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megimoo
08-06-2008, 08:11 PM
Foremost UK Gay Activist Admits there is No Gay Gene

One of the untouchable dogmas of the homosexualist movement is the assertion of the existence of a "gay gene", or a genetic marker that causes same-sex attraction.

The assertion of a genetic factor in homosexual preference has never been demonstrated by scientists and now at least one prominent campaigner in the British homosexualist movement has admitted this fact.

Peter Tatchell, an Australian-born British homosexual activist who founded the "direct action" group OutRage! that specialises in media stunts such as disrupting Christian religious services, wrote on Spiked Online that he agrees with the scientific consensus that there is no such thing as a "gay gene."

Contrary to the findings of some researchers who have tried to posit a purely genetic origin for same-sex attractions, Tatchell wrote, "Genes and hormones may predispose a person to one sexuality rather than another.

But that's all. Predisposition and determination are two different things."

Homosexual activists have adopted the "gay gene" theory to bolster their assertion that any objection on moral grounds to homosexual activity is akin to objecting to left-handedness or skin colour.

It has supported the accusation that Christians and others who object to the homosexual movement are racists and bigots.

Tatchell even went as far as to acknowledge the existence of some who have changed their "sexual orientation." "If heterosexuality and homosexuality are, indeed, genetically predetermined... how do we explain bisexuality or people who, suddenly in mid-life, switch from heterosexuality to homosexuality (or vice versa)? We can't."

Sexuality, he wrote, is "far more ambiguous, blurred and overlapping than any theory of genetic causality can allow."

"Examples of sexual flexibility... don't square with genetic theories of rigid erotic predestination."

Bill Muehlenberg, a Christian writer and philosophy lecturer, called Tatchell's admission a rare and "refreshing" and "very revealing case of homosexual honesty."

Muehlenberg said that he has been "howled down" by homosexual lobbyists for years for saying the same things about putative homosexual determinism.

Whoever is saying it, he wrote, the conclusion must be the debunking of the myth that homosexuals are "born that way" and cannot help, or change, their inclinations.

The "gay gene" theory has been used by gay activists "to deny choice, to make it appear that homosexuals cannot help it, and to argue that any criticism of the gay lifestyle is as silly as criticism of being left-handed or red-haired."


http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/aug/08080605.html

Eyelids
08-06-2008, 08:25 PM
megimoo, you cant even speak English but you've managed to figure out something that no scientist has managed to prove one way or the other?

wilbur
08-06-2008, 08:28 PM
[SIZE="3"]Foremost UK Gay Activist Admits there is No Gay Gene

One of the untouchable dogmas of the homosexualist movement is the assertion of the existence of a "gay gene", or a genetic marker that causes same-sex attraction.


And the other side clings tenaciously to the "Its a choice!!!" dogma so they can justify their bigotry. Not that its justified either way.



The assertion of a genetic factor in homosexual preference has never been demonstrated by scientists and now at least one prominent campaigner in the British homosexualist movement has admitted this fact.


There is plenty of scientific evidence detailing physiological differences between hetero's and homosexuals. This doesnt mean its entirely genetic, but does provide evidence its not always a matter of choice



Peter Tatchell, an Australian-born British homosexual activist who founded the "direct action" group OutRage! that specialises in media stunts such as disrupting Christian religious services, wrote on Spiked Online that he agrees with the scientific consensus that there is no such thing as a "gay gene."

Contrary to the findings of some researchers who have tried to posit a purely genetic origin for same-sex attractions, Tatchell wrote, "Genes and hormones may predispose a person to one sexuality rather than another.


We don't know.



But that's all. Predisposition and determination are two different things."

Homosexual activists have adopted the "gay gene" theory to bolster their assertion that any objection on moral grounds to homosexual activity is akin to objecting to left-handedness or skin colour.


They shouldnt have to. Unfortunately, in the world of bigotry you have to come up with idiotic justifications like this. They shouldnt have to justify it with a gene. Its a stupid tactic.



It has supported the accusation that Christians and others who object to the homosexual movement are racists and bigots.


Most of them are. Watch how many on this forum claim this isnt true, then soon after they start throwing around slurs and insults that would get you shot if you said them about someone with a different skin color.



Tatchell even went as far as to acknowledge the existence of some who have changed their "sexual orientation." "If heterosexuality and homosexuality are, indeed, genetically predetermined... how do we explain bisexuality or people who, suddenly in mid-life, switch from heterosexuality to homosexuality (or vice versa)? We can't."

Sexuality, he wrote, is "far more ambiguous, blurred and overlapping than any theory of genetic causality can allow."


It's an interesting puzzle. The answer to it shouldnt change anyones political agenda. Gene or not, its irrelevant.



"Examples of sexual flexibility... don't square with genetic theories of rigid erotic predestination."

Bill Muehlenberg, a Christian writer and philosophy lecturer, called Tatchell's admission a rare and "refreshing" and "very revealing case of homosexual honesty."


Ah yes, this guy admits he is an evil evil sinner! He's one step closer to repenting! Rejoice!



Muehlenberg said that he has been "howled down" by homosexual lobbyists for years for saying the same things about putative homosexual determinism.

Whoever is saying it, he wrote, the conclusion must be the debunking of the myth that homosexuals are "born that way" and cannot help, or change, their inclinations.


Why should they have to? Because it makes bigots uncomfortable?



The "gay gene" theory has been used by gay activists "to deny choice, to make it appear that homosexuals cannot help it, and to argue that any criticism of the gay lifestyle is as silly as criticism of being left-handed or red-haired."


And the "Its a choice" theory has been parroted by bigots to justify their bigotry.

People born left handed can learn to be right handed or ambidextrous if they are trained to be but does that make them right handed? Genetic predispositions can be powerful things.

megimoo
08-06-2008, 08:39 PM
megimoo, you cant even speak English but you've managed to figure out something that no scientist has managed to prove one way or the other?It's not my conclusion maggot but the Australian gays ,They told me that you knew how to read.

FlaGator
08-06-2008, 09:36 PM
<snip>

Ah yes, this guy admits he is an evil evil sinner! He's one step closer to repenting! Rejoice!
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I rejoice for all who repent of their sins. Why do you make fun of it?

megimoo
08-06-2008, 09:38 PM
And the other side clings tenaciously to the "Its a choice!!!" dogma so they can justify their bigotry. Not that its justified either way.



There is plenty of scientific evidence detailing physiological differences between hetero's and homosexuals. This doesnt mean its entirely genetic, but does provide evidence its not always a matter of choice



We don't know.



They shouldnt have to. Unfortunately, in the world of bigotry you have to come up with idiotic justifications like this. They shouldnt have to justify it with a gene. Its a stupid tactic.



Most of them are. Watch how many on this forum claim this isnt true, then soon after they start throwing around slurs and insults that would get you shot if you said them about someone with a different skin color.



It's an interesting puzzle. The answer to it shouldnt change anyones political agenda. Gene or not, its irrelevant.



Ah yes, this guy admits he is an evil evil sinner! He's one step closer to repenting! Rejoice!



Why should they have to? Because it makes bigots uncomfortable?



And the "Its a choice" theory has been parroted by bigots to justify their bigotry.

People born left handed can learn to be right handed or ambidextrous if they are trained to be but does that make them right handed? Genetic predispositions can be powerful things.

Are you sure That You Don't Have 'A Dog In This Race '?

nightflight
08-06-2008, 10:18 PM
Why would anyone "choose" to be homosexual?

megimoo
08-06-2008, 10:23 PM
Why would anyone "choose" to be homosexual?Ask EyePuss ?

LibraryLady
08-06-2008, 10:30 PM
Bullshit. I think the great majority of homosexuality is genetic and it will be proven in our lifetime.

Gingersnap
08-06-2008, 10:40 PM
Why would anyone "choose" to be homosexual?

I can't answer for men but for women it's often a very calculated choice. I've known more than a few women who "gay" when it suited them. They were gay in college because they didn't want the social pressure of hook-ups or dating. There was no wild sex with their "partner/roommate" but they had a wonderful excuse to opt out of the college sex game.

I've known women who suddenly became "gay" after a divorce. They moved in with their best friend and just assumed the lifestyle mantle. They are bitter toward men after being in a 20+ marriage that didn't work out and being a lesbian is a new identity for them. They had no trouble negotiating the heterosexual world until after divorce and menopause. These women are also not much interested in sex.

Back in the day, it was common for good friends to share space and finances after the kids were gone and the husband was dead. Those women weren't lesbians. Today, two middle-aged women shacking up together is automatically considered a sexual relationship and we have trouble viewing a love/sister relationship that doesn't involve sex. For a lot of these women being considered lesbian is now easier than just being friends and life-long companions.

Many women who were Gay Until Graduation are now married and raising bio kids. Many older women who have mutual living arrangements have never jumped their roommate.

For women, this not a cut and dried issue.

Shannon
08-06-2008, 10:43 PM
Bullshit. I think the great majority of homosexuality is genetic and it will be proven in our lifetime.

And then abortion will be outlawed.;)

LibraryLady
08-06-2008, 10:47 PM
And then abortion will be outlawed.;)

In the slight chance abortion is outlawed; it won't stop it. I was in college before Roe, everyone knew where you could get one - with a doctor.

nightflight
08-07-2008, 01:30 AM
I say live and let live.

Eyelids
08-07-2008, 02:46 AM
In the slight chance abortion is outlawed; it won't stop it. I was in college before Roe, everyone knew where you could get one - with a doctor.

Or they'll just go south. 5 or 6 dead teenagers later and people will be wondering what the hell they got themselves into.

John
08-07-2008, 03:48 AM
Bullshit. I think the great majority of homosexuality is genetic and it will be proven in our lifetime.

I'm not so sure. For a long time the medical community believed in an 'alcoholic gene' which would predispose a person to alcoholism. Largely through the work of Dr. Stanton Peele this idea has been exposed as a myth, even though organizations such as AA refuse to accept his findings. I think homosexuality is more behavioral than genetic. A person who subscribes to genetics must also hold the theory of natural selection in some regard. Since homosexuals by definition aren't likely to produce a significant volume of offspring to pass on this homosexual gene, then it could stand to reason that homosexuality is not genetic. I'm not saying this conclusion is complete, studied and verified, but it does make sense.

I'm by no means saying that homosexuality is wrong because it is a choice at some level. People have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness as they see fit and to me that's final. I'm not even saying that homosexuality is a conscious choice like choosing between pizza or chicken for dinner. I'm just speculating that the root cause of homosexuality is more psychological than genetic. That doesn't mean homosexuality is wrong because it's not a genetic predisposition, it just means that we have a lot more to learn about human psychology.

Shannon
08-07-2008, 06:25 PM
In the slight chance abortion is outlawed; it won't stop it. I was in college before Roe, everyone knew where you could get one - with a doctor.

I was being a smartass. Rush has an ongoing "joke" about how the only way libs would be against abortion is if the baby was gay.

wilbur
08-07-2008, 11:34 PM
I was being a smartass. Rush has an ongoing "joke" about how the only way libs would be against abortion is if the baby was gay.

Thats a little dishonesty on his part (not unusual, he lies for a living). They would only be against abortion (I think) if it was solely because the baby was gay and the mother would have otherwise had the child if it weren't. ;)

Shannon
08-07-2008, 11:37 PM
Thats a little dishonesty on his part (not unusual, he lies for a living). They would only be against abortion (I think) if it was solely because the baby was gay and the mother would have otherwise had the child if it weren't. ;)

That is actually what he says. I wasn't clear. Sorry.