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Gingersnap
04-27-2010, 05:46 PM
We are not your weapons – we are women
Haiti — By Guest Author on April 19, 2010 at 10:46 am

By Amanda Kijera, civic journalist and activist in Haiti

Two weeks ago, on a Monday morning, I started to write what I thought was a very clever editorial about violence against women in Haiti. The case, I believed, was being overstated by women’s organizations in need of additional resources. Ever committed to preserving the dignity of Black men in a world which constantly stereotypes them as violent savages, I viewed this writing as yet one more opportunity to fight “the man” on behalf of my brothers. That night, before I could finish the piece, I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.

It hurt. The experience was almost more than I could bear. I begged him to stop. Afraid he would kill me, I pleaded with him to honor my commitment to Haiti, to him as a brother in the mutual struggle for an end to our common oppression, but to no avail. He didn’t care that I was a Malcolm X scholar. He told me to shut up, and then slapped me in the face. Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.

Accepting the helplessness of my situation, I chucked aside the Haiti bracelet I had worn so proudly for over a year, along with it, my dreams of human liberation. Someone, I told myself, would always be bigger and stronger than me. As a woman, my place in life had been ascribed from birth. A Chinese proverb says that “women are like the grass, meant to be stepped on.” The thought comforted me at the same time that it made me cringe.

(snip)

I went to Haiti after the earthquake to empower Haitians to self-sufficiency. I went to remind them of the many great contributions that Afro-descendants have made to this world, and of their amazing resilience and strength as a people. Not once did I envision myself becoming a receptacle for a Black man’s rage at the white world, but that is what I became. While I take issue with my brother’s behavior, I’m grateful for the experience. It woke me up, made me understand on a deeper level the terror that my sisters deal with daily. This in hand, I feel comfortable in speaking for Haitian women, and for myself, in saying that we will not be your pawns, racially, politically, economically or otherwise.

Amazing. This white, well educated humanitarian has absolutely no insight into her situation. She was raped because she was defenseless - not because because of the white patriarchy. Everywhere in the world women are raped because they cannot outrun or outfight male criminals. The rapist was opportunistic, not simmering with colonial vengeance. The personal is not political in most cases.

But it was really that last paragraph that so completely summed up the do-gooder mindset. She came, she reminded, and she speaks for Haitian women...because Haitian women just aren't doing it right.

The planet will never move forward until we take these holier-than-thou women and give them some kind innocuous work to do where they can't influence children or meddle in the affairs of actual adults.

Race Talk (http://www.race-talk.org/?p=4008)

Megaguns91
04-27-2010, 05:59 PM
Stupid stupid stupid. She could have avoided this situation by a mile had she not been a self-concerned presumptuous idiot. But, like most liberal self-professed do-gooders, she walked right into a situation where she thought that emotions and feelings and her empathy would prevail and it's a real shame. I'm not saying that rape is condoned. Not ever, ever, ever. But, if you're wise, you can take steps to avoid being put in such a situation. Common sense as opposed to feeeeeeeeeeelings.

marv
04-27-2010, 06:24 PM
Ultimately, I think she came to enjoy it!

http://www.occidentaldissent.com/2010/04/23/amanda-kijera-liberal-human-rights-activist-raped-in-haiti/

fettpett
04-27-2010, 06:32 PM
what a complete idiot. I don't know very many rape victims that act like this. I know two people that have had this happen to them when they were kids. both of them blamed themselves NOT some gradious meta influnce.

Somehow this story reads and feels very fake.

Wei Wu Wei
04-27-2010, 06:38 PM
Rather than allowing myself to be used in such a fashion, and as opposed to submitting to the frustration and bitterness that can be born of such an experience, I choose to continue to love and educate instead. My brothers can be sensitized to women’s realities in Haiti and the world over if these are presented to them by using their own clashes with racism and oppression as a starting point.

They must be made to understand the dangerous likelihood of the oppressed becoming the oppressor if no shift in consciousnesses takes place and if no end to the cycle of trauma occurs. I intend to see that it does…by continuing to live and work fearlessly with justice in mind, through the creation of a safe space for women in Haiti and by creating programming for Haitian men that considers their needs, too. Weapons annihilate, dialogue bears fruit.

I don't understand what's wrong here. She seems to be one of the very few people left in the world upholding the virtues of truth and love (as seen through Jesus Christ and preached by many other great figures in history).

Rather than turning into a weapon, rather than allowing her pain to turn into hatred, she is still doing what is right.

This sort of thing needs to be talked about more often.

Wei Wu Wei
04-27-2010, 06:39 PM
what a complete idiot. I don't know very many rape victims that act like this. I know two people that have had this happen to them when they were kids. both of them blamed themselves NOT some gradious meta influnce.

Somehow this story reads and feels very fake.

It's people like her that give me hope that there is still hope for humans when all too often I read opinions like this.

She's an idiot? She's faking? I find this post horribly offensive and misogynistic.

malloc
04-27-2010, 06:39 PM
Overpowered, I gave up fighting halfway through the night.

Accepting the helplessness of my situation


Back in 1836 a good friend of mine, Samuel Colt, patented what would become a great equalizer among men and women. This woman should really look into this astonishing device, and advocate the value it can bring to the plight of Hatian women. When employed correctly, patent No. 1304 has the remarkable property of placing the smallest woman on equal footing with the largest man. It won't guarantee a successful escape, but it definitely un-guarantees certain victimization.

Megaguns91
04-27-2010, 06:53 PM
It's people like her that give me hope that there is still hope for humans when all too often I read opinions like this.

She's an idiot? She's faking? I find this post horribly offensive and misogynistic.

And I find you thinking you know anything about the truth behind being raped and "hope" of such things offends me.

MrsSmith
04-27-2010, 07:32 PM
It's people like her that give me hope that there is still hope for humans when all too often I read opinions like this.


Not to be too cynical, but I do note that every single online mention of this woman just happens to be this story...but I'm sure there's no chance she made it up in order to make a name for herself. After all, women never lie....especially so calmly...about a horrendous act like this. Of course not.


{Personally, if this had happened to me, I'd be having nightmares; replaying the worst parts of it in my mind whenever I didn't guard my thoughts carefully; and I'd swing back and forth from feeling I was at fault for being so stupid, and feeling intense anger and even hatred for the "brother." What I would not do would be to blame all the whites in the world for the lust and anger of one man...regardless of color.}

Wei Wu Wei
04-27-2010, 07:42 PM
And I find you thinking you know anything about the truth behind being raped and "hope" of such things offends me.

I'm speaking of the Truth preached by Jesus Christ and others, not about the individual experience of being raped. Two of the most important people in my life were victims of rape, this sort of thing hits home for me, but I am not presuming to know what it's like for her.

That someone could experience this horror and still act out of love and charity demonstrates something that I consider divine and that does give me hope.

patriot45
04-27-2010, 08:15 PM
The fact is that she is mentally ill and should be institutionalized for her own good. There are few things on the planet more pathetic than self-hating white liberals.

Wait, what! There is another kind of moonbat liberal!?!

Her whole article is astonishingly naive.

Troll
04-27-2010, 08:33 PM
Her whole article is astonishingly naive.

She actually thought telling this guy that she was a "Malcolm X scholar" (it wouldn't surprise me if that's a 4-year major at UC Berkeley) would stop him from raping her. That maybe by telling him that, they could have passed the night smoking dope and bashing "the man" instead. This is above and beyond the garden variety brainwashing we get from the media and public schools. The only way to categorize this woman is as clinically insane.

Gingersnap
04-27-2010, 08:57 PM
I don't understand what's wrong here. She seems to be one of the very few people left in the world upholding the virtues of truth and love (as seen through Jesus Christ and preached by many other great figures in history).

But she isn't upholding a truth. She (like many others before her) believed that her politics gave her both immunity and insight. She also believes that her experience gives her the right to speak for a group of women who do not share her values, experience, or goals. That's arrogance.

Her insight into her situation isn't Christian. While we are commanded to forgive our attackers, we aren't commanded to lose our minds and attribute the attack to anything other than evil.

Her comments about food distribution in Haiti are telling. She wants to see the men empowered by giving them direct access to food aid. Gosh, everybody sort of did that already. The women and children starved while the men ate and sold the surplus food on the black markets. Food is given directly to women today because the women prepare the food, feed the children first, and split the remaining food with the men.

That she doesn't understand this means that she doesn't understand a lot about the lives of Haitian women.

Elspeth
04-27-2010, 09:06 PM
Amazing. This white, well educated humanitarian has absolutely no insight into her situation. She was raped because she was defenseless - not because because of the white patriarchy. Everywhere in the world women are raped because they cannot outrun or outfight male criminals. The rapist was opportunistic, not simmering with colonial vengeance. The personal is not political in most cases.

But it was really that last paragraph that so completely summed up the do-gooder mindset. She came, she reminded, and she speaks for Haitian women...because Haitian women just aren't doing it right.

The planet will never move forward until we take these holier-than-thou women and give them some kind innocuous work to do where they can't influence children or meddle in the affairs of actual adults.

Race Talk (http://www.race-talk.org/?p=4008)

Would you have said the same thing if she had been a nun? Nuns are do-gooders, and their sympathies are typically with the poor and disenfranchised, not the wealthy. Do you think a do-gooder nun deserves to be gang raped? It has happened you know, especially in South and Central America.

If not, then what makes this do-gooder's rape ok? Is it just her politics? I don't agree with many women's politics, but I would never wish gang rape on any of them. I find your attitude astonishing here.

patriot45
04-27-2010, 09:11 PM
Would you have said the same thing if she had been a nun? Nuns are do-gooders, and their sympathies are typically with the poor and disenfranchised, not the wealthy. Do you think a do-gooder nun deserves to be gang raped? It has happened you know, especially in South and Central America.

If not, then what makes this do-gooder's rape ok? Is it just her politics? I don't agree with many women's politics, but I would never wish gang rape on any of them. I find your attitude astonishing here.

Wow! You took that wrong! No one said it was OK or deserved. We are saying she was delusional at the least and mentally impaired as well.


I was held on a rooftop in Haiti and raped repeatedly by one of the very men who I had spent the bulk of my life advocating for.

What was she doing on a rooftop with him?

Elspeth
04-27-2010, 09:22 PM
Wow! You took that wrong! No one said it was OK or deserved. We are saying she was delusional at the least and mentally impaired as well.



What was she doing on a rooftop with him?

Hey, patriot,

My post wasn't directed toward you at all. Take a look at the quoted material. :)

And I agree with you that a white woman who goes off to save men of color does have a delusion: the delusion of power and of being allied with the power group. In the end, men of ALL cultures think less of women than they do of men, and you can quote Malcolm X to your heart's content: old Malcolm just saw a vagina and nothing else too.

Better off as a woman saving yourself.

Gingersnap
04-27-2010, 09:33 PM
Would you have said the same thing if she had been a nun? Nuns are do-gooders, and their sympathies are typically with the poor and disenfranchised, not the wealthy. Do you think a do-gooder nun deserves to be gang raped? It has happened you know, especially in South and Central America.

If not, then what makes this do-gooder's rape ok? Is it just her politics? I don't agree with many women's politics, but I would never wish gang rape on any of them. I find your attitude astonishing here.

Absolutely I would have said the same thing if the raped nun had made the same points. Nuns have been brutally raped and killed by the men in groups they have been trying to help. Until the past 15 or 20 years however, they have framed these attacks as the evil work of evil men - not as an understandable or excusable consequence of colonial oppression.

Rape is never excusable unless someone else has a gun to the rapist's head. That I can understand the factors that make certain subcultures believe that rape is "okay" doesn't mean that I believe the men involved are blameless. No opportunistic rapist would also think that it was "okay" if his girlfriend, sister, daughter or son was raped. He'd draw a bright line between his slutty ex and women he actually cared about. If you can draw that line, you know enough to know it's wrong.

BTW - I never said that this woman deserved to be raped by one man or many.

patriot45
04-27-2010, 09:36 PM
Hey, patriot,

My post wasn't directed toward you at all. Take a look at the quoted material. :)

And I agree with you that a white woman who goes off to save men of color does have a delusion: the delusion of power and of being allied with the power group. In the end, men of ALL cultures think less of women than they do of men, and you can quote Malcolm X to your heart's content: old Malcolm just saw a vagina and nothing else too.

Better off as a woman saving yourself.

I take the whole thing different. Woman, man whatever. When you act stupid, bad things will happen. Just because you think your cause is noble don't really mean crap. Think of the moonbat that went up against a bulldozer and lost, very noble. Or the goofy save the whale dopes that get rammed by a whaler! You put yourself in a position to have bad things happen to you and think that because you are altruistic that it will be all Kumbaya, that is delusional or insanity!

FlaGator
04-27-2010, 09:55 PM
Bad things happen to all people whether they are doing good or evil. That the woman was raped as a result of what she felt called to do (regardless of the reasons for that calling) does not change the fact that an act of evil was involved. Whether it is Mother Theresa or a stripper at the nudie bar who is raped the act was still evil and a violation of their person.

To classify the act as having a certain level of understandability is ridiculous and gives validity to the basic concept of hate crimes which most people here find egregious. To say a crime is worse be cause it was committed with racial or ethnic hatred operates on the same basic premise that some crimes are less vile because of the position that the victim put him or herself in.

Until we can say that an act of evil is absent of degrees of culpability on the victims part then we should expect evil people to find ways to diminish an excuse their responsibility in the acts and other people to accept those excuses.

noonwitch
04-28-2010, 08:44 AM
What was she doing on a rooftop with him?


That's kind of what I was wondering-if she was down there as a relief worker, what was she doing alone in that kind of situation in Haiti? I don't think she deserved to be raped, but why didn't she stick with the group she was with? When you go to places that have been devastated by a disaster, it's never a safe place for a woman to walk alone, unarmed, without even a big dog with her.