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Gingersnap
05-11-2010, 11:51 AM
The Pill ruined the institution of marriage, says Raquel Welch
By Simon Caldwell
Last updated at 10:40 AM on 11th May 2010

Raquel Welch has blamed the Pill for the decline of the institution of marriage. The Hollywood actress said the widespread use of oral contraceptives had led to a breakdown in sexual morality and fuelled the growth of rampant promiscuity among the young.

Miss Welch, 69, said the situation has grown so grave that 'these days nobody seems able to keep it in their pants or honour a commitment'.

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Sex symbol: Raquel Welch now aged 69, was voted by readers of Playboy magazine as 'the most desired female of the 1970s'. But she warns that the Pill has created social anarchy

While she argued that it carried some benefits, she said the enduring legacy of the Pill has been social anarchy.

Miss Welch has been a sex symbol since she sprang to international fame for her role in the 1966 film One Million Years BC - and was voted by readers of Playboy magazine as 'the most desired female of the 1970s'.
But in an article to mark the introduction of the Pill to the U.S. market 50 years ago, she distanced herself from the fruits of the sexual revolution of which she was a part.

'The growing proliferation of birth control methods has had an awesome effect on both sexes and led to a sea change in moral values,' she said in an article for television channel CNN entitled 'It's SexO'Clock in America'.

A positive consequence of the Pill was it had 'made it easier for a woman to choose to delay having children until after she established herself in a career', she said.

Miss Welch, who has three failed marriages behind her, added that a 'significant and enduring' effect on women was the idea that they could have sex without any consequences - with the result that fewer today saw marriage as a 'viable option'.

She went on: 'Seriously, folks, if an ageing sex symbol like me starts waving the red flag of caution over how low moral standards have plummeted, you know it's gotta be pretty bad.'

Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1276838/The-Pill-ruined-institution-marriage-says-Raquel-Welch.html)

linda22003
05-11-2010, 11:57 AM
Uh-huh. It's the pill's fault. I've taken it, and I've been married for almost 25 years to one man. I don't know if she's taken it, but she's been married four times (so far). Maybe SHE's the problem.

FlaGator
05-11-2010, 11:59 AM
Uh-huh. It's the pill's fault. I've taken it, and I've been married for almost 25 years to one man. I don't know if she's taken it, but she's been married four times (so far). Maybe SHE's the problem.

I think that you are missing her point. I also think that you can not judge the entire effect that the pill has had on society based on your personal experience.

linda22003
05-11-2010, 12:08 PM
I think that you are missing her point. I also think that you can not judge the entire effect that the pill has had on society based on your personal experience.

Then neither can she.

linda22003
05-11-2010, 12:09 PM
I just think it's ludicrous that SHE's lecturing others on honoring commitments, when she's been married for thirty years.... if you count all four guys together! :cool:

Gingersnap
05-11-2010, 12:35 PM
I see her point. Sex without predictable consequences has made women act like more like single men. They are more willing to be promiscuous, more willing to defer parenthood to the age where it becomes impossible naturally, more willing to see female sexuality reduced to just a commodity, etc.

The possibility of pregnancy puts the brakes on some behaviors that should be taken a lot more slowly (especially for women).

linda22003
05-11-2010, 12:48 PM
Whether or not women SHOULD behave like men, I don't buy the "if she's punished with a baby, she'll behave" school of enforced morality.

fettpett
05-11-2010, 12:50 PM
ah, but one has to wonder why she got divorced, not that she did. I don't necissarly agree with divorce, but it happens, if she was the cause of the divorces and was cheating in them, then yes she has no room to say anything, but she was the one cheated on than she has every reason to speak out against it.

I'm not take either side, just pointing out how she could speak out against the pill for these reasons

fettpett
05-11-2010, 12:54 PM
do have to say, for a 69 yr/old she looks DAMN Fine http://www.askmen.com/women/galleries/actress/raquel-welch/picture-2.html even if she has had plastic surgery

Gingersnap
05-11-2010, 01:14 PM
Whether or not women SHOULD behave like men, I don't buy the "if she's punished with a baby, she'll behave" school of enforced morality.

Punished? That's a weird way to look at it. Women are designed to have babies. Now, judicious use of birth control can bring that function under a woman's control as to "when" (and sometimes "if") but the natural consequence of sex is reproduction - for both men and women. :confused:

linda22003
05-11-2010, 01:22 PM
Punished? That's a weird way to look at it. Women are designed to have babies. Now, judicious use of birth control can bring that function under a woman's control as to "when" (and sometimes "if") but the natural consequence of sex is reproduction - for both men and women. :confused:

I was borrowing the much-lampooned phrase Obama used about not wanting his daughters "punished" with a baby. I have seen on more than one board (FreeRepublic comes to mind) that women can "escape" the consequences of sex "too easily" now, which I think is a demented way of looking at it.

Wei Wu Wei
05-11-2010, 01:24 PM
The condom didn't ruin marriage?

noonwitch
05-11-2010, 01:27 PM
My mom used the pill in between pregnancies, then after my sister was born, my dad got a vasectomy.

My grandma never had the opportunity to use the pill, as she had her last child in the mid 50s. All of her later pregnancies were affected by Rh incompatiblity, so my two youngest uncles were born hearing impaired. She also had a couple of miscarriages in that time, due to that condition. She used to say that she would have loved to avoid the miscarriages, but that she had no regrets about bringing either uncle into the world and couldn't imagine her life if she had not had them. Of course, they invented Rho-gam in the same era as they invented the pill, so either way, she would have been covered.


I don't blame the pill for the increasing numbers of sexually active young women. Some people blame MTV, some blame music, some blame feminism, and so on. I blame the historically proven reasons-teenage hormones and the tendency that young people have to think that consequences won't happen to them. There's just more of them that are buying into that line of thinking these days.

FlaGator
05-11-2010, 01:41 PM
Then neither can she.

She is just restating what some sociologists believe. You are defining an issue by your own personal experience. I've driven drunk and I never killed anyone so obviously drunk driving isn't an issue:rolleyes:

FlaGator
05-11-2010, 01:46 PM
Whether or not women SHOULD behave like men, I don't buy the "if she's punished with a baby, she'll behave" school of enforced morality.

The concept that some have of sexual freedom is that it means more than freedom to have sex with anyone you want. It means freedom from the consequences of sex. Whether she behaves more morally or not is not the question here. Will they (man and woman) behave with an attitude that is more conscious of the potential outcome of their activities?

FlaGator
05-11-2010, 01:50 PM
The condom didn't ruin marriage?

Because most men didn't use them before and especially not after marriage. When the pill was introduced many men took that to mean that they could put the responsibility of birth control strictly in the woman's court.

Articulate_Ape
05-11-2010, 02:11 PM
..., more willing to see female sexuality reduced to just a commodity


Wait a minute, wasn't it always just that? :p

Wei Wu Wei
05-11-2010, 02:32 PM
Because most men didn't use them before and especially not after marriage. When the pill was introduced many men took that to mean that they could put the responsibility of birth control strictly in the woman's court.

Damn those pills!

noonwitch
05-11-2010, 03:55 PM
Because most men didn't use them before and especially not after marriage. When the pill was introduced many men took that to mean that they could put the responsibility of birth control strictly in the woman's court.



They still don't, hence my commitment to celibacy.

linda22003
05-11-2010, 05:15 PM
She is just restating what some sociologists believe. You are defining an issue by your own personal experience. I've driven drunk and I never killed anyone so obviously drunk driving isn't an issue:rolleyes:

She is just as qualified to pass judgment on this as I am. No less - and no more. You tell me which sociologists she has spent long nights studying, and I might concede your point.

FlaGator
05-11-2010, 09:38 PM
She is just as qualified to pass judgment on this as I am. No less - and no more. You tell me which sociologists she has spent long nights studying, and I might concede your point.

I trust her opinion much more than yours because she has never pointed out any of my typos. Deal with it. :D

linda22003
05-11-2010, 10:05 PM
I trust her opinion much more than yours because she has never pointed out any of my typos. Deal with it. :D

I suppose that's a nice way to say "she doesn't know you're alive." :D

FlaGator
05-11-2010, 11:24 PM
I suppose that's a nice way to say "she doesn't know you're alive." :D

You never know do ya...

georgia10
05-13-2010, 11:47 AM
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