A or Amnesiac and tell me it's like anything you've ever heard.

Dudette, you have some really crappy taste in music. :rolleyes:

Sonnabend
08-11-2008, 06:06 PM
Radiohead has been around less than a few seconds, compared to Mozart whose music is still celebrated HUNDREDS of years later.

Zathras
08-11-2008, 06:22 PM
Ya know, it's funny. Blinky can't debate the OP about Obama going overseas to get campaign funds so he goes WAAAAAAY off topic to cover his ignorance on the subject.

Eyelids
08-11-2008, 10:08 PM
Zafod:
Pablo Honey (the one with Creep on it) is without a doubt their worst record. Radiohead almost never plays any song off of it live, except for very rarely Creep and You.

Goldwater:
The Beatles and Radiohead have both completely revolutionized the boundries of pop music, and Chuck Berry pretty much invented rock and roll. You cant leave those guys off, pop music will never die and I am increasingly feeling the same way about rock music.

Molon Labe:
I think Kid A is such a revolutionary concept, turning ambient music into engaging music with the same textures, that it's going to take time for it to really sink in. OK Computer (my avatar) is the most brilliant piece of social commentary since 1984, I absolutely adore that album. The Bends is some of the best guitar rock of the 90's too.

Zafod
08-11-2008, 11:53 PM
well folks, according to pinkeye this is the next Mozart.


http://www.tomsheehan.co.uk/images/thom-yorke2.jpg

Zafod
08-11-2008, 11:55 PM
looks so indi rock

biccat
08-12-2008, 09:27 AM
I can honestly say that I have never heard a single one of Radiohead's songs, despite the fact that they are so popular and revolutionary. The only time I heard about them was in the South Park episode.

Sonnabend
08-12-2008, 09:40 AM
OK Computer (my avatar) is the most brilliant piece of social commentary since 1984,

Funny, everyone knows who Orwell is,and yet no one has the faintest idea who these "OK" losers are.

One is amongst the greatest writers of all time, the other is...who were they again?

Goldwater
08-12-2008, 02:18 PM
Funny, everyone knows who Orwell is,and yet no one has the faintest idea who these "OK" losers are.

One is amongst the greatest writers of all time, the other is...who were they again?

Radiohead is generally not something older generations will know or care about, let alone hold in high respect in terms of social commentary. :D

Zafod
08-12-2008, 02:44 PM
Radiohead is generally not something older generations will know or care about, let alone hold in high respect in terms of social commentary. :D

true and the fact that they SUCK!

Molon Labe
08-12-2008, 03:02 PM
Funny, everyone knows who Orwell is,and yet no one has the faintest idea who these "OK" losers are.

One is amongst the greatest writers of all time, the other is...who were they again?

I agree Sonnabend...
I'm familiar with Radiohead and OK Compter is a great album...., but it's not as brilliant an artform as a piece of literature like 1984...or even Animal Farm.

There are only a few pop albums I would even compare to great pieces of literature. Sgt Pepper and Pet Sounds come to mind.

But it's still a stretch to put them on a platform above great works of twentieth century literature or even Classical or Jazz. Too many young people falsely believe that pop music is somehow their contribution to art and culture and equal to other works.....


Rock music has one appeal only, a barbaric appeal, to sexual desire- not love, not eros, but sexual desire undeveloped and untutored. Life is made into a nonstop, commercially prepackaged masturbational fantasies (which) distracts from learning and ruins imaginations - Alan Bloom: The Closing of the American Mind

Eyelids
08-12-2008, 04:26 PM
Radiohead has a lot of jazz songs like Life In A Glasshouse, The National Anthem and A Wolf at the Door and as I mentioned Jonny Greenwood's is a good enough classical musician to be the BBC's composer in residence and doing scores to movies. His soundtrack for There Will Be Blood won every award it was nominated for, but missed out on the Academy Awards because he used some track elements from his first solo album.

Radiohead is a little more than just a rock band, and people who are familiar with them understand that.

And yeah, Orwell is by far my favorite author ever. More of a personal preference maybe, but even I know Radiohead doesnt stand up to him.

Rebel Yell
08-12-2008, 04:31 PM
I have to admit, back in the day, Creep was one of my favorite songs.

Odysseus
08-12-2008, 07:01 PM
Ya know, it's funny. Blinky can't debate the OP about Obama going overseas to get campaign funds so he goes WAAAAAAY off topic to cover his ignorance on the subject.

Agreed. So, let's get back on topic. How does Obama feel about having Clooney host a fundraiser for him in Switzerland and making a heartwarming drama about the heroic struggle to free Osama Bin Laden's lackey?

Zafod
08-12-2008, 07:37 PM
Agreed. So, let's get back on topic. How does Obama feel about having Clooney host a fundraiser for him in Switzerland and making a heartwarming drama about the heroic struggle to free Osama Bin Laden's lackey?

HOOAH! :D:D