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Elspeth
08-10-2008, 02:08 PM
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/breaking-barry-soetoros-birth-certificate-in-republican-hands/


*BREAKING* Barry Soetoro’s Birth Certificate in Republican Hands [UPDATE]
August 10, 2008 · 83 Comments

Two sources, including Larry Johnson of No Quarter (who’s been in Hawaii on business), have independently told me that Republicans have in their possession Barack Obama’s Hawaiian Birth Certificate.

The sources confirm that the theory first presented here — see Obama Hides Indonesian Identity, Fake Birth Certificate Explained — nearly 2 weeks ago, IS TRUE:

The name on the Birth Certificate is Barry Soetoro...
....or those who have not followed this story, Soetoro is the name on Obama’s Birth Certificate (BC) because a new BC was issued when he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his step-father. His original BC, which we assume was issued for Barack Hussein Obama at birth, would have been sealed at that time.

We assert that Barry Soetoro acquired Indonesian citizenship in approximately 1965-1966, and may still hold it. Barack Obama possibly changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama as an older child, teenager, or adult, possibly never did — but even if he did, this procedure would not result in a change to the BC.

The Birth Certificate published by Obama on his campaign website (still there, by the way) and distributed to the media was forged because the real BC on file is in the name Soetoro, an identity he apparently wanted to hide from the American people.

I am getting reports from different sources that Obama traveled to Pakistan in ‘81 with an Indonesian passport.....

Elspeth
08-10-2008, 02:11 PM
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/breaking-obama-hides-indonesian-identity-fake-birth-certificate-explained/


Theory of Birth Certificate Events:
1. Obama was born in Hawaii on Aug. 4, 1961, with the legal name Barack Hussein Obama II, and Barack H. Obama Sr. was identified as his legal father. [NOTE: an alternative theory, that Obama was born in Canada, is still being researched.]

2. Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro in Hawaii sometime around 1965-1966.

3. As part of the adoption procedure, pursuant to Hawaiian law, Obama’s original Birth Certificate (BC) was sealed, and a new Birth Certificate was issued with his new name, Barry Soetoro, and the name of his new father, Lolo Soetoro.

4. Mother and son joined Soetoro in Indonesia, where Barry Soetoro was registered in school as Lolo’s son, a Muslim, and a citizen of Indonesia.

5. After approximately 4 years, Barry Soetoro returned to Hawaii as a U.S. citizen to live with his grandparents, the Dunhams, and attend private school.

6. At some point before his 18th birthday, he most likely changed his legal name back to Barack Hussein Obama, but his Birth Certificate would not have been modified again unless there was another adoption (by the Dunhams, for example).

megimoo
08-10-2008, 03:34 PM
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/07/31/breaking-obama-hides-indonesian-identity-fake-birth-certificate-explained/Will Hillary's supporters 'pop' this at the DNC Dog and Pony show and will it make any difference to the faithfull Obama_Drones ?

Odysseus
08-10-2008, 05:25 PM
Will Hillary's supporters 'pop' this at the DNC Dog and Pony show and will it make any difference to the faithfull Obama_Drones ?

If Obama has dual citizenship, it's going to raise a lot of issues that will end up creating a constitutional crisis before the election, as it has serious implications regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. It will go to the courts, and it will be Hillary's supporters driving the train, not the Republicans.

Imagine how an African-American voter, looking forward to casting his/her vote for an African-American candiate for the first time in a general election, would react when that candidate is taken off of the ballot because of a technicality, or worse, is denied the nomination in a backroom deal between the Clihntons and the DNC. People who screamed bloody murder about disenfranchisement in Florida and still claim that the Bush presidency was illegitimate will now be asked to vote for the whitest woman in America after she has snatched the nomination from Obama. Look for McCain to draw about 75% of the black vote if that happens, and if he's really smart and does a series of spots in black-owned media about the Democratic Party's history of racism, he could do even better, and possibly even drive a permanent wedge between Democrats and African-American voters which could mean a realignment of the black vote for several election cycles. Thist will be the biggest boon to Republicans since Reconstruction.

OwlMBA
08-10-2008, 09:39 PM
Are there any reliable references for this story? I looked at the blog, but it only refers to other blogs as "proof". This is a pretty big claim, and I would like to see a reliable source validate it.

GenYConservative
08-12-2008, 04:02 AM
+1, this story seems a little "out there". We can nail this guy on his policies, why drag up irrelevant dirt that only intensifies the left to come to his defense against "evil right wing racism"?

Cold Warrior
08-12-2008, 07:07 AM
Now he's got Indonesian citizenship? Last week he had Kenyan citizenship? :confused: What's next -- Icelandic? :D

Molon Labe
08-12-2008, 07:10 AM
Are there any reliable references for this story? I looked at the blog, but it only refers to other blogs as "proof". This is a pretty big claim, and I would like to see a reliable source validate it.

ditto....I'm always a bit skeptical until things are cross referenced. But since the National enquirer got Edwards...anythings possible.

LibraryLady
08-12-2008, 07:20 AM
I think it's all a bunch of hooey but there's some guy named Techdude that has spent many hours "investigating".

I think it's based on Larry Johnson (former hero at DU) who is a rabid Hillary supporter.

There are some intriguing computer graphics but I imagine it's all faked.
Scroll down here (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html)

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/

Atlas Shrugs publisher Pamela Geller reports that the expert analyst, who goes by the screen name "Techdude", is "an active member of the Association of Certified Fraud Examiners, American College of Forensic Examiners, The International Society of Forensic Computer Examiners, International Information Systems Forensics Association -- the list goes on. He also a board certified as a forensic computer examiner, a certificated legal investigator, and a licensed private investigator. He has been performing computer-based forensic investigations since 1993 (although back then it did not even have a formal name yet) and he has performed countless investigations since then."
http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/12993.htm

Full-Auto
08-12-2008, 01:26 PM
Here's a forensics study on the forgery.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Molon Labe
08-13-2008, 03:58 PM
Here's a forensics study on the forgery.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/atlas-exclusive.html

Good analysis. That's pretty convincing. How much do you trust that site and the information?

CLibertarian
08-13-2008, 05:15 PM
If Obama has dual citizenship, it's going to raise a lot of issues that will end up creating a constitutional crisis before the election, as it has serious implications regarding his eligibility to be on the ballot. It will go to the courts, and it will be Hillary's supporters driving the train, not the Republicans.

Imagine how an African-American voter, looking forward to casting his/her vote for an African-American candiate for the first time in a general election, would react when that candidate is taken off of the ballot because of a technicality, or worse, is denied the nomination in a backroom deal between the Clihntons and the DNC. People who screamed bloody murder about disenfranchisement in Florida and still claim that the Bush presidency was illegitimate will now be asked to vote for the whitest woman in America after she has snatched the nomination from Obama. Look for McCain to draw about 75% of the black vote if that happens, and if he's really smart and does a series of spots in black-owned media about the Democratic Party's history of racism, he could do even better, and possibly even drive a permanent wedge between Democrats and African-American voters which could mean a realignment of the black vote for several election cycles. Thist will be the biggest boon to Republicans since Reconstruction.

To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.

Odysseus
08-13-2008, 07:07 PM
Now he's got Indonesian citizenship? Last week he had Kenyan citizenship? :confused: What's next -- Icelandic? :D
Nope. Irish. He's really Barry O'Bama, an Irish guy who had a deep tan and discovered that hot college girls went for the oppressed brother rap, but by the time he hit grad school, he couldn't give it up without losing the affirmative action grants and placement, so he's kept up the lie for decades. That's why his grandmother was a "typical white person." :D


To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.

My wife is a Brit, so our daughters have dual citizenship, although I'm told that they have to apply for it from Britain. Regardless, if Obama does have dual-citizenship, it's a campaign issue, at the very least, but it could involve some serious constitutional interpretation to keep him on the ballot if this blows up. Even if it doesn't disqualify him, it would cost him some votes.

Teetop
08-14-2008, 03:39 PM
SnObama Law Registration. (http://theobamafile.com/_images/ObamaLawRegistration.jpg)

Teetop
08-14-2008, 03:45 PM
SnObama's Idonesian School Registration. (http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/01u33pL9Ns06D/340x.jpg)

Teetop
08-14-2008, 04:12 PM
http://logo.cafepress.com/3/3476973.jpg

Name Change You Can Believe In. (http://www.cafepress.com/BarrySoetoro)

:D

Molon Labe
08-14-2008, 05:05 PM
I'm skeptical about the "conspiracy"

Andrew Sullivan's blog says this.... http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128025.html

More Fun With the Dumbest People on the Internet
David Weigel | August 11, 2008, 8:12am

It's been a while since I suited up and dumpster-dived in the Obama conspiracyverse. In my absence, I reckon that the average IQ there has dipped by 20-25 points. Take this latest revelation from Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson.
Republican operatives, with help from their own island backers, have unearthed critical information on Obama and are just biding their time until after the convention to drop it on him. Such as? Having a birth certificate that lists you as Barry Soetoro.

Incredible! Ann Dunham met her second husband, Lolo Soetoro in 1966, in Hawaii. "Barry" Obama was, at this time, five years old. The only reasonable explanation is that Dunham and Soetoro built (or purchased) a Genesis Device to clone a new son, using DNA from Barack Obama Sr. that Dunham had pulled off one of his combs.

Seriously. The "evidence" for Johnson's claim is the now-familiar murmurings of "sources" and GOP "operatives" (who appear in these things quicker than agents of H.Y.D.R.A.) and the fact—not reported in too many places, but never disputed—that when Lolo Soetoro became his adoptive father, the young Barack was enrolled in school as "Barack Soetoro."

But was there anything at all odd about that as it concerns a candidate for president? Bill Clinton was William Blythe III until he turned 14 and his mother married Roger Clinton. Gerald Ford was born Leslie Lynch King, Jr., and three years later his mother married Gerald R. Ford and unofficially re-named her son. The younger Ford didn't legally change his name until his was 22 years old. Is Larry Johnson or one of his pseudononymous fellow travellers going to retroactively challenge their legitimacy or veracity? Probably not. There's nothing odd or foreign about Ford's and Clinton's lives—there's no way to stoke racial bigotry and paranoia, which is the indisputable goal of this stuff.

Alas, this was only the second-stupidist event in Birth Certificatestan this week. The stupidest:
Forensics specialist Techdude, who has been chipping away at the Obama Birth Certificate mystery for some time, has confirmed that the name on the original Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) which was used to forge the document presented by Barack Obama as his valid Birth Certificate IS:

Maya Kassandra Soetoro.

Maya Soetoro is Barack Obama's half-sister. She was born in 1970. In Indonesia. Fun fact: Indonesia is not part of Hawaii.

Another fun fact: It's been 88 days since Larry Johnson claimed the existence of the "whitey" tape

AmPat
08-14-2008, 08:23 PM
Nope. Irish. He's really Barry O'Bama, an Irish guy who had a deep tan and discovered that hot college girls went for the oppressed brother rap, but by the time he hit grad school, he couldn't give it up without losing the affirmative action grants and placement, so he's kept up the lie for decades. That's why his grandmother was a "typical white person." :D



My wife is a Brit, so our daughters have dual citizenship, although I'm told that they have to apply for it from Britain. Regardless, if Obama does have dual-citizenship, it's a campaign issue, at the very least, but it could involve some serious constitutional interpretation to keep him on the ballot if this blows up. Even if it doesn't disqualify him, it would cost him some votes.

He's actuallu one of the Balck Irish. They are a rough crowd reportedly renown for their ability to shovel huge mounds of Horse s%@* without the odor clinging to them.;)

biccat
08-15-2008, 10:32 AM
I'm skeptical about the "conspiracy"

Andrew Sullivan's blog says this.... http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128025.html

More Fun With the Dumbest People on the Internet
David Weigel | August 11, 2008, 8:12am

It's been a while since I suited up and dumpster-dived in the Obama conspiracyverse. In my absence, I reckon that the average IQ there has dipped by 20-25 points. Take this latest revelation from Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson.

I like the "it's no big deal" argument. That's what the Left used during Dan Rather's time. The forgery wasn't a big deal, because the underlying story is what matters.

If you take the arguments at face value, then it means Obama's birth certificate is Hawaiian and he was named Barry Soetoro. No big deal, right?

Well what about the fact that someone, likely in the Obama camp, forged official documents?

Even assuming that it was a Kossite that forged the documents, unaffiliated with the Obama camp, the campaign published the documents on its website with actual knowledge of their falsity. Barack Obama has requested and received copies of birth certificates in the past, it is required for any number of state filings. He knew that his name was listed as Soetoro on the birth certificate, but let this pass anyway.

Barack Obama either knowingly commissioned the forging of offical documents or failed to correct a known forgery. Additionally, he attested to the validity of the documents and (likely, but no one has raised the issue) presented known forgeries to state and federal officials as valid official state documents.

The left is saying that these allegations of criminal activity are "no big deal." And it is sad that so many on the right are supporting them with ambivalence.

Cold Warrior
08-15-2008, 10:43 AM
To the best of my knowledge, the US doesn't recognize dual citizenship after the age of 18. There may be an exception for Israel. Now, the other countries may still recognize citizens (natural born or naturalized after application) of other countries to still be citizens of their country. Iran is like that. Even though my wife is now a US citizen, Iran still considers her to be an Iranian citizen while the US only recognizes her US citizenship. In other words, dual citizenship on the part of another country really isn't controlled by the individual. On this forum, there was a person that was born on Iran back during the time of the Shah. He was and is a US citizens per the way in which his parents ensured that to be the case. However, by Iranian lase, he is still an Iranian citizen.

FYI from the US State Department's website:


The concept of dual nationality (http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_1753.html) means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth.

A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship.

If I should marry my girlfriend, I intend to gain Romanian (and thereby EU) citizenship.

linda22003
08-15-2008, 11:02 AM
If I should marry my girlfriend, I intend to gain Romanian (and thereby EU) citizenship.


Consider the career implications before you do. Some companies (like mine), if they require US citizenship, will not accept dual citizenship.

Cold Warrior
08-15-2008, 11:05 AM
Consider the career implications before you do. Some companies (like mine), if they require US citizenship, will not accept dual citizenship.

This is not an issue with any of the large consulting firms. The company I work for now is Indian. We do very little government work, specializing in commerical clients who, even financial organizations, don't consider this a problem.

Odysseus
08-15-2008, 03:44 PM
If I should marry my girlfriend, I intend to gain Romanian (and thereby EU) citizenship.

Does that mean that you'll only work 35 hrs a week and have six weeks paid vacation every year?

Cold Warrior
08-15-2008, 05:34 PM
Does that mean that you'll only work 35 hrs a week and have six weeks paid vacation every year?

Probably not. However, the American/Dutch consulting firm I used to work for gave me 6 weeks paid vacation a year. The Indian consultant company I work for now only gives me four. :mad:

CLibertarian
08-16-2008, 10:12 AM
FYI from the US State Department's website:



If I should marry my girlfriend, I intend to gain Romanian (and thereby EU) citizenship.

For the most part, your quoted info validated my post. The declaration at age 18 applies to US citizenship of minors born to US citizens outside of the US. While it may not effect the citizenship status in the other country, it is required for a declaration of US citizenship. The best (fastest aqnd cheapest) way for that to occur is for the parents to go to the US Embassy/Consulate in that country and obtain a US birth certificate for their child.

I am compelled to offer up a fact per my own experience. While the USBCIS posts their applicable laws and policies, they will ignore them at will. We had to get Senator Lugar's office involved just to make them follow their own laws and policies wrt my wife's immigration status. Hey made a mistake on her green card that had to be corrected before we could apply for her US Citizenship. It took two years to clear that up and we had to pay the USBCIS to correct their mistake. However, they were still feeling the sting of Senator Lugar's office and her citizenship application went through quickly and with no artibitray hurdles that many commonly experience.

Why would you want EU citizenship?

CLibertarian
08-16-2008, 12:18 PM
Nope. Irish. He's really Barry O'Bama, an Irish guy who had a deep tan and discovered that hot college girls went for the oppressed brother rap, but by the time he hit grad school, he couldn't give it up without losing the affirmative action grants and placement, so he's kept up the lie for decades. That's why his grandmother was a "typical white person." :D



My wife is a Brit, so our daughters have dual citizenship, although I'm told that they have to apply for it from Britain. Regardless, if Obama does have dual-citizenship, it's a campaign issue, at the very least, but it could involve some serious constitutional interpretation to keep him on the ballot if this blows up. Even if it doesn't disqualify him, it would cost him some votes.

However, by age 18, they will have to declare their US Citizenship or they will not be considered to be a US citizen. At least, that's how it works for the children of US Military personnel in Germany.

I Agree about it still being an election issue.