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Rebel Yell
06-09-2010, 10:06 AM
JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and " Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .


Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.


Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".


Ready? Now pay attention...


Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.


Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.


Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
has $24,031.00.


Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
year.. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.


Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631 .00.


Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.


Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.


Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.


Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.


Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..


Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.


Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.


Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get
a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.


Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.


Do you get it, now?

NJCardFan
06-09-2010, 10:59 AM
Simple math? I hate to tear you down but you're simple math is flawed. For starters, you say Joe Legal makes $25 an hour and makes $1,000 a week. You then say that Joe pays 30% in taxes and after that his net is $31,231. Pretty shady math, no? I'm no math genius but 30% off of $1,000 is $300 meaning that his weekly take home is $700 which comes to $36,400 per year net. $31,231 from $52K means he's being taxed at a 40% rate.

2nd, if you think Jose, an illegal alien, is making $15 an hour, you're nuts.

3rd, you don't back one single thing you said here up with concrete facts. This is all conjecture on your part(I'm laying this all on you because since you didn't provide a link, I'm attributing this to you). You say Jose has no social security number yet collects food stamps and gets federal subsidies. Um, no. You can't get federal anything without a SS number. (http://ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html)

You don't need to make up fairy tales to argue against illegal immigration. Coming up with drivel like this only furthers the left's cause. Thank you for making us look like a bunch of idiots.

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2010, 11:04 AM
JOE LEGAL vs. JOSE ILLEGAL

You have two families: "Joe Legal" and " Jose Illegal".
Both families have two parents, two children, and live in California .

Right, Jose, clever.



Joe Legal works in construction, has a Social Security Number and makes $25.00 per hour with taxes deducted.


Jose Illegal also works in construction, has NO Social Security Number, and gets paid $15.00 cash "under the table".

Why even $15? With no social security number and no minimum wage, they can be paid much lower.



Ready? Now pay attention...


Joe Legal: $25.00 per hour x 40 hours = $1000.00 per week, or $52,000.00 per year. Now take 30% away for state and federal tax; Joe Legal now has
$31,231.00.


Jose Illegal: $15.00 per hour x 40 hours = $600.00 per week, or $31,200.0 0 per year. Jose Illegal pays no taxes. Jose Illegal now has
$31,200.00.

Mr Illegal sure gets paid a lot for a guy with no minimum wage and absolutely NO leverage for negotiating his labor costs.



Joe Legal pays medical and dental insurance with limited coverage for his family at $600.00 per month, or $7,200.00 per year. Joe Legal now
has $24,031.00.


Jose Illegal has full medical and dental coverage through the state and local clinics at a cost of $0.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

Ahahaha okay now you're getting absurd. If there was really sucha thing as full medical and dental coverage through the state for anyone regardless of their citizenship status, then Joe Legal is a stupidass for buying medical insurance. If Joe Legal had the smallest ounce of sense he would just go get that wonderful free full health care coverage.

Sounds like Joe Legal is just throwing his money away, literaly spending for less when he could get more for free.



Joe Legal makes too much money and is not eligible for food stamps or welfare. Joe Legal pays $500.00 per month for food, or $6,000.00 per
year.. Joe Legal now has $18,031.00.


Jose Illegal has no documented income and is eligible for food stamps and welfare. Jose Illegal still has $31,200.00.

If Joe Legal has a family and is the sole earner, he actually would be eligible.

If Joe Illegal has no documentation to prove his citizenship, forged or otherwise (which is why he's being paid less) then he cannot qualify for programs like welfare and food stamps which do require proof of legal status.



Joe Legal pays rent of $1,200.00 per month, or $14,400.00 per year. Joe Legal now has $9,631 .00.


Jose Illegal receives a $500.00 per month federal rent subsidy. Jose Illegal pays out that $500.00 per month, or $6,000.00 per year. Jose Illegal still has $ 31,200.00.

Except illegals cannot qualify for these sort of subsidies.



Joe Legal pays $200.00 per month, or $2,400.00 for insurance. Joe Legal now has $7,231.00.


Jose Illegal says, "We don't need no stinkin' insurance!" and still has $31,200.00.

Lol just like those brown people in those movies ahahahaha am i rite.





Joe Legal has to make his $7,231.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, etc.


Jose Illegal has to make his $31,200.00 stretch to pay utilities, gasoline, and what he sends out of the country every month..

Yep those illegals living the high life, you know how easy it is rolling aorund in cash like that.



Joe Legal now works overtime on Saturdays or gets a part time job after work.


Jose Illegal has nights and weekends off to enjoy with his family.

I thought his family was in another country?



Joe Legal's and Jose Illegal's children both attend the same school. Joe Legal pays for his children's lunches while Jose Illegal's children get
a government sponsored lunch. Jose Illegal's children have an after school ESL program. Joe Legal's children go home.

Legal's kids should join some extracurricular activities.



Joe Legal and Jose Illegal both enjoy the same police and fire services, but Joe paid for them and Jose did not pay.

State and federal sales taxes are also taxes.



Do you get it, now?

Yep so why don't you just quit your job, go agree to work under the table for less money, get federal aid, get that free health and dental care, and live smart and easy like Jose Illegal?

Only a fool wouldn't.

Unless this story is a full-of-shit story.

Rebel Yell
06-09-2010, 11:04 AM
Simple math? I hate to tear you down but you're simple math is flawed. For starters, you say Joe Legal makes $25 an hour and makes $1,000 a week. You then say that Joe pays 30% in taxes and after that his net is $31,231. Pretty shady math, no? I'm no math genius but 30% off of $1,000 is $300 meaning that his weekly take home is $700 which comes to $36,400 per year net. $31,231 from $52K means he's being taxed at a 40% rate.

2nd, if you think Jose, an illegal alien, is making $15 an hour, you're nuts.

3rd, you don't back one single thing you said here up with concrete facts. This is all conjecture on your part(I'm laying this all on you because since you didn't provide a link, I'm attributing this to you). You say Jose has no social security number yet collects food stamps and gets federal subsidies. Um, no. You can't get federal anything without a SS number. (http://ssa.gov/pubs/10101.html)

You don't need to make up fairy tales to argue against illegal immigration. Coming up with drivel like this only furthers the left's cause. Thank you for making us look like a bunch of idiots.

I got this in an email this morning. Actually, I didn't check the math. I did notice Jose was making more than I do. The jist of it is that Joe has to work his ass off and make more money to afford the things Jose is getting for free.

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2010, 11:08 AM
I got this in an email this morning. Actually, I didn't check the math. I did notice Jose was making more than I do. The jist of it is that Joe has to work his ass off and make more money to afford the things Jose is getting for free.

The jist of it is full of shit because every part of it is full of shit.

Got it in an email? :rolleyes:

Let me tell you about this great way to GET TOTALLY RIPPED IN 2 WEEKS and GROW YOUR PENIS BY 4 INCHES FOR $5!!!

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2010, 11:11 AM
You don't need to make up fairy tales to argue against illegal immigration. Coming up with drivel like this only furthers the left's cause. Thank you for making us look like a bunch of idiots.

He's right, there are real problems and real issues with illegal immigration, and when bullshit like this comes along, you make it too easy.

Sort of like what the Tea Party is doing to Republicans right now.

Rebel Yell
06-09-2010, 11:11 AM
The jist of it is full of shit because every part of it is full of shit.

Got it in an email? :rolleyes:

Let me tell you about this great way to GET TOTALLY RIPPED IN 2 WEEKS and GROW YOUR PENIS BY 4 INCHES FOR $5!!!

I don't get "YOUR PENIS BY 4 INCHES FOR $5!" ads. I can get real pussy, no need for porn.

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2010, 11:17 AM
That's not porn. and don't worry bro I'm not trying to threaten your sexuality so calm down.

Those are ads that appeal to gullible fools who believe anything they get in their email.

May I interest you in a Nigerian Prince who can put some money in your bank account?

Rebel Yell
06-09-2010, 11:23 AM
That's not porn. and don't worry bro I'm not trying to threaten your sexuality so calm down.

Those are ads that appeal to gullible fools who believe anything they get in their email.

May I interest you in a Nigerian Prince who can put some money in your bank account?

I usually check out my emails. I'm not the idiot you're implying I am. This one I didn't. I get lots of Emails that I just delete from people I know, because they are factually wrong. Snopes is my friend when all else fails. This one slipped through the crack. I apologize to everyone for that.

As far as "threatening my sexuality". Don't worry "bro", you can't do that. Everything doesn't fall back to my sexuality. That's the thing about us straight folks you should learn, everything deosn't fall back to my sexuality. Maybe you should be more comfortable with yours.

Wei Wu Wei
06-09-2010, 11:24 AM
I usually check out my emails. I'm not the idiot you're implying I am. This one I didn't. I get lots of Emails that I just delete from people I know, because they are factually wrong. Snopes is my friend when all else fails. This one slipped through the crack. I apologize to everyone for that.

As far as "threatening my sexuality". Don't worry "bro", you can't do that. Everything doesn't fall back to my sexuality. That's the thing about us straight folks you should learn, everything deosn't fall back to my sexuality. Maybe you should be more comfortable with yours.

Well we all make mistakes buddy. I can dig it.

PoliCon
06-09-2010, 02:37 PM
The jist of it is full of shit because every part of it is full of shit.

Got it in an email? :rolleyes:

Let me tell you about this great way to GET TOTALLY RIPPED IN 2 WEEKS and GROW YOUR PENIS BY 4 INCHES FOR $5!!!

You may need to buy a vowel . . . .:rolleyes:
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