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PoliCon
05-20-2010, 11:50 AM
http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=139253&catid=339


DENVER - Colorado gambling regulators say a calculating error in a penny slot machine's software led to a false message that said a woman had won $42.9 million in Central City in March.
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The Colorado Division of Gaming says its investigation shows Louise Chavez of Thornton should have won $20.18.

Chavez wagered 40 cents on a machine in the Fortune Valley on March 26 and got the message of the multimillion-dollar payout, even though the machine's top award was posted as about $251,000.

The Division of Gaming says the game software's calculating error was triggered after two bonus games occurred in quick succession while another bonus feature was in play.

"The top jackpot on the slot machine at the time was $251,000, so $42.9 million was way beyond the top price award on that machine," Don Burmania, spokesman for the Colorado Division of Gaming, said.

Burmania says for Chavez to get the maximum payoff, she would have to bet $4. She only bet 40 cents, so her top award would have been $200.

"When you play a slot machine and press the bottom the outcome is pretty much determined immediately by a series of random number generators," Burmania said. "The rest is bells and whistles. In this case it was a lot of bells and whistles that conflicted with each other and gave an erroneous prize."

Burmania says errors like this one are rare.

In 2008, a machine told the gambler she supposedly won $166 million, when in fact she was only due $6.

Division officials have said the casino is not obligated to pay the $42.9 million.

Chavez was unavailable for comment Wednesday.

Her brother told 9NEWS the family retained a lawyer. That attorney did not respond to 9NEWS request for comment.

Gingersnap
05-20-2010, 12:01 PM
Take what money? Sue for what? Her best case scenario was $200 bucks.

I'd ask the casino to comp me and Mr. Snaps for a weekend to compensate for the momentary shock.

PoliCon
05-20-2010, 12:31 PM
Take what money? Sue for what? Her best case scenario was $200 bucks.

I'd ask the casino to comp me and Mr. Snaps for a weekend to compensate for the momentary shock.

Whether that was the top she could have won or not - the machine told her that she'd won $42.9M.

noonwitch
05-20-2010, 12:58 PM
Whether that was the top she could have won or not - the machine told her that she'd won $42.9M.




She needs to call Fieger Law. He'll get that much out of the casino, and an additional 42 million from the maker of the machine. If he can find a way to blame the government, he'll sue them, too.

fettpett
05-20-2010, 01:01 PM
I'd bitch, maybe ask for compensation for the room, but doubht it....be nice to just win $200 right now

Gingersnap
05-20-2010, 01:12 PM
Whether that was the top she could have won or not - the machine told her that she'd won $42.9M.

So what? Case law has already established that true errors aren't contractual obligations.

FlaGator
05-20-2010, 01:22 PM
So what? Case law has already established that true errors aren't contractual obligations.

Should have faked a heart attack and then sued the more that.

Speedy
05-20-2010, 02:11 PM
Take what money? Sue for what? Her best case scenario was $200 bucks.


No the best case scenario was what the machine said she won, $42.9 mil. That should be the starting number and any settlement should start with that. Does not matter what she put in. The machine said that .40 cents got her $42.9 mil.

Gingersnap
05-20-2010, 03:16 PM
No the best case scenario was what the machine said she won, $42.9 mil. That should be the starting number and any settlement should start with that. Does not matter what she put in. The machine said that .40 cents got her $42.9 mil.

Well, that's not the way the law has been decided on gambling machines. If an illiterate lot boy puts a sign up at a car dealership offering a new BMW Z4 for $460.00 instead of $46,000.00, they don't have to sell it at that price.

BSR
05-20-2010, 03:19 PM
If it clearly states on the machine her top prize can only be 251k, then that's all she should get.

NJCardFan
05-20-2010, 11:36 PM
If it clearly states on the machine her top prize can only be 251k, then that's all she should get.

Negative. If she'd have played the maximum(why people play penny slots for more than pure entertainment I'll never know), then she'd have a beef but she's only entitled to the max payout to her bet. This kind of thing happens in casinos all the time. My wife's father is a slot tech in AC and he tells us that big payouts that occur due to mechanical error. But if she wants to take this to court, fine. If I were the defense attorney, I'd win this case in 15 minutes. I'd pose this question: You get your tax bill in the mail and due to a software or some other error, instead of it being $2,500 it comes up as $250,000. Are you obligated to pay the $250,000? C'mon, I dare you to argue with me on this point.

Gingersnap
05-21-2010, 12:21 AM
Negative. If she'd have played the maximum(why people play penny slots for more than pure entertainment I'll never know), then she'd have a beef but she's only entitled to the max payout to her bet. This kind of thing happens in casinos all the time. My wife's father is a slot tech in AC and he tells us that big payouts that occur due to mechanical error. But if she wants to take this to court, fine. If I were the defense attorney, I'd win this case in 15 minutes. I'd pose this question: You get your tax bill in the mail and due to a software or some other error, instead of it being $2,500 it comes up as $250,000. Are you obligated to pay the $250,000? C'mon, I dare you to argue with me on this point.

Exactly. This has happened thousands of times. Your bank credits you with a million bucks due to an electronic error. Do you get a million bucks? Heck, no.

Getting comped for the shock is fair.

RobJohnson
05-21-2010, 01:55 PM
Take what money? Sue for what? Her best case scenario was $200 bucks.

I'd ask the casino to comp me and Mr. Snaps for a weekend to compensate for the momentary shock.

I agree. Or they could just void the play and give her the 40 cents back.

"Malfunctions void all play."

RobJohnson
05-21-2010, 02:10 PM
In Florida...........

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/flagler/2010/05/15/machine-malfunction-sours-players-lucky-win.html

PoliCon
05-21-2010, 06:42 PM
In Florida...........

http://www.news-journalonline.com/news/local/flagler/2010/05/15/machine-malfunction-sours-players-lucky-win.html

The story has a valid point. If the machine had been broken in their favor - would they have sought out all of the people who had plaid and not won while the machine was broken? It's like when the cable company bills you during a service outage unless you call them and bitch to high heaven. They KNOW that there is an outage - and should automatically credit everyone who is touched by the outage - but they don't. They bill you as if nothing happened at all.