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hampshirebrit
05-22-2010, 07:43 PM
.... because every country is the best at something.

http://www.informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/because-every-country-is-the-best-at-something/#

Some home truths to piss us all off ... :D

noonwitch
05-24-2010, 10:42 AM
They give the dutch the "Ecstasy" label instead of the "kiddie porn" title.



But we rule in the serial killers category! USA! USA! USA!

Wei Wu Wei
05-24-2010, 03:18 PM
Hong Kong is #1 in Economic Freedom

FlaGator
05-24-2010, 03:24 PM
North Korea is number one in soldiers. I would have thought that they were number one in starvation deaths.

Odysseus
05-24-2010, 05:50 PM
North Korea is number one in soldiers. I would have thought that they were number one in starvation deaths.

Zimbabwe gives them a run for their money.

I'm surprised that Nigeria didn't win for e-mail scams.

PoliCon
05-24-2010, 07:18 PM
The info offered is a bit skewed . . . .

Odysseus
05-25-2010, 09:46 AM
The info offered is a bit skewed . . . .

No kidding. The Cuban/Doctor stat must have come from Michael Moore. Libya's tanks are antiquated Soviet models and the Israel/Diamond Polishers thing is borderline racism. Besides, everyone knows that Moldova has the hottest women.

noonwitch
05-25-2010, 10:04 AM
No kidding. The Cuban/Doctor stat must have come from Michael Moore. Libya's tanks are antiquated Soviet models and the Israel/Diamond Polishers thing is borderline racism. Besides, everyone knows that Moldova has the hottest women.



They are cuban doctors, though, so it might be one of those stats that is true, but meaningless because it is a number that doesn't necessarity represent the quality of those doctors.

I always got the impression that doctors are a big thing in communist regimes. It's one of their ways to try to make it look like they are more successful than capitalist pig countries, right? It's also a way to medicalize dissent, make it into a psychiatric problem that needs treatment.

FlaGator
05-25-2010, 10:32 AM
Zimbabwe gives them a run for their money.

I'm surprised that Nigeria didn't win for e-mail scams.

Those are scams???? :eek::eek::eek:

You mean no one is going to put 25 million in my bank account :eek:

Odysseus
05-25-2010, 12:15 PM
Those are scams???? :eek::eek:

You mean no one is going to put 25 million in my bank account :eek:

I will. Just send me your routing number. :D

CueSi
05-25-2010, 01:29 PM
Japan #1 in Robots. . . Wow, that was a surprise.

~QC

Odysseus
05-25-2010, 04:44 PM
Japan #1 in Robots. . . Wow, that was a surprise.

~QC

Domo arigato, Mister Roboto... :D

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 04:55 PM
They are cuban doctors, though, so it might be one of those stats that is true, but meaningless because it is a number that doesn't necessarity represent the quality of those doctors.

I always got the impression that doctors are a big thing in communist regimes. It's one of their ways to try to make it look like they are more successful than capitalist pig countries, right? It's also a way to medicalize dissent, make it into a psychiatric problem that needs treatment.

Or maybe they just don't treat medical care like a commodity and prioritize it highly. Sure there are downsides (like in every system) but the upside here is plenty of doctors and plenty of treatment. This isn't 1982 anymore, we don't have to imagine everything that isn't capitalism is pure evil and underlying every good thing is a dark evil ulterior motive.

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 04:59 PM
Or maybe they just don't treat medical care like a commodity and prioritize it highly. Sure there are downsides (like in every system) but the upside here is plenty of doctors and plenty of treatment. This isn't 1982 anymore, we don't have to imagine everything that isn't capitalism is pure evil and underlying every good thing is a dark evil ulterior motive.

yes - doctors trained in cuba. :rolleyes: And who gets to decide what constitutes a doctor in cuba? why the cuban government. AND who is it who makes the claims about cuban doctors? why the self same cuban government. And who is it who claims superiority in treatment and access in the cuban medical system? Why the cuban government. :rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 05:22 PM
yes - doctors trained in cuba. :rolleyes: And who gets to decide what constitutes a doctor in cuba? why the cuban government. AND who is it who makes the claims about cuban doctors? why the self same cuban government. And who is it who claims superiority in treatment and access in the cuban medical system? Why the cuban government. :rolleyes:

Is it that hard to believe that someone else with a different system might do something well? Clearly they dont do everything well and clearly they have big problems but does that mean every aspect of life is hell there and any signs otherwise is just part of a big coverup?

They have more doctors and more treatment, by any measure that we have to look at. You may not agree with the measure, that's fine, you don't have to.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 05:23 PM
I saw rocky IV, I saw Red Dawn, I know that commies are evil and everything they do fails even if it looks good in the montage!

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 05:36 PM
Is it that hard to believe that someone else with a different system might do something well? Clearly they dont do everything well and clearly they have big problems but does that mean every aspect of life is hell there and any signs otherwise is just part of a big coverup?

They have more doctors and more treatment, by any measure that we have to look at. You may not agree with the measure, that's fine, you don't have to.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rich-noyes/2009/08/08/cnn-uses-pro-communist-american-tout-cuban-health-care

Take a look at the photographic evidence of the state of cuban healthcare and see if your propaganda stands up to reality. http://www.therealcuba.com/Page10.htm

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:27 PM
The treatment isn't great by our standards, they are a poor country, they drive 50 year old cars and the people live in near poverty. Still, they are able to more (albiet poor) care to more people than we can, and we are the wealtheist country in the world, a country where just 400 people had $1.25 Trillion in 2006 according to Forbes.

their health care may be crap, but they still prioritize and cover everyone. In a nation as wealthy as ours, what is stopping us from doing the same?

Rockntractor
05-25-2010, 11:29 PM
The treatment isn't great by our standards, they are a poor country, they drive 50 year old cars and the people live in near poverty. Still, they are able to more (albiet poor) care to more people than we can, and we are the wealtheist country in the world, a country where just 400 people had $1.25 Trillion in 2006 according to Forbes.

their health care may be crap, but they still prioritize and cover everyone. In a nation as wealthy as ours, what is stopping us from doing the same?
No one is turned away from hospitals and emergency care you little commie!:rolleyes:

djones520
05-25-2010, 11:29 PM
The treatment isn't great by our standards, they are a poor country, they drive 50 year old cars and the people live in near poverty. Still, they are able to more (albiet poor) care to more people than we can, and we are the wealtheist country in the world, a country where just 400 people had $1.25 Trillion in 2006 according to Forbes.

their health care may be crap, but they still prioritize and cover everyone. In a nation as wealthy as ours, what is stopping us from doing the same?

So what your saying is you'd rather all American's get crappy health care?

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 11:34 PM
So what your saying is you'd rather all American's get crappy health care?

He like most fucktards on the left equate health insurance with health care. :rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:36 PM
So what your saying is you'd rather all American's get crappy health care?

I'm saying that considering that Cuba is a poor country, and the astonishing amount of money we have (again, in 2006, just 400 people had $1.25 trillion), our health care wouldn't be crappy.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:37 PM
He like most fucktards on the left equate health insurance with health care. :rolleyes:

In this thread, I'm talking about health care, not health insurance.

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 11:38 PM
In this thread, I'm talking about health care, not health insurance.

all Americans have health care. They have as much as they want to have and for which they are willing to pay.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:38 PM
No one is turned away from hospitals and emergency care you little commie!:rolleyes:

I mean health care, not emergency care.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:41 PM
all Americans have health care.

No


They have as much as they want to have and are willing to pay for.


hurrrr yes they can have as much health care as they can afford.

health care shouldn't be treated as a commodity.

Rockntractor
05-25-2010, 11:41 PM
I mean health care, not emergency care.

We have free clinics in Tulsa. I go to a doctor that I pay cash too, you do live in the US don't you?

Rockntractor
05-25-2010, 11:43 PM
No




hurrrr yes they can have as much health care as they can afford.

health care shouldn't be treated as a commodity.

So doctors should be forced to perform their services for nothing? How about auto mechanics, should they work for free?

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 11:44 PM
No




hurrrr yes they can have as much health care as they can afford.

health care shouldn't be treated as a commodity.

health care is a consumable just like any other good or service. And FYI - there are PLENTY of low cost/no cost clinics out there. Please get educated on the topic before you spout off on it again.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:45 PM
So doctors should be forced to perform their services for nothing?

Of course not.


How about auto mechanics, should they work for free?

Of course not.

Rockntractor
05-25-2010, 11:46 PM
Of course not.



Of course not.

I think politicians should work or free!:rolleyes:

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 11:47 PM
So doctors should be forced to perform their services for nothing? How about auto mechanics, should they work for free?

no no - he wants they to get paid - very little of course - but what he really wants is for you and I to pay for his doctors visits and his Vaginoplasty.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:49 PM
health care is a consumable just like any other good or service.
And FYI - there are PLENTY of low cost/no cost clinics out there. Please get educated on the topic before you spout off on it again

Firefighters perform a service and get paid. Should firefighting be treated as a commodity? (giving low-cost options for people who demonstrate a lack of ability to afford it of course)

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:50 PM
I think politicians should work or free!:rolleyes:

Paid less, with stronger rules about campaign funding too.

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 11:51 PM
Firefighters perform a service and get paid. Should firefighting be treated as a commodity? (giving low-cost options for people who demonstrate a lack of ability to afford it of course)

are firefighters paid for out of federal tax dollars? or does the local community decide? BTW - my local community has a 100% VOLUNTEER fire service. They don't get paid. They do a civic duty voluntarily.

Rockntractor
05-25-2010, 11:52 PM
Firefighters perform a service and get paid. Should firefighting be treated as a commodity? (giving low-cost options for people who demonstrate a lack of ability to afford it of course)
we pay a yearly amount for fire service. if you don't pay and have a fire you pay per visit and it is much more expensive.

PoliCon
05-25-2010, 11:52 PM
Paid less, with stronger rules about campaign funding too.

it's always about control with you - and more of it. :rolleyes:

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:55 PM
are firefighters paid for out of federal tax dollars?

No but they are headed by a national fire administration.


or does the local community decide?

Why not privatize?


BTW - my local community has a 100% VOLUNTEER fire service. They don't get paid. They do a civic duty voluntarily.

There are volunteer fighterfighters, they are noble, like anyone who else who offers their services voluntarily.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:56 PM
it's always about control with you - and more of it. :rolleyes:

Depends on what's at stake.

Wei Wu Wei
05-25-2010, 11:57 PM
we pay a yearly amount for fire service. if you don't pay and have a fire you pay per visit and it is much more expensive.

Is there an option available for those who can't afford it?

Rockntractor
05-25-2010, 11:57 PM
Paid less, with stronger rules about campaign funding too.

Your freedom of speech should not be restricted, if you want a candidate elected you should if you so desire be able to spend every dime you own on a candidate. I wonder how much soros paid for his sock?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Obama2BSock2BMonkey2BDoll2Bcopy.jpg?t=1274846212

Wei Wu Wei
05-26-2010, 12:03 AM
Your freedom of speech should not be restricted, if you want a candidate elected you should if you so desire be able to spend every dime you own on a candidate. I wonder how much soros paid for his sock?
http://i686.photobucket.com/albums/vv230/upyourstruly/Obama2BSock2BMonkey2BDoll2Bcopy.jpg?t=1274846212

Spending money isn't speech and corporations are not Persons.

Rockntractor
05-26-2010, 12:13 AM
Spending money isn't speech and corporations are not Persons.

So people don't own stock in corporations or work for them. Were they just beamed here from other planets?

Rockntractor
05-26-2010, 12:15 AM
Spending money isn't speech and corporations are not Persons.

What is a campaign sign, a commercial. Whether you are doing the speaking or paying to have it done for you it is still speech!

Wei Wu Wei
05-26-2010, 12:16 AM
So people don't own stock in corporations or work for them. Were they just beamed here from other planets?

People interact with the symbolic structure known as a corporation, but a corporation itself, as a legal entity, is not a real person.

Wei Wu Wei
05-26-2010, 12:18 AM
What is a campaign sign, a commercial. Whether you are doing the speaking or paying to have it done for you it is still speech!

Commercials and signs should be dealt with differently, I mean direct campaign funding.

Zathras
05-26-2010, 12:24 AM
Japan #1 in Robots. . . Wow, that was a surprise.

~QC

They're also #1 in giant monster's fighting aliens while destroying major population centers. It's true, I've seen it on TV.

Odysseus
05-26-2010, 10:26 AM
Spending money isn't speech and corporations are not Persons.
By that logic, one can speak, but one cannot pay to have speech transmitted or reproduced, free speech only extends to the limits of a human voice. Thomas Paine would have run afoul of a law like that (although Paul Revere wouldn't have, unless the horse was considered a political platform). Money and the speech that it pays for are clearly intertwined, and limits on one automatically restricts the other. BTW, unions are not Persons either. Should the restrictions apply to them? PACs, lobbying firms and activist groups are almost exclusively corporate entities. Shall we exclude Emily's List, NARAL, NOW, the NRA, AIPAC and the like from advertising? For that matter, why should corporate media, such as the NY Times, Washington Post, NY Post, CNN, FOXNews or MSNBC get an exemption? What is the difference between an editorial in the Times that endorses a Democrat and an ad on the next page containing the same text, but purchased by a third party? For that matter, what is the distinction between the Citizens United movie about Hillary Clinton and Michael Moore's Fahrenheit 911? Should movie studios, which are also corporations, be barred from injecting political messages into their movies during the pre-election blackout period? I'm not just talking about overtly political movies like Lions for Lambs, In the Valley of Elah, Redacted or Rendition (those movies effectively censored themselves by sucking), but blockbusters that include snarky one-liners about Republicans or Bush. Should those be barred? How about when a celebrity makes a public comment during a concert? The corporations that sponsor the concert have to pay to get their message out, shouldn't the issues or candidates that are being endorsed have to pay the same rate for those endorsements?


Commercials and signs should be dealt with differently, I mean direct campaign funding.
What do you think direct campaign funding pays for? If I give a campaign contribution, that money will be spent on advertising, or it will free up money for it. If I buy and commercial or billboard, or direct a movie, I am contributing to the campaign in the same manner. The only difference is the flow of the money.

When you try to restrict political speech, you end up with absurdities at best, and tyranny at worst. Neither is to the benefit of a free republic that requires and informed and committed electorate.

Odysseus
05-26-2010, 10:28 AM
They're also #1 in giant monster's fighting aliens while destroying major population centers. It's true, I've seen it on TV.

That's why they have to have the robots. Mecha Kong rules!

Odysseus
05-26-2010, 10:53 AM
I'm saying that considering that Cuba is a poor country, and the astonishing amount of money we have (again, in 2006, just 400 people had $1.25 trillion), our health care wouldn't be crappy.

But Cuba wasn't a poor country before Castro. Castro impoverished it through mismanagement of what had been a vibrant and powerful economy. His criminal mismanagement has doomed Cubans to poverty. The reason that they drive 50-year-old cars is because Cuba's exports dropped dramatically after Castro began managing the Cuban economy. Cuba isn't backwards because it's poor, it's poor because it has adopted the worst economic program available and maintained it through tyrannical state-imposed terror.
Here are the facts (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/news/cuba/wwwh0013.htm):

An enduring myth is that 1950's Cuba was a socially and economically backward country whose development was jump-started by the Castro government. In fact, according to readily-available historical data, Cuba was a relatively advanced country in 1958, certainly by Latin American standards and, in some areas, by world standards. The data appear to show that Cuba has at best maintained what were already high levels of development in health and education, but at an extraordinary cost to the overall welfare of the Cuban people. These include access to "basics" such as adequate levels of food and electricity, but also access to consumer goods, the availability of which have increased significantly in other Latin American countries in recent decades.

It is true that Cuba's infant mortality rate is the best in Latin America today, but it also was the best in Latin America -- and the 13th lowest in the world -- in pre-Castro Cuba. Cuba also has improved the literacy of its people, but Cuba had an excellent educational system and impressive literacy rates in the 1950's.

On the other hand, many economic and social indicators have declined since the 1959 revolution. Pre-Castro Cuba ranked third in Latin America in per capita food consumption; today, it ranks last. Per capita consumption of cereals, tubers, and meat are today all below 1950's levels. The number of automobiles in Cuba has fallen since the 1950's -- the only country in Latin America for which this is the case. The number of telephone lines in Cuba also has been virtually frozen at 1950's levels. Cuba once ranked first in Latin America and fifth in the world in television sets per capita. Today, it barely ranks fourth in Latin America and is well back in the ranks globally.

Cuba's rate of development of electrical power since the 1950's ranks behind every other country in Latin America except Haiti. Cuba is the only country in the hemisphere for which rice production today is lower than it was four decades ago. By virtually any measure of macroeconomic stability, Cuba was in far better shape in 1958 than it is today. Finally, the Castro government shut down what was a remarkably vibrant media sector in the 1950's, when the relatively small country had 58 daily newspapers of differing political hues and ranked eighth in the world in number of radio stations.

And here's the truth about their medical system:


The health care system is often touted by many analysts as one of the Castro government's greatest achievements. What this analysis ignores is that the revolutionary government inherited an already-advanced health sector when it took power in 1959.

Cuba's infant mortality rate of 32 per 1,000 live births in 1957 was the lowest in Latin America and the 13th lowest in the world, according to UN data. Cuba ranked ahead of France, Belgium, West Germany, Israel, Japan, Austria, Italy, Spain, and Portugal, all of which would eventually pass Cuba in this indicator during the following decades.

Today, Cuba remains the most advanced country in the region in this measure, but its world ranking has fallen from 13th to 24th during the Castro era, according to UN Data. Also missing from the conventional analysis of Cuba's infant mortality rates is its staggering abortion rate -- 0.71 abortions per live birth in 1991, according to the latest UN data -- which, because of selective termination of "high-risk" pregnancies, yields lower numbers for infant mortality. Cuba's abortion rate is at least twice the rate for the other countries in the table below for which data are available.

In terms of physicians and dentists per capita, Cuba in 1957 ranked third in Latin America, behind only Uruguay and Argentina -- both of which were more advanced than the United States in this measure. Cuba's 128 physicians and dentists per 100,000 people in 1957 was the same as the Netherlands, and ahead of the United Kingdom (122 per 100,000 people) and Finland (96).

Unfortunately, the UN statistical yearbook no longer publishes these statistics, so more recent comparisons are not possible, but it is completely erroneous to characterize pre-Revolutionary Cuba as backward in terms of healthcare.
Stop making excuses for tyrants.

PoliCon
05-26-2010, 11:19 AM
Stop making excuses for tyrants.You forget - they LIKE tyrants. They want a tyranny here for us as well - as long as they are the ones in charge of it of course. :rolleyes:

Odysseus
05-26-2010, 03:14 PM
You forget - they LIKE tyrants. They want a tyranny here for us as well - as long as they are the ones in charge of it of course. :rolleyes:

Yes, but they won't admit it. It's important to remind them that they are sucking up to tyranny whenever they start mouthing off about the joys of totalitarian living.